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36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Appreciate the stats. I’d say that’s meaningful.
Sorry @Eastport bills but you are wrong again.
The Seminoles had the second lowest amount of rushes per game in the 14 team ACC with 33.1.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/acc/2023-team-offense.html
Only Pitt had fewer(29.7).
The point you either miss or are selectively ignoring?
Teams run the ball A LOT in college football.
Having more rush attempts than pass attempts is not an indicator that you are conservative.
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5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
This is a wild statement.
You don't think Allen knew about Samuel,MVS,Coleman and signed off on it??? This isn’t the 2010 Bills..
Allen knew Diggs was being traded and this is pure speculation but I believe he signed off on that as well..
You watch the Brady offense, which is only a few games and he runs the ball effectively and 17 is more of a point guard, not having to play hero ball as much. We have an elite GM,HC and staff.
Look at a Herbert, had 2 big time WRs and did nothing, it's hard to win in the nfl. Apparently you know better than Beane, thinking that the Bills aren't doing everything possible to win a sb with an elite qb.. such a ridiculous statement
I think it was either @HappyDays or @Kirby Jackson who recently posted about how little draft capital the Bills had used on the WR position with Josh Allen at QB(using the weighted trade chart value numbers). You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
But even if Allen has some say in who they bring in at WR..........what matters is the results of those acquisitions.
LeBron left his beloved hometown twice because they just didn't nail their personnel decisions. Some of those who disappointed were players he wanted them to acquire(like Kevin Love).
This is the way it can go down with superstar athletes.
Could Allen choose to remain with a defensive minded HC and a rotating cast of OC's and ineffective WR's? In a conference loaded with elite QB's blocking his path?
Sure.
But if you are the Bills you don't want to f#ck around and find out.
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What a dumba$$ response.
The point is simple.........appreciate when you have a great thing.
People act like Allen is tied to a 40 year lease or something.
Dude is from CA, he owns a house in LA, would golf every day if he could and his significant other happens to be a busy actress there.
Are you dumb enough to not realize that it's crossed his mind that he could live AND play where he wants to?
It's not like he'd be walking away from a great organization. And McVay has been to 2 SB's and so has Shanahan.
He could easily be up there on a podium a couple years from now saying how tough a decision it was but he had to do what was right for him.
Job #1 of any organization with an elite QB is to make that QB look as good as he can. They aren't doing that. To think he doesn't ealize that is to think he is an idiot.
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33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
yeah exactly this
i don't understand why people think it's so inconceivable allen wouldnt go for an extension here...this has not exactly been what i'd call catering to your qb
Yeah it's bad enough he's saddled with a defensive minded HC and is then dealing with the constant threat of coordinator and system changes.
And to be stuck in a conference with Mahomes and Burrow and their HC situations.
But to not make putting WR talent around him a top priority?
You can't expect the QB to tolerate all of those handicaps when the defense then keeps falling apart in the playoffs year-after-year.
They are giving him a lot of reason to think about the naturally greener pastures........which just so happen to be where he was born and raised.........or currently makes his home and where his girlfriend works etc. etc..
They can't keep him here if he doesn't feel this is the best place for his career.
I doubt anyone in the Buffalo media even dares asking him this summer if he foresees finishing his career in Buffalo. I'd suspect a much more measured answer at this point than 4 years ago.
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19 minutes ago, eball said:
Good lord, the DRAMA…you should write a made-for-TV Lifetime movie about all of this.
Hilarious.
It doesn't live up to the real-life drama of you writing the Bills organization a strongly worded letter to inform them that you were dropping your 26 year season tickets because they replaced Rex Ryan with this McDermott guy.
And of course........then........subsequently crying and begging on TSW in January of 2021 trying to get tickets to the first home playoff game since 1995.
Futilely, I might add.
That was real drama.
And really, truly f#cking hilarious.
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Whatever gets him motivated.
