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You could argue that he did him a solid firing him in Philly because he EVENTUALLY.......many years later........got a HC job. The Chiefs were pretty confident they were going to get a stud QB and Reid knew that McD would have egg on his face if that was the case............perhaps the moral of the story is beware of people who have a history of using you for self preservation. It's business........McD was trying to run the draft without the input of the team's GM or scouts...........perhaps he should have trusted his mentors evaluation and picked one of the QB's they were obviously moving up for.

I don't really know if the splits of players taken in round one from high dollar positional value......QB/ElitePassRush/WR1/CB1/LT......vs.lower dollar positional value.......RB/S/DT/OG/RT/MLB/BaseDE/OffBallOLB even have a different success rate in terms of getting their option picked up.

Ehh..........that's just math.........Mistortune + Bills = "understandable" It's not a compelling story to bash the afterthought Bills.............nothing to gain except death threats from Bills mafia. Now if Belichick had traded that pick?..........ooooh boy the media would be loving the opportunity to take him down a peg or ten. You gotta' admit though...........there is humor in the fact that McD's mentor has done the two most harmful things to happen to him professionally, though.

Yeah the CB position is the one that has increased the most in value over the last decade. It was still a bit sketchy using early first round picks on CB around the time of Leodis............and frankly Leodis would probably be a mid-round pick with the evaluation of today. Very athletic but lacking in so many other areas. The talent at the CB position has risen because that's where the rules changes steered the need and now it's where the money is. And consistent money.........you don't have to be one of the top 5 CB in the league to get paid like it anymore. Lotta' guys that would have been RB's or WR's back in the day have taken their talent to CB.

In terms of value........first round picks are the most overrated method of acquiring talent...........but mainly because the expectations are so high. Everyone assumes they will turn to solid gold before they are used but then they only hit about 50% of the time(the number getting their 5th year option picked up) and in many cases even the hits really fail to move the needle much for the franchise as a whole because the aim was too low. That said it's the lottery ticket with the best odds to get franchise changing talent at a great price.............so always use them on guys with that kind of ceiling. Big money positions that you will otherwise struggle to fill in UFA.

McD got played like a fiddle. First the guy ***** fired him as DC in Philly and then he turns around steals the NFL's most valuable QB from him. With friends like that.......

The 2017 Bills made the playoffs with just 2 players the organization had selected in round 1............and they weren't seasoned performers like Fisher and Mahomes..........they were a struggling second year DL in Shaq Lawson and a rookie in Tre White.

What's frustrating as a fan of the organization is A. The repetition of the same fundamental errors over and over B. The excuse of said errors because "it's not fair to a new regime" Ultimately having an organizational memory and learning from it shouldn't be a lot to ask..........but the buck stops at the ownership level. What McDermott did in clearing his roster of high leverage players from previous regimes......then causing high draft picks to be used to replace them.......was nothing new to this franchise. It's been happening over and over since Donahoe took over. Nor was NOT using their original first pick in round 1(or trading up from it) on a QB............that hadn't been done for 58 prior years.

Yeah Campbell is coming off a tremendous year of putting pressure on the QB and he's a very high character player. I could see Calais Campbell and Gerald McCoy ending up being the replacements for Shaq and Phillips. Rentals.........but also ideal mentors for guys like Bam Johnson and Ed Oliver.

They can create enough space to tag him simply by cutting Marcell Dareus...........which they are going to do anyway............very simple. Ngakoue at the very least has great trade value..........late first or early second round maybe? So it would be crazy stupid for them to not at least apply the tag and work on a trade.......so I am basically considering him a non-entity in this free agent market. AJ Green likely gets tagged too but with it being a great WR class and Green being older and having built up some capital with the organization maybe they give him the chance to get to UFA.

I think "rugby" came from "rub guy" and should be changed to the more appropriate "grinder".

Yeah soon after he retired I saw a show about his post basketball life and that was really the first I'd heard about an athlete using a helicopter to commute from home to work EVERY day.

Wrong by reason of false premise. The Bills hired McDermott in mid-January.........standard procedure. They weren't taking a QB because they were trying to be clever by not announcing Beane so they could have access to Carolina's scouting info.......which naturally did not include much on QB's because the Panthers had a QB a year removed from being league MVP. It was an ill fated plan...........much like hiring Rick Dennison as OC and changing a successful offense and deciding that big, lumbering WR's were the wave of the future. The Bills #1 need by a long shot was a QB..........MUCH moreso than Kansas City.......everyone knew it........they didn't even have otherwise specific crying needs going into that draft. Bottom line is that it's standard procedure to hire a GM and HC in the same offseason and address QB in the draft right away........you don't punt on big decisions just because you only had 4 months to prepare. McD and The Pegs thought they were being clever by doing it differently and they missed out on two franchise QB's as a result. It's a reason......not a good excuse.........it was all about choices made and the fact that they were very unorthodox AND wrong makes them look exceptionally dumb.

