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Yeah Revis over Kelly I don't agree with. The rest on your list I all consider no contest wins over the Bills option. Even Strahan over Thurman. Strahan set the single season sack record. Thurman never did anything like that. And I just can't give the nod to Tasker over an every down stud like Trey Smith. Tasker was more fun to watch, I will give him that. Peyton Manning over Bruce and OJ.........I can get with that logic in that what really made them great was their bulk numbers. Manning won a couple of SB's but he was only a good player in the NFL for one of those so it's largely a battle of 3 of the greatest stat accumulators in NFL history.

Yeah Moulds quit on the team in a game in Miami in 2005 because Lee Evans was getting the ball and not him. It was craziness and they ended up blowing a sizable lead with Moulds refusing to re-enter the game in the second half. That was the beginning of the end of his complicated career in Buffalo. He was a real screwball. Speaking of "balls" here is @eball throwing hate at ol' Mouldsy for demanding/forcing a trade out of Buffalo

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45597769/picking-best-nfl-draft-picks-ever-every-slot-common-era-1967-2024 Interesting article. The highlighted are my added notes to the ESPN story.........so here are the Bills and some Bills related one's with 3 McBeane related all-time picks mentioned right in round 1 and some actual McBeane greatest picks later in the draft: 7. Adrian Peterson, RB (2007) The last non-quarterback to win the MVP award, Peterson led the league in rushing yardage three times in his career: 2008, 2012 and 2015. "All Day" was my pick over Champ Bailey, but watch out for Josh Allen. He and Peterson have the same number of MVP trophies and Super Bowl appearances ... for now. (Allen will own this spot soon and probably deserves it already IMO). 10. Patrick Mahomes, QB (2017) Our first active player is Mahomes, who somehow easily clears Rod Woodson, Terrell Suggs and Marcus Allen despite being maybe halfway through his career. A two-time MVP, three-time Super Bowl champ and three-time Super Bowl MVP, Mahomes will likely build a compelling argument for being the greatest quarterback ever by the time his career is done. (McDermott dealt this pick to KC and ended up with Tre White and the 1st round pick they then traded up from to select Tremaine Edmunds) 22. Justin Jefferson, WR (2020) Thank goodness there were no Hall of Famers to snub with the 22nd pick, making Jefferson an even easier selection for me. Never forget that Jefferson holds the record for most receiving yards through two seasons of a player's career (3,016) -- as well as through three seasons (4,825), four seasons (5,899) and five seasons (7,432). Guess which record he'll hold at the end of this year? (acquired pick as part of the exchange with McBeane for Stefon Diggs) 42. Rob Gronkowski, TE (2010) Four Super Bowl rings. Four first-team All-Pro appearances. A uniquely dominant prime as a pass-catching tight end with elite blocking ability. (The Buddy Nix Bills selected the Troupacabra instead of the local product) 70. Fred Warner, LB (2018) Easy pick here, as Warner will go down as the best linebacker of this decade and one of the best linebackers ever. (unfortunate that Warner ended up being so much better than Edmunds and the Bills traded a second rounder to move UP to get Edmunds) 73. Jason Taylor, DE (1997) Another Hall of Famer was also selected at pick No. 73 in Bears DT Steve McMichael, but it's tough to hold a candle to Taylor. A winner of Defensive Player of the Year (2006) and Walter Payton Man of the Year (2007), Taylor had both a dominant prime and a long stretch of viable play. (This one hurt me to my core during that 1997 draft......the Bills picked Marcellus Wiley over him. Wiley was a nice player but Taylor was the HR pass rushing OLB they desperately needed for that defense. It was a frustrating stretch in the 1990's where John Butler did not take advantage of the abundance of quality 2nd and 3rd round pass rushers available to 3-4 teams. This one hurt double because Taylor became a Bills killer.) 75. Russell Wilson, QB (2012) Tough break for OT Terron Armstead, who is one of the best third-round picks ever but isn't better than this Super Bowl-winning, Walter Payton Man of the Year-winning quarterback. (Russ is kind of a joke now but he was one of the best in the league for a long time. Buddy Nix famously traded up to take the awful TJ Graham at 69 thinking he could get Wilson in the 4th round. What an a$$clown of a strategist he was. https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2020/07/22/buffalo-bills-david-lee-claims-wanted-draft-russell-wilson-dak-prescott/79402255007/) 86. Andre Reed, WR (1985) Another odd density of Hall of Famers, as pick No. 86 carries Reed, Rams OT Jackie Slater and Saints kicker Morten Andersen. Reed is an easy selection for his seven straight Pro Bowls and 16-year NFL career, 15 of which were in Buffalo. Don't worry -- my kicker picks come later. (Finally the Bills have a winner. The best 86th overall ever. I gotta agree. Jackie Slater is tough to beat though he was also great). 111. Terrence McGee, CB (2003). (A win for team Donahoe. We are at the stage of the draft now where there are some not-great all-timers mixed in with HoF types). 134. Kyle Williams, DT (2006) (Levy/Modrak struck gold with the pick traded to Houston for Eric Moulds). 148. Khalil Shakir, WR (2022) ( Khalil may never live up to the @Alphadawg7 hype but what he's done is good enough to be the best 148 ever. McBeane's 1st official win but Allen will eventually be the best #7 overall.) 171. Gary Anderson, K (1982) (I guess this win for Buffalo would be Norm Pollam and the rest of the strong but largely forgotten group of scouts that Chuck Knox brought to Buffalo from his Rams days. Greatest kicker pick ever according to article and foreshadowed in the Andre Reed pick write up. This one sticks hard in the craw of one @BUFFALOBART who still holds Anderson in great disdain for intentionally failing his way off of the Bills roster) 185. Christian Benford, CB (2022) ( That's 2 all-timer day 3 draft picks for McBeane. Fingers crossed his brains aren't scrambled from those concussions and can have a long career.) 253. Roland Hooks, RB (1975) (The pickings were slim at 253 apparently. Certainly the most unlikely Bill to find on this list.) 255. Don Majkowski, QB (1987) (The Buffalo born Magic Man looked like the real deal there for a brief time.)