Literally. I don't even want to know. Maybe it's how mad he got the night that he and his 220# of a$$ stripper baby mama got into a wrasslin' match and she called the cops on him. Just do it. Don't want to hear about the labor pains after all the big talk last offseason and then the subsequent dumpster fire of a season he had.
20 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:He will never prove critics wrong. This is because his fans think of him as a top rusher when we signed him but he was already long gone. Nowhere near his hay day anylonger after his first major injury. Just a massive mistake by Beane, massive.
He was still effective on LA because of Aaron Donald mainly but also having Floyd on the other side helped a lot.
He was still good, but that’s it. Not an impact player at all any longer.
False.
He was excellent in the 2022 season for Buffalo. Highly productive and clutch.
Did they overpay? Yes but they paid for his production and his championship pedigree in the locker room. He was literally the best player on one of the few teams to win a SB primarily because of defense since the rules changes 15 years ago.
The plan was working. Unfortunately, narrow is the path at his age and the gait he just couldn't keep straight.
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1 hour ago, Logic said:
To me, it's not a question of "can Josh Allen make chicken salad out of chicken *****" with an average to subpar receiving group?". He can, and has.
To me, the pertinent question is "have the Bills put Josh Allen in the best possible position to succeed to the best of his capabilities?", and to me, the answer appears to be a no.
Now...it's completely valid to say that Stefon Diggs was likely in the Bills' plans for this coming season, that his departure was somewhat unexpected to them, and that given the cap situation, their hands were a bit tied as to how much they could really do to respond. I don't think that's ENTIRELY valid, because I would counter that they could've drafted more than one receiver in a loaded WR draft, could've traded a pick for another team's receiver and given that player an extension, etc.
In any case, if the statement is "our offense will be just fine regardless of our WR corps because Josh Allen is our QB", then I agree. If the statement is "the Bills have put Allen in an optimal situation to maximize his production and be the best player he can be", I disagree. And that's what keeps on seeming to happen, in my opinion: the Bills keep turning to Josh Allen and saying "hey buddy, we're gonna need you to put on the cape most weeks in order for our team to win", and I don't think that's a desirable, sustainable, or particularly fair or wise strategy.Yep.
And even though he likes going out there and being violent.........when he breaks his collar bone struggling for extra yards on a critical 4th and something play because his weapons aren't good enough to keep the chains moving..........and ends up watching half the season from the sideline.........those pending QB vacancies for QB-friendly HC's in his home state of California may start looking a lot more interesting.
People don't realize it........but the reason that Aaron Rodgers didn't finish his career as a Packer is that the Packers played this same game with him for a decade. Don't think that Allen's buddies Brady and Rodgers haven't told him not to trust that the organization has his best interest in mind and will eventually give him the weapons he needs. They both got boned for their loyalty. Brady got left hanging with no weapons and was pushed out the door by Belichick and Rodgers got his replacement drafted in round 1 after 13 straight years of defensive first round picks.
I'm sure their advice is don't wait until you are 36 to be where you aren't taken for granted.
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3 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
What’s the point of continuing with this. You’re convinced the Bills can’t win with these receivers. Who cares about Fla State run statistics? You’re grasping at straws with cherry-picked stats to what end?You have an opinion and you want people to accept it. Negativity is your starting point. You don’t acknowledge anything positive and you can’t accept the benefit a QB like #17 has on a young player. I can’t engage in this anymore. Thanks.
The point of continuing with it was to prevent you from spreading false stats to the readers of this forum.
Each of which was more absurdly false than the next.
That's just weird, creepy, self-serving, fraudulent behavior.
Unless you saw those same stats posted here by some other ahole. Which is quite possible.
In which case, you should thank me for pointing out facts that you could have searched for accuracy in a manner of seconds instead of just buying it as fact and subsequently looking the fool for it.
We don't all know that in 2023 Florida State was a run-first team.........because they clearly WERE NOT............but what we do all know is that if you say it on the internet a lot of people will believe it and might very well parrot those lies.
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4 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
We already know the Fla State offense was run heavy so 50 receptions on an undefeated team is impressive.
