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5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I don't know if he is washed or not, he is young enough still to bounce back, but also we don't know how his body can hold up given recent injury issues...but I will say this. Darius Slay looked totally washed 2 years ago and just had one of his best seasons and won the SB this past year at age 35. Bosa is still 29 and his biggest issue has been the injuries. If he can get past the injuries its not at all out of the question he could have a big bounce back year or even a few really good years still.
Am I gonna bank on it, of course not...but a 1 year deal for just over $12M a year is a no risk really, but high reward type deal for us. So while I was against a Bosa signing when he was first cut because at 29 I figured someone was going to give him a multi-year deal and for a lot more money with how crazy contracts have been this off season. But as I said in that original thread, if he came cheap, then sure he can always be a rotational guy if need be with potential to bounce back. I just didn't expect him to come this cheap and especially on just a 1 year no risk deal. But, like he said in his presser, he wants a shot to win and he likes the football town aspect here too, so sounds like he prioritized that over money and length of deal.
Sure he could conceivably be re-born. I just doubt it because it's obviously not likely after 3 straight years of injuries and poor production. I also can't get behind the idea that $12.6M is "no risk". The odds that he becomes the all-around impactful 50 tackle/10 sack 2021 Joey Bosa are probably sub 10%. The odds that he just gives you 2023 Leonard Floyd level sack production are probably less than 25%. This is why the other teams were reportedly offering much less. I'd say he got money that would normally be associated with at least a 50% chance of being worth it. That money usually gets you that. Not in this case.
Like everyone else I am hoping Beane hits the jackpot but this Bosa/Hoecht/Ogunjobi/Palmer class is 4 guys paid with the obvious expectation that they all would be more productive in 2025 than they had been in 2024. It feels eerily reminiscent of that 2018 class he signed expecting the same thing.
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2 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:
I think Kincaid regressed from one of the best rookie seasons for a TE in NFL history. I agree 2024 was not the season we hoped for.
But ...To say he's sucked so far is such a bad take.
Kincaid entered the NFL as a TE in name only. Comparing his production to real TE rookie seasons is the bad take. He was put in the slot and fed the Cole Beasley diet as a 24 year old rookie and that lead to a bunch of catches but no yac and no red zone impact. He literally put up numbers that got Cole Beasley cut after the 2021 season. He supposedly had the best hands in the draft in 2023 but he had a woeful second season filled with big drops and an inability to make a contested catch. This is a guy they traded UP for in the first round. Yeah, he has sucked to this point. He needs to get A LOT better at EVERYTHING a TE is asked to do in his age 26 season.
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3 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:
So he wasn’t the greatest human being in his 20’s. Shocking. Can’t say I feel sorry for the women that had unprotected sex with him knowing he was engaged….who then proceeded to sue him for giving them herpes. THOTS gonna THOT for rich athletes. That’s on them.
I didn’t hear about him being an abuser. If he was then that’s unacceptable.
Yeah, your morality division is interesting but not anything to do with the point.
The point is.......Moulds personally wasted 2 years of his career(when his 1996 draft peers came out firing). Which were also 2 years of some of the most talented Bills football teams he played on.
He's not a sympathetic character even if you don't care whatsoever about him being a deadbeat dad, choking women out or knowingly infecting them with STD's. He wasted more opportunity with his lack of focus on his craft early than he lost later by not having a great QB.
Having guys like Flutie and Rojo and Bledsoe gave him guys who had limited field vision and were therefore willing to throw jump balls up to his always-covered ass 10 times per game in his prime. Literally 150 targets per season in his prime 2000-2004. He had a near perfect setup in Buffalo to be able to succeed despite his limitations getting open.
After his surreal 1998 season(the greatest Bills WR season ever by far).......he put on 10 more pounds of muscle, which slowed him down considerably and he then struggled mightily to get open for the rest of his career despite there being was much less physicality allowed within routes, at the top of routes, and prior to the catch point than there is today. Much less. It's almost an unrecognizable game played in the secondary by comparison. Back then, receivers were hit at the line but then could not be grabbed, ridden around and water-skied all over the field like they are today without drawing a flag. Defense's instead dealt with them by gratuitous violence as the ball arrived and after the catch.
