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I think the MAIN thing that holds Edmunds back is play making. He lacks consistency sure, but he just doesn't make big plays. For instance.......last year Devin Bush had 2 interceptions and 4 fumble recoveries for Pittsburgh. That's 6 times he flipped the field for his team. Turnover differential being arguably the most important stat in the game.........the fact that Edmunds has no nose for the ball playing off-ball greatly detracts from his game. I'd really like to see your list. You may have Hightower and Bush off this year because they are opted out/injured but the actual overall season that Edmunds himself has put together has been largely disappointing. I think it would be a surprise to people to see where Edmunds stacks up in the NFL. The perception is that he is a top 5 or 6 and he's not even close. You didn't even mention Roquan Smith and he's leading the NFL in solo tackles and has 4 sacks. Edmunds is closer to the middle of the top 32 ILB's than the top.

So I guess you are saying that the perception that he is such a good OC could just be because he has top offensive talent?(because he was a bad OC with bad talent) You might have a point. The Bills have a top 5 QB and receiving corps and a good, expensive offensive line. But they are only 10th in yardage and 9th in scoring and tied for 11th most giveaways. In Roman's one full year in Buffalo(2015) they finished 12th in yardage and 10th in scoring and 20th most giveaways. We are all pleased with the improvement but they aren't setting the league ablaze offensively just yet.........and there is reason to wonder if Daboll's loss would be that important. Maybe Daboll is just another Charlie Weiss and his replacement would be an upgrade.

Yeah Tomlin is simply trying to light a fire under his players by saying they got manhandled. That was hardly a slobber-knocker performance by the Bills. The biggest weakness of the Bills defense is tackling and Sunday night was hardly a revelation in that regard.

It will be a buyers market but "most" teams are not going to be in cap trouble. Only 13 of the 32 teams project to have less than $10M in cap space at this point including the Bills who are at about $4M.

The Bills don't need more women in their coverage of the team...........they just need more talent regardless of gender. They have guys like Tasker and Bulldog slurping and stuttering relentlessly........and providing little insight.......on the mic during the day time shows at their flagship station and Maddy is flat out inaudible. Maddy's mom is a play-by-play person with a huge voice so she got a leg up in the biz but not sure how far she can go with the faint pipes.

If you mean that Daboll usually gets fired immediately after one season as an NFL OC.......yes different than Roman. If he were the Bills original OC choice in 2017.......with that garbage talent at WR and Tyrod throwing to them..........he'd have been 0-4 at NFL OC jobs. He landed in a better spot than previous jobs because of the built in excuse of a rookie QB and having a HC who would have looked incompetent if he fired two straight OC's after one season. He got the offense within shouting distance of average in 2019 after a dismal 2018 and now he has a QB and WR corps who can make most any of his calls look good. I think what you see with Daboll is a solid coordinator............but he's not going to get the job done with modest talent.........he's not at that level. But what kind of offensive mind/play caller he is isn't going to determine if he is a good HC anyway. Different skillset. From my understanding where Roman is lacking is the leadership and social skills to do well in HC interviews.

Well statistically he was clearly not at a pro blow level in the AFC last year.....and the bar was much lower in the AFC than NFC. He was actually in a muddled performance group with a lot of solid players whose names the average NFL fan wouldn't even recognize. What he WAS was healthy and available in mid-January. When you pick an ILB that early you expect All Pro type play........it's like selecting a RB that early.

You don't know just how far down the list he was. I know this........there is no way that Edmunds had a better year than Joe Schobert in 2019. And you've probably never heard of Joe Schobert. You don't know if Edmunds was the 3rd alternate or the 8th anymore than you knew that about Tyrod. Just because you don't know the names of the guys who play inside in the NFL doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of more effective players than Edmunds..........it just means that it's a position overshadowed and considered less impactful than coverage and pass rush players. @GunnerBillI'd be interested to see your inside linebacker rankings for the NFL for 2019 or 2020 seasons.

Part of every pro sports fan should be wanting to win a SB. Too many Bills fans act like the Bills are their small college school trying to compete with the big boys. Most of that is the organizations fault for being such a dumpster fire for 17 years. But the playing field, by design, is quite level in the NFL. That being the case you should expect a pro sports organization to put a SB contender on the field often..........that's supposed to be the trade-off that the owners provide in return for fans suspending disbelief that a privately owned club is actually representing them or the community.