Why would we know this?
Florida State was 11th of 14 teams in the ACC in rushing yards per game.
They were 3rd in passing yardage in the ACC.
You are literally just making sh!t up out of thin air.
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17 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
You are the most ridiculous person here and that’s saying something. I said I think the idea of # 1 vs 2 etc for WRs is a bit overblown and you somehow turn it into stuff about matchups and then incredibly switch it to some rant about QBs.
QBs are the most important players in any position in sports and we have a great one. The idea of #1 vs 2 vs whatever is to me overblown and guys will get open based not just on talent but on play calling.
And likewise I think you may be the most football ignorant.
Where a receiver ranks in the pecking order determines his matchups.
Obviously.
You want a WR1 who can win matchups against good CB1's.
The Bills don't have that.
If the Bills didn't have a good QB you'd be making a case for why they don't need one. That's what you are, an apologist. That's fine, but you will get called out for spreading that ignorance.
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1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:
What’s the obsession with killing this kid before he plays a game. His production in 12 games was tops in the ACC. In a run heavy offense he scored 11 TDs . He caught 50 balls in an offense where he was doubled a lot. He was great in the punt return game. What is your problem? Is it that you root against the Bills and criticize everything they do? Good luck.
You are just wildly hyperbolizing Keon Coleman's accomplishments.
"His production in 12 games was tops in the ACC."
Coleman's ACC receiving ranks:
12th in receptions. (50 when the leader had 110)
14th in receiving yards. (a paltry 658 yards when the leader had 1426)
19th in yards per catch (13.2 when the leader had 18.5)
The only thing Coleman lead the ACC in was TD receptions.
I like Coleman's physical traits but he did not produce at a high level in college. He is a projection. The root of projection is project. We aren't talking about a guy like Greg Rousseau who put up huge sack numbers in one season. Coleman did not have a single 800 yard season in college even. Being honest and realistic about what he's accomplished is not "killing the kid".
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13 hours ago, NewEra said:
looks like I’m living rent free in your head just like @Thurman#1@Logic@Alphadawg7 and so many others. So- the top 2-3 WRs is how you rank a WR unit- Got it.
Meanwhile:
-I like Samuel and the nice thing is that he likely has that 600 yard kinda "floor" but might also have the upside to be a poor man's Diggs replacement in 2025 if they decide to cut bait from Stefon.
”As much as I'd love to get Samuel I would like to see them continue to get bigger at WR depth. It's great having guys who can get separation but the catch radius of this WR corps is not ideal and we saw how bad the wind at the Ralph can be late in the season.”
”I think Curtis Samuel could be that guy.........he's a 4.3 guy who could become a top slot WR but also can be a dynamic runner at RB and also is one of the higher rated deep threat WR's.”
“I'd rather have Williams and a playmaker like Curtis Samuel......or a pass rusher.......than use that $ retain Milano.”
”I like the proven option in Samuel........he seemed like a perfect fit, legit 4.3 speed but also can play RB and is an excellent deep WR........especially with Beasley in his walk year and getting up there in age.......he could have been a real threat.”
”Samuel is versatile enough to play any of the WR positions and long term he's probably most dangerous from the slot. Beasley is in his walk year and has battled injuries.......Samuel would be the successor there in 2022. He would also become the Bills most dangerous RB option out of the backfield. He's a real RB too.......and legitimately 4.3 fast........not like "fast for a RB" guys like Etienne who people want to spend a high draft pick on. And his #'s as a deep ball receiver are excellent so yeah he can bounce out and play the X or Z.”