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1 hour ago, Since1981 said:
The bills media piece on Joey came out. Well, he seems like a slow constrained not excitable guy. My wife said “about as interesting to listen to as watching paint dry”
I can see his mindset—I have a yr or two left to win it all. Bills fit. He also seemed genuinely happy to be in a football town
Yeah........how many times have we linked the clip with him arguing with fans and telling them he can do as he pleases because he's rich and they're not etc..? He and his bro are well known to be douches........and that kind of arrogance is not a negative in his line of business. But at this point, he sounds like a guy whose confidence is about crushed. While his friends/associates in media were talking about how he has a lotta' football left and just needs to have a big year and get back in the big money game next offseason.........he sounds like a guy who took the biggest deal he could get because he thinks it's probably the last one.
Hard to blame him. Kicked to the curb by his team a couple weeks earlier, low-balled on the market, hasn't been healthy for 3 straight years now. Instead of asking your wife to analyze his personality ask her to get her rosary out and start saying prayers for his hopeful but unlikely return to form. 😂
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2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I don't know that I'd bank on it. But I don't think I'd consider it so impossible that I'd get rid of him for just a Round 5 to Round 3 swap of picks either. If that's the best we can do, I'd rather give him another year.
Yeah there is little point in trading Kincaid for anything less than a straight-up day 2 pick at this point, IMO. As I said, the key season in TE development is typically year 3 so they just need to hope he got the message in his exit interview and the thinly veiled criticism they've made of him to the media. I'd love to draft a 2026 Knox replacement in April. A real full-capacity TE. But going into the season with just Knox.......the low level backup quality Morris........and a rookie.......is not a great spot to be in when they already don't really pose much of a matchup threat at WR.
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1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:
Maybe it's an act (I don't think so) but Bosa's presser with the Bills showed him to be a humble guy who wants to contribute and win. He acknowledges he's getting old (not many guys at 29 say that) and that he's not the difference that will put this team over the top but he wants to be part of this team and win it all.
I'm rooting for him.
https://www.buffalobills.com/video/joey-bosa-s-first-press-conference-as-a-buffalo-bill-unbelievable-fanbaseYeah it's so refreshing hearing a 29 year old player you just signed admit he could be washed.
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On 3/15/2025 at 3:03 PM, uticaclub said:
Moulds returned kicks & punts before he broke out from under a still productive Andre Reed….Coleman looked good against Tennessee & Seattle.
Moulds didn't break out "from under" Andre Reed..........he was just a totally useless POS for the first two seasons. He couldn't get out from under ANY of the Bills WR's. Beating on women, evading child support.......he was too pre-occupied off the field to be of any use on it. He broke out in 1998 because he knew the Bills were ready to release him that training camp if he didn't prove his worth. And back then, with 1st round contract values vastly inflated versus the rank and file, that meant he was facing a HUGE pay cut if he hit the street as the busted bum he was to that point.
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5 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:
Maybe Knox and a 5th for a 3rd. Give Kinkaid a little rope - he had the best season ever for a Bills TEnas a rookie and played on 2 and knees last year. Kinkaid should have made the catch on 4th down, so I’m not letting him off of that
While the bar is low, Kincaid's rookie year actually sucked.
He averaged a truly pathetic, RB-like 9 yards per catch with just 2 TD's. Which means he wasn't producing between the 20's OR the redzone.
Knox is not a great TE either but his 127.8 passer rating when targeted in 21' was 30 points higher than Kincaid's best. AND Knox had 9 TD's that year.
And if it seems like Kincaid just can't seem get past the sticks......it's because he can't. In the two prior years before Kincaid arrived a pass completed to Knox had a 58% likelihood to produce a first down. A completed pass to Kincaid has resulted in a first down just 44% of the time.
Dalton Kincaid has truly sucked so far. Sometimes it takes until year 3 for a TE to breakout but banking on it would be a mistake.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
Here's what Beane said on Benford yesterday:
Reading between the lines sounds to me like the two sides aren't close. I think Beane's MO is to offer his drafted players a hometown discount contract a year early, knowing that a lot of times they'll take it to mitigate injury risk in that final year. I would bet he offered one to Benford but Benford would rather bet on himself and maximize his value for next offseason.
It sucks not having CB1 solved for the long term while simultaneously not having any young CB talent in the pipeline, so I hope they can figure it out at some point. This will be the second offseason in 4 years that we're entering totally desperate at CB and last time it turned out poorly. Hopefully Beane learned his lesson and won't force anything, but there are 3 CBs that I think would be great picks in the 1st round.