I'd call it conservative........go back and watch his highlights from 2018 when he put up 50 TD passes..........very little classic west coast drop back where the ball comes out on time and lots of egregiously poor mechanics like crossed feet on drops. Obviously an incredible amount of his plays come outside of the pocket and bootlegs are part of the traditional WCO but the way operates outside of the pocket his feet and shoulders can be anywhere at release..........which definitely isn't the way Joe Montana did it. @dave mcbride linked a story above about the connection between QB's and shortstop play.....................it might be time to accept the fact that there are going to be players out there for whom classic mechanics aren't necessary...........in the same way that we have come to accept that there are players like Steph Curry and James Harden who defied convention as shooters in basketball and now we aren't even surprised to see players who excel despite what are perceived as traditionally unsound technique.

Jefferson's dad is the "just give it to them" receiver from that 1998 atrocity in New England.

Americans have always loved their hand-eye coordination sports............and baseball is an amazing hand-eye building game. From a business perspective every team basically plays every day.......162 games over 6 months.........so it's great for gambling which we also really love to do. Now that we know football is wrecking brains it's going to be up to other sports like baseball and basketball to provide the base athleticism and coordination because people just aren't going to allow their kids to play that much live football. And fortunately there is a total glut of baseball talent blocked from reaching the major leagues.........and the minor league's pay about as well as slinging burgers........... which is pushing modest baseball prospects like Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes to much surer things like football where they become superstars. And youth baseball enrollment is growing a ton. 10 years from now every NFL team might have a Murray/Wilson/Mahomes and even relatively impressive athletes like Allen is right now might seem like dinosaurs.

I remember you being really down on his footwork..............but I'd say about 3/4 of his throws are either off platform entirely or done with technically incorrect footwork/mechanics. He's a shortstop playing QB. I know baseball isn't really a thing in the UK but Mahomes is a great shortstop playing QB...........Josh Allen is a pitcher/right fielder playing QB.......Allen really needs his mechanics tight to create accuracy, Mahomes does not.

Yeah Patterson looked and played like Shenault and got pushed up the board for the same reasons. Explosive athlete but had shown about as little NFL WR type projection as Shenault............ but it was like "well at least he can be a great return guy or gadget guy if he doesn't develop". Those traits actually add little value. A gadget/KOR/PR is like a 6th round pick. But at least Patterson came from a relatively average WR class that was exceptionally short on deep speed. To some extent the reach was understandable. Hopkins/Woods/Keenan Allen/Stills..........that was pretty much everybody in that draft. This draft is so deep in everything at WR it would be a crime to use a first round pick on a guy like Shenault IMO.

Exactly. As to what the Bills had to offer I would suggest that Mahomes could have done worse than Sammy Watkins, LeSean McCoy and Charles Clay as a rookie in 2017. 10 starters from the 2016 offense were brought to camp in 2017.........a group that averaged 26 ppg and lead the NFL in rushing thru 16 weeks. So with your "crap OL and no run game" talk you are clearly conflating what the Bills did with Josh Allen in 2018 with what they could have done with Mahomes in 2017. Remember the quest for Josh Allen relieved the Bills of their starting LT and WR1 and they made choices in free agency of 2018 that might have been quite different if they had their franchise QB in place already going into year 2.

1) That description was entirely accurate for that take. 2) The 2017 Chiefs and Ravens were 6th and 9th in the NFL in scoring respectively.........basically 1 ppg apart.......why don't we credit Lamar Jackson for lucking out by getting with a good offensive team? In year 2 both Mahomes and Jackson raised their teams offensive output by 10 points per game.............that kinda' jump isn't about the pre-existing system and both offenses had been changed significantly to accommodate the two young QB's. But as to the "it couldn't happen in Buffalo" argument..........there is really no basis for it.......the 2016 Bills offense outscored the Chiefs and lead the NFL in big plays(over 100 plays of 20+ yards) for the second consecutive season. 3) I will have to defer to your expertise on footwork because I see most of the same stuff I saw at Texas Tech.

Mahomes could have had a MUCH less productive 2018 and STILL looked "all-world"............so don't pat yourself on the back too much for being a voice of reason. It's a league where there is a guy in the NFC throwing at a 74% completion rate over the last 3 years and still Mahomes is in a class by himself in terms of impact on a team and ability to bring a team back from a deficit etc.. For all the talk about what Mahomes wouldn't have done here............there is only one QB in the NFL who could have taken that flawed Chiefs team to a Super Bowl.

Yeah I agree about trying to get players in that 35-80 range this year. I suspect that picking at #22 is going to feel like leaving some value on the table because there should be some guys left at 35 that are just as good as at 22. Everyone will know that.........but it just takes one need-driven team to make a deal. Likewise mid-2nd to mid-3rd looks like a lot of the same level talent. I was surprised at how many good players chose to stay in school and think a lot of the value at some key positions is going to drop off considerably late in round 3. I hope they hit all their needs in UFA.......including a RB........... so they go into the draft with a clear head. But either way they should come out of this draft with a pretty high upside RB.

Also interesting that Kemp took the Bills to 3 straight AFL title games............and then Lamonica went to the next 4 straight. Easy to see why that really burned Bills fans of the era. It was still very frequently discussed in the stands at games in the late 80's.

Speaking of making no sense.

Yeah IMO QB/passrush/WR1/CB1/LT are really the only positions of consideration in round 1 and 2. That's too rigid in the opinion of some people but having a system in place helps prevent impulse and need driven picks. The Bills have been plagued by such picks in round 2 for decades.