“Samuel is exceptional on the deep ball........can play slot when Beasley leaves and is actually a trained RB who can produce there too. He was a great fit, IMO”
“ Curtis Samuel is a proven and durable young veteran NFL player.........the Bills are ready to win now............he is outstanding not only out of the backfield or slot(where he could succeed Beasley and bounce back and forth between the backfield to allow more versatility).........but he is also a provenexcellent deep ball receiver. He has developed into an unusual player and he's not just elusive.........he's a legit 4.31 speed guy. There aren't as many of those out there as you may think.”“Samuel is not just fast dave..........he was one of the better downfield receivers in the NFL last year. He's not just a juiced up Isaiah McKenzie. He's a RB who converted to WR and is now an outstanding, versatile AND lightning fast WR. I like Sanders but at some point Sanders is gonna' hit the wall. 34 is old for a WR. I already think he's become less impactful than his stats indicate. It would be a shame if it happens in a year when the Bills are considered one of the conference favorites.”
“Will Fuller and Curtis Samuel come to mind IMMEDIATELY. Samuel can play slot, outside, RB all while bringing elite speed.”
”2) Curtis Samuel was my top free agent target for reasons already given. That dude ran a 4.31 at the combine......not just some pro day #. That is elite speed and even in this great WR draft you are not likely to find a guy who can be an explosive RB, a dynamic slot and an excellent deep ball receiver”
“I would *guess* Samuel gets 3 years $35M or so from a desperate team with a young QB to break-in. He's a better, more versatile player than Cole Beasley was after 2018(4 years $29M) and the value of WR's has increased greater than the salary cap since that time. So I don't think he gets south of $11M aav. That probably pushes him out of the Bills range. Ugly free agent class””but I DO expect Curtis Samuel to actually produce and be an impact player in January. He's a real NFL playmaker.”
“The time is now for Curtis Samuel. He's in his prime and knows the offense and has had success in it”
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Those are your quotes and your thoughts about our current top WR Curtis Samuel. Here are some of your thoughts on Jordan Matthews. The nicest thing I saw you write was “I like Matthew’s, but he’s a big slot and not many teams want a big slot”.
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Jordan Matthew’s is so good that:
“drafting/acquiring the unexceptional Zay Jones and Jordan Matthews and trying to become bigger and slower at WR bordered on inexplicable”.
“If you recall the Eagles struggled for months to find any takers for Matthews for any kind of draft capital”.
“drafting Zay and trading for KB and Matthews were atrocious”.
(Speaking on Allen Hurns) “But when healthy he is more talented than Jordan Matthews”.
“They were trying to trade Matthews for months. No takers. He was a throw in.”
“Their WR corps to start last season was easily the worst in team history until Deonte and KB were acquired.””They are counting on a whole lot from Zay and a bunch of UDFA's to fill WR2-WR6 positions........it's almost unbelievable the WR corps is this shaky when they are trying to break in young QB's McCarron/Allen.”
”or when I accurately predicted that their post-Sammy WR situation would cripple their offensive production when others were hyping other-team-trash like Jordan Matthews.
“The Eagles had been shopping Matthews around the league for a long time........no takers......finally threw him in to close the Darby deal.”
“Matthews is a better track athlete......lot's of those types in the NFL.........but his actual football skillset is considerably lesser.........particularly the ballskills area.“
“that would've been sick if Molasses Matthews could have gotten to the first down marker.”
“JonesMatthews
Holmes
Tate
“Those are your 4 active WR every game...........and Tate is a terrible WR.”
“Receiving corps in general has no playmakers.........Jordan Matthews isn't likely to change that at all he's a shaky handed possession specialist”
“Jordan Matthews was a much easier fit.........he's a post up, short range receiver on a team with nobody in the WR corps”
“Matthews was just a throw in in the Darby trade......Eagles had been trying to deal him for months and got virtually no value back at all for him.”
”but in fairness Matthews was a throw-in”.
Some of your thoughts on current WR3-4-5 that would be competing against Andre Holmes- Kaelin clay and Brandon Tate
Who are the Bills "deep group of good WR"? It's Diggs.......a huge gap..........and THEN a MVS-like WR3 in GabeDavis”
“Since then they dealt Hill and then signed Juju and MVS and they both played up to expectations.......Juju finished 24th in receiving yards and MVS was who he always has been”
“People spent years talking about how the Packers were Davante Adams and a bunch of garbage at WR and then a championship team turns around and gives Green Bay's WR2 an 8 figure aav contract. And then he played that role just like he always did......but as the 3rd option instead of the 2nd option........and they won a SB”
“And MVS was their version of what Gabe Davis provides the Bills........just further down the ladder where he can exploit matchups.”