The franchise tag for CB will be about $21M next offseason.
And the Bills will likely have the space to exercise that or the lesser($18M) transition tag.
So even if Benford really has a great year they can retain him for at least one more season and likely for less $ than the AAV would be on a new deal.
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29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
If anyone listens to the Shout podcast with Parrino and Talbot, I can’t see Calais Campbell name anymore without pronouncing it camp - bell in my head
There is a town pronounced Camp-bell and school system in the southern tier that is pronounced Camp-bell Savona. Talbot is a school teacher on the other side of the same boondocks of full of small schools and inevitably would hear that name a lot even if he wasn't working in the school system there.
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42 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I assume it’s in this thread somewhere but for folks who don’t know, his great-grandfather was one of Capone’s most brutal enforcers:https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-Bosa-is-great-grandson-Tony-Accardo-16802616.php
Yep and Jake Kumerow was genetically Jake Pyle. Some dude named Kumerow stole Palmer Pyle's valor.
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1 hour ago, jahnyc said:
The guy seems refreshingly genuine. Doesn't seem to have the entitled star attitude.
I know it was 28 pages ago.......but c'mon.😂 The Bosa's are some notoriously arrogant dudes. Not that anyone should give a sh!t that they are because it's ultimately a bloodsport played for our amusement but some Bills fans set the character bar so high and then when they find out they aren't perfect they turn on them. Violent game for violent people..........and he may turn out to be totally washed but he's always played the game violently. Needed trait for this defense.
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They should have signed Campbell numerous times. 2020, 2023, 2024. I tend to think he refuses to consider Buffalo because it makes no sense that they haven't acquired him at some point.
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1 hour ago, Simon said:
He wasn't bad either.
To clarify, he was really bad last year though. 123.9 passer rating? Yikes. And I can't remember seeing a 33 pff rating for a CB before. Seems purdy washed.
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Not many moments left per Joey. On his last nanner'.
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On 3/12/2025 at 7:20 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:
I love these trade ideas for the top superstars in the sport. Like "Maybe we can get Ja'Marr Chase"? I bet there's fans on other boards that say things like "any possibility we can get Josh Allen?".
Even amongst the players who are talked about being available for trade or request a trade - more often than not they aren't traded (see Myles Garrett and, to date, Trey Hendrickson). There hasn't been anything about Bosa. He's on Year 2 of a 5 year, 170m extension. A lot of these moves you're seeing San Fran do is so that they can hold on to Bosa, McCaffrey, and pay Purdy. They're not trading him. He's the face of their franchise and the best DE in Football.
Even if he was made available - we just paid Greg Rousseau an 80m extension. We just signed Joey Bosa for 12.6m. We just signed Michael Hoecht to a 24m 3 year deal. We wouldn't then pick up a 35m a year Defensive End and give up the insane amount of picks it would take, that we'll need to use at other positions, after already addressing Defensive End in Free Agency and Extensions. If we were going to do something like that, we wouldn't have made all 3 of those moves.
Nick Bosa the best DE in football? No. C'mon. That is clearly Myles Garrett. Garrett's consistent productivity is bordering on historically unique for the position at this point.
This is why you and @Warriorspikes51 are the polar opposites.........he believes in the unlikely and you unnecessarily exaggerate impossibilities using your own brand of hyperbole.
Like arguing contracts at face value and conflating the trade viability of a Jamar Chase and Josh Allen. Two clearly different categories of tradeability.
Taking the contrary position about trade possibilities or stars changing teams is generally going to be right but nonetheless these things happen with plenty of frequency. Wasn't that long ago that Joey Bosa signed his big deal or when nobody thought that Davante Adams, arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time, would be traded by Green Bay. Adams is on his 4th team now.
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1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
I'd say on a lower buy basis (avoiding guys like morse/brown/bease/sanders), and not counting any UDFAs (which are pure value because they're the cheapest players in the league)- some of the examples that come to mind as relative successes:
David Edwards
Taylor Rapp
Daryl Williams
Jon Feliciano
Quinton Spain
Yeah but those were all very established players over multiple years prior. Edwards was a 3+ year starter in LA and Rapp started at safety on their SB winning team. Daryl Williams was literally an All-Pro tackle with Carolina. Feliciano isn't in that category, he signed a low end starters deal by 2019 standard so not really a flyer. Spain had been a full time starter for the 3 years prior(he just wasn't in demand for character reasons which became evident just months after the Bills re-signed him the following offseason, unfortunately).
