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I think we have to acknowledge that the drops in that Chiefs game didn't result in 160 less yards. The hyperbole about that has gotten a little out of hand. For example, the most egregious example was the dropped deep ball to Diggs on the Bills last drive. They proceeded to advance much further than that before two poor passes/well defensed plays lead to the game-losing missed field goal. They only had 3 drives the entire game that didn't result in a TD or a FG attempt and they didn't all end because of drops. They advanced past much of that loss. There weren't that many more yards actually left on the table from said drops.

The starting pitching has been the biggest culprit but it should iron itself out. The rest of the solutions to the Yankees problems are in the minor leagues. They just don't bring the players up unless it's a last resort(like the Rizzo injury). Ben Rice should have been up last July. Stanton goes on the IL and instead of bringing up Agustin Ramirez(and his 20 HR and 21% K rate) they install Trent Grisham full time in CF instead. I've mentioned the triple A arms that should be in the bullpen. Will Warren had the highest "stuff plus" in all of the minors last year and they are trying to give him innings instead of using that nasty arsenal in the MLB bullpen. Maybe he's not meant for starting pitching success like King or Schmidt. His ERA is over 6 as a starter. Just like Delin Betances(6.44) as a starter at Triple A in 2012. The made him a reliever and he was the best reliever in MLB in 2014 and 2015 pitching to a sub 1.50 ERA over 144 appearances. They just don't ever seem to learn from their own successes. The Yankees are the worst base running team in MLB at -13 runs and that is almost twice as bad as the 31st team(Angels). They haven't stolen a base in 21 games. Meanwhile, their minor league teams have lead the minors in stolen bases the last two years. Surround Judge and Soto with the kids and play a more aggressive style. It comes down to economics........Hal and Cashman refuse to cut losses until it's clear that that player is among the worst in MLB with absolutely no chance of recovery. See Hicks and Donaldson(both now out of baseball). DP Le Pew is arguably the worst player in MLB right now. No slug, impossibly slow and terrible on the bases and has even become a negative defensive runs guy. He's 35, cut bait. Bring up Jorbit Vivas or Ben Cowles and let Cabrera keep developing. If they get traded........they are going right to the major leagues. They are as ready as they are going to get. You either serve the youth or you get punished for not doing so.

I don't pay attention to windows, myself. The concept is a crutch for fans and an excuse for organizations, IMO. But if you don't think it's a conversation for those of you who do talk SB windows? Wrong.

Yeah we've seen the personnel limitations get exposed so many times in the last 25 years that it's hard to believe that people still don't realize why you need high end talent.

If only he'd done this during their championship window.

When you don't have a difference maker nobody can stop you.

Unfortunately, Shakir also sustained a hamstring injury during OTA's in June. He's "expected" to be ready to go by TC but those often linger and recur so it's something to keep an eye on. Especially with a team that also has two highly invested in players in Samuel and Coleman who would benefit greatly from getting those free-release slot reps. As Brett Kollman said in the podcast that was turned into a thread on TSW............the Bills have a whole WR corps of "slot receivers".

Here is your quote: "I remember when people completely went bonkers and kept slamming Shakir when I made similar Kupp comparisons when he was a rookie, and again last year, which is not really a surprise since Shakir has since come out and literally stated he studies Kupp and tries to pattern some of his game off his." Hey, it's your story, bro. You said you made Kupp comparisons. If people laughed at them maybe you should have clarified that you didn't mean the all-time receiving yardage record kinda' version of Kupp who gains 1947 yards. Can you see where a lack of clarity like that can cause a misunderstanding? No?

To the contrary, the truth is that Shakir was sold as potentially the steal of the entire draft. So let's not hyperbolize about the general opinions of him. I didn't see anyone going bonkers at his projection as a productive slot receiver who might put up 611 yards in his second season. But Kupp? He was coming off an NFL record 1947 yard receiving total so it's PROBABLY important to keep in context the point in time if people disagreed. If people were comparing Keon Coleman to Calvin Johnson would a 611 yard season in his second year prove those comps correct? I think not. The big point of contention from the start was how Shakir would do as a boundary WR because of his extremely short arms. A lot more people on here were trying to compare him to Stefon Diggs than Cooper Kupp. We still don't know how he will do on the boundary but there isn't much precedent to indicate he will succeed out there.