”MVS was basically Gabe Davis but with like a dozen less targets.......those two guys are as close of a comp to each other as any two WR's in the NFL”
”He's in the MVS and Gabe category.” Was Andre Holmes in that category too? Obv
“MVS is settled in as a 3rd option receiving target in theNFL.........his free agent contract signed last offseason was 3 years $30M..........that's the market for that level of talent.” Similar to andre Holmes I’m sure.
Yet- you say the 2017 WR unit is better than the 2024 unit because the top guys are better- riiiiiight. Matthews -Zay-Holmes-
Sure sounds like you believe Matthews was better than Samuel. Rookie Zay vs Shakir? LOL. MVS/coleman/ or even claypool vs Holmes? LOL-
🤡-that’s me- 🤣
While you’re the guy that exists here just to combat a few of us that are too optimistic for your liking. The fact that you’re arguing that the 17-18 WR unit is better than the 24 unit is good proof of this. Calling me out because I’m talking about the depth of the 24 unit- while even the top 3 of 24 are clearly better than 17. The only thing you have is “Jordan Matthew’s was a 1000 yard receiver” - and even that’s not true. Close though. Sure seems like you value Matthews more than Samuel 💩
✌️Looks like a lot of good-to-great takes. Thank you for digging those up.
I liked Curtis Samuel back in 2021. Would I have liked to bring him in instead of Emmanuel Sanders? Absolutely. His star was rising. Would it have been nice to have a player like that so that they didn't have to extend Diggs early? Definitely. That was a great take by me. Their problems with Diggs started when they extended him. I accurately predicted that the only reason that he wasn't a pain in the a$$ was his lack of contract leverage.
I like Samuel now too.........but not as WR1. In an offense where your TE Kincaid is the top target getter.......your X is a WR1 like DK Metcalf.......and your slot is Shakir........yeah I think Samuel at flanker is fine. Keep in mind.......in that offense Shakir or Samuel are off the field somewhere between 20% and 50% of the snaps. 12 is the second most run personnel combination at 19% league wide.
And yeah, I hated that 2017 WR group. I've made that clear and I did think that was the worst WR group they'd taken into a season in my lifetime. But where this 2024 group ranks, relative to the rest of the league, is arguably as bad or worse. I don't care if the 5th WR is better. You judge a WR corps by their numbers. Just because I was spot-on about Matthews being over-rated doesn't mean he hadn't been effective. 6'3" 236 with a 4.46 40 time as a second round pick in 2014. You had to have watched him to know that those numbers don't translate(same with Clayfool). That's not by any means to compare offense's. They have Josh Allen and Kincaid/Knox now.
As for MVS.........he and Gabe were neck and neck as low-efficiency big ypc guys with bad hands for a few years but MVS is entering his age 30 season and Gabe will be 25 this season. That's a big age gap. MVS being much older washed ashore last season.
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14 hours ago, Eastport bills said:
In your effort to bury the kid for whatever reason, you neglected to mention he had 50 catches in 12 games and 11 TDs. Prorate that to 17 games and he’s a # 1 on the Bills. It’s Ws buddy. Better than 50% on contested balls. MVS was much better with Rodger’s. If you’re going to be a hater give us the whole story and let these guys play a game with #17 before you give your superior career projections.
So you are pro-rating Coleman's college stats to the NFL?
And where did you see that Coleman was better than 50% on contested catches?
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Clayfool.
Dude is an idiot.
If he took coaching and put in a decent effort after the Bears acquired him he could have signed a new contract that offseason with tens of millions in guarantees.
Poles and the Bears were basically all-in on his dog-a$$.