I agree he has not been developed as a passer. He showed a lot of potential as a passer at Louisville. If you recall, when Roman was here Trent Dilfer called his passing game design "high school level". The Bills took a big gamble putting a raw, athletic QB like Josh Allen in a complicated New England style offense. It lead to two very statistically rough years at the bottom of the league in completion % that probably would have gotten Allen benched on teams like Pittsburgh or Baltimore. But now it's yielding results. Mayfield and Jackson started out much quicker but now Allen is the most advanced of the bunch.

He's been playing better since the bye week....... but Edmunds was not voted to the pro bowl last year he was a late addition as a replacement for injured/surgery/still playing players........like Tyrod Taylor was in 2015. Steelers rookie Devin Bush was voted as the pro bowl starter at ILB for the AFC. Dont'a Hightower was the original #2.

Davis had a positive with the TD but otherwise had an uncharacteristically rough game...........2 contested but very catchable drops...........had a big missed assignment on a block that blew up a play. His issues stalled several drives. But the worst play though was leaving his feet on that beautiful deep ball where he leapt out of bounds. Very surprising for someone who is a pretty polished receiver. Usually it's the less athletic/coordinated receivers that have to pick up their feet to concentrate on catching the ball. TJ Graham would be an extreme example.......he couldn't catch anything without jumping. You simply can't jump yourself out of bounds there. Slow down......stake your feet........take a PI........but don't do that. For a receiver that's like a QB taking a sack on third down to knock you out of field goal range. From what we've seen I think he is capable of taking that pass on the run but it's on tape now so he can expect DB's to anticipate him leaving his feet on boundary throws and then simply escorting him out of bounds for easy stops.

It's not a matter of misperception. Just because you are in the area of a catch does not make you the targeted defender so perception implies that it's not at all a statistical factor. That is where his 123 passer rating allowed certainly reflects his lack of impact in coverage. And who are the *average* MLB's and why is a MLB drafted in the middle of round one expected to have "average" players as comps? There are a lot of name MLB's in the NFL. Fred Warner, for instance, has a 63 passer rating allowed. A lot of the MLB's that most would consider better tacklers and much more physical in run defense than Edmunds are in the 70-100 range in passer rating allowed. The question isn't whether Edmunds is an average MLB.........he plays in a defense designed to showcase the MLB so he's going to get some stats............the question is whether his talent/potential are muted by playing a position he isn't particularly instinctive at. And yes, I know that some will argue that he must be a top MLB because the defense has been good with him.........but they had a near top ranked defense with Preston Brown at MLB under Schwartz. You don't need a stud MLB to be successful on defense. Modern NFL defenses are only as strong as their ability to defend the pass..............so MLB is well down on the priority list of spending money and personnel chips on. Good defense is mostly about coverage and pass rush. Having a MLB who can do everything well is like having a catcher who can hit in baseball...........not critical but it's a big plus. Edmunds hasn't really been that + player at MLB so far. You can't pay him $15M per year to do what he's been doing..........which is ultimately why I think they(and he and his agent) need to see if he can become a player at a more important and expensive to fill edge position. Make him a guy who can pressure the passer and set the edge and ALSO drop back in coverage or take a great TE out of the gameplan and he then has the potential to become a player of far greater impact.

From other pics with adults by it I am guessing that statue is about 8' tall. He's basically the size of The Incredible Hulk.

I harped on Gillislee being given a few hundred K higher tender the same way I have harped on being OK with extending Beane but thinking he needs to be more efficient. It was basically all in one thread and a bunch of people mincing my words, creating false narratives and straw man arguments because they were outraged that I was being critical of a decision. My logic was that I was thrilled that we had a backfield that averaged 5.5 yards per carry and that trying to turn McCoy back into a 250-300 carry back again was a bad idea. And it was. He ended up dropping a stunning 1.5 ypc in production to well below league average per carry. A good bit of that was on Dennison and his system........but he also took a beating that season that proved to be the end of his usefulness as a semi-regular NFL RB. It was a truly ugly offensive season.

1) Like I said there are 300 MLB starting positions.......any one of them COULD earn $30M per year if they are great enough........only 14 do. That's a less than 5% chance. 10 of 30 NFL starting QB's earn over $30M. Do the math. If your hangup is that I didn't say that only NBA all-stars have a better chance of earning $30M per year then that's minutia and any QB who was capable of being an NBA all-star would almost certainly bypass football........there just hasn't been one who could. The economics have changed for QB's though.....as I said in the post above........former Heisman trophy winning QB Charlie Ward earned more in the NBA as a reserve point guard averaging 6 points and 4 assists in 12 years than Jim Kelly did as a HOF QB in 11. That's not the way the economics work any longer and QB's just don't take the punishment that Jim Kelly did either. I'm not saying that QB's didn't have long careers before.....the lack of quality in the league often lead to QB's having the opportunity to play even far past the point where they were good. But QB's now have potential to play longer and earn more now than ever. That's attractive to families deciding where to direct their talented son's skills. 2) Exactly my point. There are comps. 3) The QB of the class of 83' who lasted the longest was the scrambling QB John Elway. Russell Wilson is a scrambling QB who will eventually be the most sacked QB in NFL history........he is healthy at age 32 and plans to play until age 45 and I don't doubt him. Being more athletic doesn't make you less likely to have a long career at QB.