No, it's literally the fact that so often times these brief runs of high production don't translate. What is even more surprising than your not knowing the Chiefs had a great offense in 2020 is that you don't even know the Bills recent track record with these stories: Robert Foster Gabriel Davis Deonte Harris Trent Sherfield The only WR the Bills have acquired in trade, free agency or the draft who has had a massive jump in production is Stef Diggs..........who was already a star and cost a kings ransom to acquire in trade. Beasley had a season where he produced 135 more yards than his best Cowboys season. Nobody has joined these Bills and just blown the doors off of any past bulk production despite the opportunity. It never happened for Foster and Davis despite huge promise based on small sample sizes as lesser knowns in lower roles like Shakir. Harris aka Harty and Sheffield crashed back to career norms upon joining the Bills despite convincing stories of promise from the overly optimistic. If Shakir's numbers scale up he will be well over 1,000 yards. That will be the first jump of it's kind they've experienced. As far as me having fun...........that's never an issue. I always have fun with the Bills. It's just entertainment to me but maybe that's why I don't have to have smoke blown up my a$$ to enjoy the game. I can keep it real because it's in perspective. But the minor life issues you are complaining about lead me to believe that life gets challenging and perhaps un-fun for you very easily. Your near 50 years of self-indulgence is over but it's not an excuse not to have obvious data right, Alpha. Nobody wants to hear about dad's labor pains.

Yeah those "others" probably won't matter unless you have injuries. The Bills have traditionally just used 3 receivers mostly and when Brady was at Carolina he did the same. But additionally, with Kincaid and Knox, I suspect the Bills will run a lot of 12........which means just 2 receiver sets 30%-40% of the time. The top 3 receivers will get all the other snaps they have available unless there are injuries or the top 3 receivers suck. I think a lot of fans have this fantasy that they are going to be regularly substituting and that every receiver will get 20 snaps and a couple targets every game and that will somehow stress the defense. Not realistic.

Will it upscale with more opportunities and as defense's adjust to his tape and pay greater attention to him? That's the question. It often does not.

How did you actually believe that the Chiefs only scored 21.4 points per game in 2020? Even a casual observer should have known that was wrong. That's really surprising.

It's not what the OP is saying. He just loves the chances of the dumpster dives succeeding. And what the Chiefs are saying by paying Brown and drafting Worthy is that they don't like how their plan has worked. It's made them more vulnerable in the regular season. They know they need to be both dynamic in the regular season AND the post season. The Bills are always a season or two behind the Chiefs in terms of strategy.

The Chiefs became a contender 2 years earlier........their 2018 team put up an amazing 565 points.......3rd most in NFL history.......but failed to reach the SB. They had already mastered the regular season before the Bills became contenders in 2020. The Chiefs learned how to build their team for the postseason. The regular season has been a formality for them while the Bills have been chasing. The Bills offense has been built to put up points with receivers who get open against soft, regular season coverage. When the playoffs hit.......they lose that edge. The Chiefs receiving targets have always had a much higher degree of physicality and that's why they seem to outscore the Bills with such little resistance in the playoffs. The Bills seem to have caught on to what the Chiefs have been doing for the past few years but their choices to try to mimic the 2022-2023 Chiefs are suspect. Primarily because the top of the Bills receiving order doesn't begin with anything close to Travis Kelce. Meanwhile, the Chiefs have pivoted to stacking speed on top of the physicality of Kelce and Rice..........probably because they've gotten less efficient in the regular season and want to assure they get back to controlling the #1 seed. Bills are always finding themselves a step or two behind.

Actually, the Chiefs had 2 of the top 32 receiving yardage producers in the NFL. Which has been the case for them every year of Mahomes career. They introduced Rashee Rice by putting him in the slot where he could get free releases and he produced a season that NOBODY on the Bills current WR corps has matched in their careers. (Too bad Keon likely won't have the opportunity Rice had.......since the best 2 WR on the Bills are already slot receivers.) So while the Chiefs aren't the Tyreek and Kelce HOF duo show anymore...........their receiving targets were still a lot better than they get credit for the past 2 seasons. The Bills had 2 of the top 32 receiving yardage leaders once in Josh Allen's career. In 2020. Which is the closest they've been to a Super Bowl.

I'm not sure @pennstate10 is going to accept "far more rare" as a stat on reclamation projects. You should get right on that data since you've indicated that you think it's necessary to come to such a conclusion. But there are may things about this WR group that disappoint. You don't have a projected bottom tier of the league WR corps and not have it be layered. But if they had merely added a WR1.........we aren't having these discussions. They have a pile of players who are being projected into matchups that do not look favorable. That perspective changes greatly when you have that difference maker at the top. Hence, why they are called difference makers.