Then he could have feigned an injury going into 2023 and retired to social media forever.
Instead he's f#cking around trying to trick McBeane into guaranteeing him one last $1.2M pay day before vanishing when the bullets start flying for real like Percy Harvin reeling in Doug Whaley.
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27 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:
Your assessment of these receivers viability without seeing them on the field seems a bit premature. My point was when we were in throwing situations with 4 receivers, we wouldn’t necessarily miss Diggs getting doubled. Obviously you turned the topic on its head to flash your advanced insights about what offensive approach works and your distaste for the receivers on the roster. Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel (with a real QB)Coleman( a #1 on undefeated division 1 team) A great pass catching TE and Shakir will be a good #2. Samuel has been productive with a below average QB. MVS and the other 2 roster survivors will give us better depth than previously.
I've seen all of the Bills WR's on the field.
A ton. This is not a cast of unknowns.
I watched Coleman have just two 100 yard games and average just 55 yards per game in 12 games at FSU.
I watched MVS play terribly and have by far his worst season as a pro.
I watched Clayfool end the Dolphins season with a terrible route that Taylor Rapp intercepted.
They are what they are at this point.
23 hours ago, oldmanfan said:I think all the # designations for WRs are a bit overblown myself. As for gaslighting, compare last year to this year at the WR spot. The biggest difference is Diggs. Samuel is at least even with Davis, Shakir is back, and Coleman and MVS are better than the other guys from last year. So if your claim that all of a sudden the Bills WR corps is terrible is not based solely on Diggs, then what are you basing it on?
So you don't think the NFL is a "matchup league" after all?
Interesting.
Is the value of the QB position overblown as well?
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13 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:
OK, if they line up with a TE and 3 wide along with 5 on the OLine, that’s 9 along with Cook and Allen. I said 4 or 5 receivers in my post. Naturally with 5 receivers Allen would be empty formation. My point is still if all these receivers and Cook get single coverage and Allen has to be accounted for, there is going to be a few mismatches. That makes this receiver group more dangerous. Diggs and Davis were not the reason we turned the season around. It was Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Substitute Coleman and Samuel for Harty and Sherfield and compare.
We are officially at the point of the offseason when someone thinks more receivers on field = more dangerous.
The least explosive offense in football is 5 wide. Dink and dunk garbage.
4 wide? They better be damn good receivers(which the Bills don't have) because the defensive line can play the run on the way to the QB.
The most effective passing formation in the recent NFL is 1 RB 2 TE = 12 personnel.
The Bills seem to be counting on being a heavy 12 because their WR corps is a couple WR3's, a rookie who didn't produce in college and a bunch of dumpster dives.
The Bills problem is that unless a defense respects the possibility of 11 personnel and field stretching WR's.........they can game plan around having their ideal personnel to match up with 12 and choke out the short to intermediate areas.
Which is why to expect more run game, more clock burning and more of Josh Allen being used like a battering ram in the run game.
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12 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Another potential problem is with no top tier WR the defense can switch who a top CB1 can cover, like Sauce could cover Samuel on one play and Kincaid on another making it harder for the offense to scheme plays.
For me a disappointing and frustrating part of this off-season is coming to terms with your last paragraph. It appears the Beane/McD/Brady combo adopted this run more, move the chains thing, as the new 2024 strategy.
Defensive coordinators have a tendency to surprise us.
Putting CB1 on Davis and bracketing Diggs in 2022 was a surprise that served to halt the Gabe Davis train.
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1 hour ago, muppy said:
I'm voting Tyler Bass also. It's going to be brutal if he reverts back to being inconsistent . What we need is consistent performance and PLEASE Tyler bring it in 2024
Yeah with less big plays from the offense the kicking game is going to be critical. Bass could turn this season into a disaster of late game losses if he doesn't re-discover his early form.
The only thing I'd say there though is that you can find somebody off the street to kick and they could get hot.
At key positions QB/Edge/LT/WR.........if you find out you over-estimated their ability you aren't finding quality at those positions on the unemployment line in October/November.