I think Art would look good with some zubaz.

How they BUILT this team is not a method that they will have the ability to sustain. Beane has spent and spent and spent in free agency the past 3 offseasons and it's gotten them here but now they gotta' make like the Steelers and Patriots have done for a decade. Find players to fill roles cheaply. The Steelers do it by drafting and developing at a high level. The Patriots have done it despite poor early drafting by having unusual success from late picks, UDFA's and cheap free agents.

I like to use Charlie Ward as an example of this. If Charlie Ward wasn't a better QB prospect than Russell Wilson I will eat my hat...........but in that NFL he wasn't going to get a system tailored to him like Russ. And the earning potential even as a fringe NBA player was better than being a good NFL QB. Charlie Ward made $34M in 12 seasons as a serviceable player in the NBA........Jim Kelly made $28M in 11 seasons as a HOF QB. Their careers didn't directly overlay but the fact that Ward would have finished anywhere near a HOF QB in career earnings says it all.

1) Murray was a high 1st round pick and given a $5M bonus by the Oakland A's. He wasn't likely to play in MLB as a rookie but probably in year 2. Years ago going to MLB would have been the easy choice for him. Less violent......longer career........guranteed contracts and very good baseball players got paid more than great QB's. Those aren't the economics of baseball anymore. Careers are shorter with PED's legislated better.......teams work to delay free agency and are loathe to pay players past their age 32 year any longer(which is still middle of the prime of a modern QB)..........and the supply greatly exceeds the demand everywhere except pitcher and catcher........neither of which Murray played. 2) Carson Wentz is in your "top paid QB" list is he not?..........he's not a top QB.........but he is paid $30M.........it works both ways.........all leagues have dudes who flame out or get overpaid for one reason or another. All those NBA players you mentioned were All Stars. That represents the league's finest. 3) Yes, built like LB's. I don't think Jim Kelly was less than 220 pounds at any point after HS. Penn State wanted him as a LB. That's a list of big, strong dudes. Jim Kelly was physically beaten after age 35 season. Marino was finished after 37 and diminished before that. Nowadays they both play another 5 years at a high level and pocket an extra $150M in the process.

1) Your insinuation is that without the Bills getting a 5th round pick for Gillislee they couldn't have had as much success in the draft.......my point is that they totally wasted two much earlier picks on Zay Jones. A LOTTA things have to happen by the 5th round. I mean, are you one of those revisionist "what were we thinking drafting Leif Larson with Tom Brady on the board!?" people? 2) Yes you were wrong. And you got mad and insulted me when you read my opinion. The proper response to that isn't "guess what.......I was wrong".......it's "I apologize......I was wrong". Honestly I laugh this stuff off and there really is no better response to false narratives/straw men/misremembered takes than laughing at it. But if TSW had to donate a dollar to Oishei Children's Hospital for every time a person first made contact with me here to insult me personally for a football take in the past 22 years...........SDS would have a unit named after him.

The low pay was and still is a major deterrent to anyone interested in getting into NFL scouting.

I didn't advocate a long term contract or a even starting job for Mike Gillislee. It's laughable that folks like you try to cherry pick the tiny fact that I was in favor of placing an earlier round, cheap, ONE YEAR tender on a very productive RB. We can't unwatch the 2017-2018 Bills offenses.........putrid............for stretches some of the worst offense in the history of the franchise. Fortunately 4 seasons later we are finally producing on that side of the ball again..........and now a lot of the pro-tankers like you who loved the late game drama of offensively anemic Jauron Ball........are suddenly appreciative of good offensive football. 😆

Didn't the Nix Bills get to 5-1 once with a QB/WR combo of Fitz, SJ13, Nelson and Jones all of whom were 6th rounders or undrafted? The year before the Bills opening day OL was the least experienced offensive line to start an NFL game since 1950(Wood, Levitre, DeMattress Malone etc..). Totally useless trivia but at the time some people here thought that it meant the bills were playing 3D chess.