Yep. DP LePew's no-longer-big-league ability and the joyless demeanor he brings with it runs contrary to the competitive, energized environment you want in the clubhouse during a marathon season. He doesn't deserve a roster spot based on ability and everyone knows it. From the top down. And that renders the competition aspect a sham. Even if it's largely an illusion, you have to make it seem like playing time is based on merit. He's been washed for 3 years now. Last year they literally fake-IR'd him in September because they knew they had to get their competitive edge back for the playoffs and it was hard to do with a worn out free loader on board. Every time they bring him back from the IL in May it's like replacing the gatorade with melatonin.

Unfortunately his actual job is playing who Cashman wants him to play. That's really why Girardi got fired......he had too many opinions on the players he was given(most notably on Hary Snatchez......who, as it turns out, just sucked and wasn't worth pandering to). Hal and Cashman have proven that they don't care about these annual Buffoone swoone's. I would love to see what a guy like Bruce Bochy or Dusty Baker or Terry Francona could do with the Yankees job. Instead, if they ever cave to the pressure during one of these swoone's it will lead to Rojas getting elevated from being a terrible 3rd base coach back to a major league manager. He may be Felipe Alou's son but once you get 9-10 shots in maybe they just start landing farther from the tree. If they fire Buffoone it will be for another yes man.

I don't know if he's can't miss yet but the furor became justifiable when he started hitting 98 on the gun. The Schlitt show will probably get an early debut date now with the Schmidt show going to the IL with forearm stiffness.

I disagree with much of what you said here. I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity. But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016. @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board. And I was not in on Watson at all. @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO. But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point. So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating. And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference, whether he viewed them as a rival or not. The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd. It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision. And no, Beane was not at his best in his first year. The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst. $100M for next to nothing. It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today. It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league. Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months. The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO. But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight? Hell yes. I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best. His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.

The biggest crime was trading the pick to an AFC rival when they themselves needed a QB. Utter stupidity. The Chiefs were a team they were literally battling with for a final playoff spot for the Marrone/Rex era. Getting Josh Allen in the next draft is probably the closest thing US pro sports has seen in prior recent memory to the Dallas Mavericks Nico Harrison lucking out and getting Cooper Flagg after stupidly trading away Luka Doncic. It was a huge save and though it was lucky to get the most talented QB at #7 overall........a guy who would have gone #1 overall in a lot of prior drafts on tools alone........Beane deserves credit for doing the common sense thing and actually going all-in on a QB prospect. By that I mean selecting a QB with their first #1 pick in the draft or trading up from that pick to do so. Something, astonishingly, that the Ralph Wilson era Bills never did. But because they traded Mahomes to the Chiefs they created their biggest road block to ever reaching a SB with Allen. It's certainly cost them 2-4 trips already. Just a brutal reminder of how important first steps can sometimes be.