So I will say Keon Coleman but it applies to guys like MVS or Clayfool (who both looked totally washed last year) as well.
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16 hours ago, FireChans said:
We should line up 6 WR’s, 2 TE’s and 2 RB’s. The 11 guys playing defense can’t cover of all them
Yeah sorry @Eastport bills.........your math is a lot fuzzy. 5 receivers plus Cook is 12 players. It's not the CFL.
The reality is that in 11 personnel there will be 3 WR and in 12 there will be just 2 WR. If they use Gilliam(21 or 22) that's even more 2 WR sets.
So the perceived "depth" of this group isn't a force multiplier it's some dudes that probably won't see the field unless the guys in front of them are ineffective or get injured.
That is the mindset though. Even @NewEra is championing the "depth" of the group. We should know better. You judge your WR room by the quality of the top 3(moreso the top 2). Beyond that you hope they have a dynamic punt or kick returner in the bottom 3.
Nope and nope.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The point remains, who’s getting that number 1 corner now? The answer is “someone that’s never seen them with less ability than Diggs.” It’s just a part of the equation that some want to avoid.
How these receivers match-up just seems to be lost on so many fans.
People cite Curtis Samuel's season with Brady...........he was the 3rd WR on that team getting favorable CB matchups all season. Similar situation in Washington.
He's likely getting Sauce and Christian Gonzalez 4 times this year. I don't care what his record of getting open against man coverage is against 3rd CB's if he's going up against stud CB1's.
And if Samuel proves not worthy of CB1 attention they might throw it on Kincaid or Shakir. The outlook for maintaining or improving the passing attack is not good.
Which is why we have to assume that this is going to have to be a heavy 12 personnel team that tries to run the ball more than league average, use Allen's legs to keep chains moving and get across goal lines, and shorten games for the defense.
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
Beane didn't "more or less" say Coleman was going to be the X, he flat out said we see him as our X. However, as OTAs progress and the Coleman hype train gathers momentum, it's been notable that Beane has been trying to "manage expectations", talking about how young he is (I had Edmunds flashbacks), "he’s going to have bumps in the road. He’s a rookie, and I think we all need to understand that." I believe he's also said some stuff about having other guys in the room who can do it if the rookies can't right away.
I think there are two separate issues perhaps being conflated a bit here. One is Beane/McDermott's expectations: yes, they expect Coleman to play, but Beane is also giving off vibes he's not going out there for a lion's share of the snaps no matter what, he's got to master the playbook and earn his playing time.
The other is the Coleman Hype Train. Here we have an off season devoid of significant free agent moves, where the team's biggest offensive weapon for the last 4 years (outside QB) got unceremoniously traded and not clearly replaced. Then we have our top draft pick turn out to be a Goldmine for sound bites. So yeah, the Biols PR is running with him and he's getting hyped up a bunch in the press.
Maybe he's getting up-sold as Diggs successor, but I don't hear that as coming from Beane or McDermott. From the Bills PR side of things, I think it's more he's enormously personable and a great interview and Beane didn't give them much of anyone else to talk about.
You may see it as conflated but the point is that there has been a lot of hype about Coleman and we have a faction of folks on here who think he's been discounted or even that nobody thought he was a starting X WR. That's not the case from the team OR the media OR the fans. A lot is now expected of the guy.
I think Beane spoke out of turn by basically proclaiming him the starter because he was trying to control the narrative that he hadn't done enough at the boundary WR positions. That gave license to others to expand on it.
I agree that he's backing off but I don't think he needed to see him in OTA's to know he might not be ready for prime time. How could he? Coleman did not resemble the kind of "finished product" that usually becomes a good starting X WR as a rookie.
There is a reason similar physical profiles like Puka Nacua and Rashee Rice were played in the slot. Unless Shakir's injuries prove nagging Coleman probably isn't going to get that luxury.