You are welcome to contribute your own stats, Jerry jr. I've made mine repeatedly and you have a search function. The professionals concur with my opinions. You can get some great odds on gaming sites if you have conviction on guys like MVS and Claypool reviving their careers etc..

I think their stats last season are recent enough. No? I've shared many times that this would be the first time in almost 40 years that the Bills would start a season without a single WR who had put up 900 yards in any given NFL season. Coleman didn't even put up 800 in a season in his college career. I think the PFF reference illustrates the outside perspective as well. I've been thru A TON of stats. If I repeat them for everyone then I get even more people complaining about repeating them etc.. Their track records are their weak statistical histories. Obviously. Having to re-explain the obvious isn't advancing your opinion or broadening the discussion in any way.

I've never physically threatened anyone on TSW. Nor are any of the posts in this thread "threatening". But keep making sh!t up Mr. over-share. We need more of your dumb kickboxing at 40 stories and things like buying goats to mow your lawn in the suburbs or how you take your kid to sporting events and bring him back to your ex with frostbite. You might not be the dumbest guy on the internet but you are a nominee. 80 years from now re-living his first game with dad:

Gil will either work thru it or get moved to the pen when Schmidt gets back(if not sooner). He could be a beast in the pen down the stretch. The problem the Yankees have now is that they don't have starting pitching to ride the Scranton shuttle. Brock Selvidge has emerged as their top healthy pitching prospect. He looks good in double A but seems too raw to be brought up, IMO. He is drawing Andy Petitte comps. Brock Selvidge and Spencer Jones will be representing the Yankees and the AL in the futures game at the All Star break a week from Saturday. RHP Will Warren has regressed after getting seemingly rushed up the ladder. He and Yoendry Gomes should probably be in the Yanks bullpen cutting their teeth like Michael King and Schmidt did. Otherwise just lot of injuries to starting pitching in the minors. Preseason #1 pitching prospect Chase Hampton just finally started his rehab starts in the low minors. I think his situation was like Cole, strain to the UCL that they chose to rest. He was going to help this season but probably not. Clayton Better is injured. Low minors beasts LaGrange(rhp recently began rehab) and Lalane(lhp) have been out all season. LaGrange recently started throwing in the FCL. They could both rise quickly next season. These Yankee-nerds do a great job of covering the Yankees farm system on youtube:

Excellent point. I was looking at it from the standpoint of just the season itself and the potential of Josh Allen being reduced by it going forward. But long term the draft capital could be nice. Beane has drafted pretty well but he has struggled to find difference makers and that would be a sliver platter opportunity. Trubisky is absolutely terrible though. If I had to pick THE current veteran QB most likely to go 0-17 if given the opportunity he would be at the top of the list. He sucks and he's durable.

To your last point. A funny thing that happened in this thread is that my "what a dumba$$ response" post was a reply to Beck. Beck's original post and mine were immediately deleted. Then an edited version of her post(clearly by her) re-surfaced and mine was then restored without the original quotes from Beck. No big deal but the posturing gave me a chuckle. *To clarify rather than adding another post........I never said nor implied that Beck deleted the posts. Was she given some help but then stubbornly re-posted her thoughts after they'd already been deleted, leading to the restoration of mine? Perhaps. Just sayin' it made me laugh.

The problem is that your first defense is calling the suspects "unknowns". Everything about the upcoming season is an "unknown". Will Josh Allen have a heart attack today? Unknown. Can't base discussions around such ridiculously broad designations. What we can have discussions about are the odds that something will occur. The likelihood. To the objective eye this WR corps is suspect. PFF has them projected at 27th after having them at 9th at the end of last season. They are unlikely to be able to step into elevated roles. It could happen. But it's statistically unlikely based on a pretty significant track record.

I'd agree with the Bills "best case". But the "worst" is Allen getting injured in the opener and Trubisky as the starting QB against that tough schedule. Drafting #1 overall isn't out of the question in that scenario. They don't have the proven difference makers like the 2-14 Peyton Manning-less 2011 Colts. Indy still had Freeney/Mathis on D and Wayne/Garcon/Clark on offense.........4 of the 5 of them still had really good seasons. But overall the Bills roster probably stacks up about equal if you were to remove Allen from the equation like Manning was.