No. Totally incorrect. The capital gained in the Mahomes-pick trade yielded Tre White and the Chiefs 2018 1st rounder that they then traded UP from to select Tremaine Edmunds. That cost an additional second rounder. So they didn't even get Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds for Mahomes........let alone Allen. None of the Mahomes trade capital was used to get Allen.

The 2017 Bills were the worst point differential AFC team to make the playoffs in almost 30 years. His decisions to trade Dareus and bench Tyrod blew up in his face big time. They needed some incredible luck to back-in at 9-7. That was just a fluke. But you need a little luck when you are a nobody HC trying to turn around a team with a terrible losing culture. They got it. Since then he's proven he's organized and his process works if you have a great QB. That should net him a top 10 ranking.

Tankathon has them drafting 6th in first mock! https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Yeah Pittsburgh getting a little better and Miami getting a little worse is certainly good for Buffalo. As always, the Bills likely need to avoid the typical McDermott mid-season swoon to earn home field and the bye for the first time.........but if the Chiefs and Ravens can go 4-2 in division that could be the difference.

Only circumstantial evidence was needed against OJ and the Patriots for court and punishment. By your standard, no "actual" proof just a lot of circumstantial evidence. You are just being obstinate pretending court and a lost draft pick means anything more. What I didn't know at the time when I presumed the NFL would be asked to look into this.....and what you conveniently ignore......is that the spring 2017 Panthers were covering up one of the biggest ownership scandals in league history. Jerry Richardson would be forced by the league to put the team up for sale later that same year when the scandal got too big to contain. They weren't in any position that May/June to be demanding an investigation of their former DFO Brandon Beane even if they felt aggrieved.

1) In the same way that the evidence of any Patriots cheating or the murders OJ was accused of was just circumstantial. We don't know. 2) The common knowledge part was that the Panthers believed the Bills had accessed their draft information.........don't conflate that with any other part of the argument. 3) Whether you had a point other than to argue......we don't know. It's your word against evidence that suggests otherwise. 4) As for maligning Beane's character..........he's a high ranking executive executive in a bloodsport renowned for it's greed........the NFL generates $20B+ annually......lying and manipulating is part of his job. Even telling fans that your organization doesn't have the financial ability to make any big moves and then signing a Von Miller to a $20M aav deal was lying and manipulating. Expecting him to be different behind closed doors or with people he's negotiating with would be stupid.

We've actually probably had a few but they likely got deleted. There was a period of time when some people thought that posting a "f#ck this place, I'm outta' here" farewell rant on a message board had gravity and didn't just make them look like a hilarious quitter. Had to be an insincere thank you or two in there at some point.

"We all" was mostly from the Carolina end. When your team is the one stealing information it's considerably less of an issue from your perspective. See Bills fans fixation on perceived Belichick-era Pats cheating against Buffalo. Anything Buffalo Bills complaint related was a non-issue to NE fans for almost 20 years let alone the period where an employee of theirs was believed to have recorded other teams signals. We technically never had any proof whatsoever that the Patriots used any information they stole against the Bills. So I guess they didn't. Right? There are always going to be those who will disbelieve the obvious despite a mountain of circumstantial evidence. You don't think McDermott used Carolina draft intel that was shared with him and you believe that Beane was totally unaware that he would be the Bills GM for those 4 months. That's yours to believe. Personally, if I thought I might be getting the job with my hometown team to work with people I know I would probably hold out for that job rather than join a team that just executed about 40(?) free agent acquisitions/draft picks/UDFA's/futures signings etc.. that I didn't have any input on in the previous 4+ months. The first season on my record I had little to even do with the roster construction. What's not to like about that? But if the glove doesn't fit.....Chans must acquit.

Radim. Gradim. Elevadim. Tradim.