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I just want to say......... sabrespace has a way better hockey forum than TSW is for football. All the years of losing have created a very realistic group of posters with a great sense of humor but still some tempered optimism. Not the "but at least we're not the Lions" bickering BS from d!ckholes we had on TSW during the Bills playoff drought. Call it like it is or join the circus. For people who don't visit there, it's worthwhile.
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8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
Was there a "starting X" at all in the draft this year at the back end of the 1st round?
Obviously Beane didn't think so, exactly, or he would have stayed put and pulled the trigger. Is Worthy that guy in year one? That seems like a reach tbh. (Nevermind how much I wanted the Bills to draft him at 28.)
Lamenting the loss of the 5th year option in that 2nd trade back is kinda silly innit? If Coleman actually turns out to be 5th year option-worthy, then the additional trade-back into the 2nd rd will look even smarter. By that point, there is no current WR in the pipeline preventing the Bills from signing Coleman before and/or after year four. It's a "good problem" to have.
Didn't Beane more or less say Coleman was going to be the X? You don't draft a guy that high, be very specific about his position and not expect him to start.
I was in Wegmans yesterday and they have this Keon Coleman in-action NFLPA branded t-shirt for sale for like $40 or so.
Anyone who says Coleman has been slept on or disrespected(and there are a bunch on here) is a sand-bagger.
Coleman has been up-sold to the fanbase as Diggs' successor. He has gotten the most hype of any Bills initial draft selection since Josh Allen(naturally, because he was a QB) and probably since Sammy Watkins(who was a college superstar) prior to that.
Coleman had basically done squadoosh in college.
And yeah the fifth year option isn't a big deal. His profile screams "project". It wouldn't surprise if the jury was still way out on him going into his walk year and/or the Bills had lost patience and paid big money for a vet or drafted a different potential WR1 by then. So you don't want to have to disrespect a 23 year old guy after year 3 by not picking up his option. If he turns into Davante Adams 2.0 in the meantime you will want to pay him long term anyway.
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2 hours ago, NewEra said:
Or I could just ask him and save myself some of my time on earth. Going back and looking at those types of threads is your thing- enjoy those minutes
no- my perception isn’t clouded in the least. When we had Sammy this time of year- you’re right- I thought we would be ok drafting Zay to replace Bob. Then we traded Sammy- and I wasn’t happy about it. I wasn’t happy with our WR corp. I thought getting Matthew’s made some sense and that he could be a nice player- but nowhere near Sammy. I was not a fan of Tate. I hated clay. I laughed at Webb. I thought Holmes was similar to Hollins. I thought our depth was putrid. It was- it also proved to be just that. God awful- we needed deonte and Benjamin to bail us out.
statistics don’t determine my thoughts on players and WR units. Statistics are often a a result of situations, play calling, coaching, rosters, teams success etc. i look at the stats and weigh them with my player evaluation's. Matthew’s was WR1- his WR2 was Riley cooper and 3 was rookie Nelson agholor. He was the only WR option, stats are inevitable stats.
I view this teams WR depth as much better than 17 and 18. Maybe our number 1 in 24 doesn’t have the stats that Matthew’s did, but I think Samuel is a better player. Apparently I’m not the only one.
but cool- you think think unit is worse-
we can discuss after the season
Like @eball........if you insist on comparing players but refuse to do even the most basic research yourself then you are not a serious person. I will dignify an argument to a point but you've offered nothing but vaguery so now it's just comedy.
I'd guess that literally nobody wastes more of their time on earth on TSW here than you. You probably log the most minutes of anyone per year on here. Definitely a f#ck of a lot more than I.
Claiming otherwise as an excuse to just argue without benefit of facts is just more clownery. 🤡
I'm really starting to love this WR room. We quietly got better
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I wouldn't call it rent free.
It's not like @Royale with Cheese ex-wife living rent free in the house he bought (and then getting a cut of his pay check every Friday to boot).
It's not THAT funny.
But I am always delighted to see you show up and promptly step in every pile of sh!t possible.
I don't know how you do it but keep doing it.