If you don't believe what was at the time common knowledge then feel free to research it. Those in their organization felt the Bills had inside information to know when to trade in front of them. DURING the draft. It was a larger point of discussion in Carolina. To quote @HappyDays at the time: "Things have really changed since McDermott took over. The guys we traded up for didn't visit with us here. They aren't from schools we usually draft from. They supposedly were on Carolina's board and their assistant GM is supposedly coming here. Sounds to me like we threw out the scouting reports our team had and went with what Beane and McDermott knew from their time in Carolina. This is absolutely nuts that this is happening." It was very un-Billsy to be the pointed end of screwing.

And the other 2 were one person.

Beane telling PFF the Panthers weren't going to pay for content because he didn't like a "free agency player grade" does NOT track well with the notion that teams don't place any value on "player grades". It's always been a fools argument that modern GM's wouldn't find some value in that data. If society didn't value information just because there was "subjectivity and assumed knowledge" baked into the results then why would we value any profession that "practices"?

I didn't know anything about it until after the Panthers complained about it.........so no I didn't create the accusation. What do you suppose the consequence would be for, say, a leaked text or email of the Panthers draft board sent by Beane to McDermott prior to the draft? There is your answer on why we don't have proof and likely never will. And why wouldn't the Panthers really push the issue? Well given what we now know about Jerry Richardson's organization it's very likely that McBeane knew enough that the Panthers didn't have an appetite to get in a pissing match with them over a lil' draft intel that might have cost them a terrible WR and what looked like a good young guard prospect.

I never said Beane had taken over as Panthers GM at that time. You are misconstruing what Monson said in not clarifying that Beane was not the actual GM at the time of the Kalil signing. Hurney succeeded Gettleman. My timeline was wrong on WHEN Hurney took over and DG's cancer diagnosis and that having anything to do with his departure as GM though, that is correct. What Beane's responsibilities were was is what I knew and cared about knowing. And I had gotten that info from someone I've known for most of my life who was in a similar football executive role who knew Beane in Carolina. Beane was a very important person in the Panthers front office at the time because Gettleman didn't want to handle the non-football GM responsibilities. Those duties were becoming an increasingly larger part of the workload. Very similar to the Whaley situation in Buffalo.......except the Panthers owner was a true football man.......a literal former player who had been there at the teams inception. Beane was a great fit because the Pegula's were lost on how to run an NFL team with a road scout as GM. They had literally lived in Orchard Park during the 90's SB's and yet the first time they even attended a Bills game was AFTER they bought the team. To say they were NFL novices is an understatement and their early tenure was their first real embarrassment as sport owners. They were tanking to get superstars in hockey and that was a very popular approach so they hadn't yet earned the ire they now own on the hockey end. Their embarrassment and uncertainty on the football side created the environment for McBeane to take full control of the Bills.

It was common knowledge here at the time that the Panthers believed that. Do you really not recall that? The whole thing caught Bills fans and the Buffalo media by surprise. It wasn't a Buffalo generated narrative but pretty damn obvious, pretty damn quick in hindsight. You gotta' remember the context here was the Bills being Billsy. The idea that they would keep Whaley around for a year or two even if he didn't seem to mesh with McDermott was entirely plausible. That had been the case with the two prior HC's Whaley worked with. The sham McBeane pulled off was actually very clever. Get the intel you want from the scouts you trust. That was the only way they get the finished board and evaluations. Like I said.........the flaw was McD allowing KC to trade up for a QB in your spot. It's likely blocked them from reaching 2-4 SB's.

Yeah @GunnerBill answered that. The Panthers realized after the draft that the Bills had their draft board and that McDermott was using it like his own. Which meant he had a good idea when he needed to move up ahead of them to get those players for he and Beane's operation.

Is that a question? If not, I agree with the sentiment. The league has a process for interviews. Whaley had to be terminated before formal interviews could commence. Hence the timing being AFTER Whaley was fired........following the draft. It was an exhaustive 4 man interview search. The minority candidate to satisfy the RR (Trey Brown). Beane.........who had the job locked up. And the two personnel guys they hoped they could get to head up scouting for Beane......... pro personnel(Brian Gaine) and college scouting(Brian Gutekunst). They got Gaine on the dotted line a week after Beane got the job. Gutekunst was part of that Green Bay college scouting department which picked a defensive player in round 1 like 13 out of 14 drafts or something like that.........so it's easy to see the attraction there.