So Beane has hit on a few of his injury/character flyers.
But none of those were in the never-was-prior category. Like a Tyrod or Lorenzo Alexander in 2015, for instance. Finding talent that flourishes where it hadn't/couldn't elsewhere. I don't expect Pro Bowl and NFL DPOY contender type performances like Tyrod and Lorax had but one starter would be a start at least. Forrest only started for a partial season prior so I would put him in that category of found talent in the event that he pans out.
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Beane needs to bring in a few(or more) of these change-of-scenery types and hopefully one of them hits and they find a cheap starter or better. Free agency has been by far Beane's biggest weakness and this is one category where he's never really gotten much of anything. If memory serves correct, Ty Johnson is about the only cheap/talented but never-was-at-prior-stops types he has found in pro personnel in his prior 7 offseasons.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Honestly everything the Bills have done since they moved off Star should tell you fans might want a big tub of goo 350lbs space eater but the organisation doesn't. It wants guys even at 1T who can make plays in the backfield.
Yeah I remember when they wanted a big 1 tech to keep blockers off of their gigantic 6'5# 250# MLB when the league was nearing it's peak as a passing league............then as the league goes back to running the ball more they want two 3T tech types in the middle to allow their 220# MLB to be consumed by blockers and totally negate his elite blitzing ability.
This new defense better be damn creative because this counter-intuitive stuff that then subsequently doesn't work is getting a bit old.
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1 hour ago, since79 said:
Saw on X the 49er's thought they had him signed when they released Floyd. The Bills came in with a better offer. I believe his agent is Brian Ayrault who grew up in OP and was set up as an agent by Pegula. See Article... It may have helped in acquisition.
Likely just coincidental. I think Pegula has probably learned his lesson wrt dealing with agents. I doubt he had anything to do with that situation.
Todd France being cozy with Pegula is how Marcell Dareus got that unprecedented, no-personal-conduct-clause megadeal from Terry. Man, that was a costly lesson for Terry.
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Beane badly needs to nail these signings to show he has improved wrt pro personnel decisions. If this class is a bust.........I gotta' say it........it's a fireable offense. And I am far from his biggest critic. I thought he was getting wiser but this class looks like a big investment in a bunch of guys who all need to be better than they were last year to justify. It's hard to get *same* results but paying money that clearly anticipates BETTER production is not a formula for success in FA.
He's laid out a lot of money for Palmer, Hoecht, Bosa and Ogunjobi. Probably, collectively, double the aav they were expected to get on the market and that impacts future caps even though some people can't grasp the idea because they are fooled by the "1 year deal" aspect. Cap money spent now is cap money that could have been rolled over and therefore it is less that can be spent later.
That's why Beane's horrendous 2018 spending spree limited his flexibility in the early 2020's. It wasn't the covid year cap reduction that people tried to blame. Every team had to deal with that and contract values were depressed commensurately. It was horrendous signings like giving Star Lotuelei a 5 year $50M deal........and eventually paying out over $40M of that for 2 and a half seasons of mediocrity.......when Star was projected to get a 1 year $4M deal after a bad year in Carolina. That 2018 class was over $100M invested in garbage at a time when the cap was just $177M.
Beane doesn't have a good track record with these type of deals that look like over-pays. I'm quite surprised he's put his neck out there like this for this group. So they'd better hit.🤞
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16 minutes ago, MJS said:
I think it does happen. For sure. But I think it happens less than people think. You have a few instances that get out to the press, like this, and people use that to assume that most teams are doing it all the time. That's just a leap in logic and not supported by anything.
You can believe that, but there is very little evidence that it happens all the time. It is just a conspiracy theory that fans like to propagate.
I take the naive comment back. It's common sense that you lack.😂
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15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
You...you still believe in Santa Clause, don't you?
@MJS is just very naive. GM's can talk all they want to agents at any time. And no agent is going to reveal that they were discussing some pending UFA's contract or availability whether it's in November or the days just prior to the free agency tampering window. Kim Miale of Roc Nation is Stanley's agent. Either Stanley is trying to sabotage Ravens rivals and going rogue on his agent figuring he doesn't need her anymore or the teams attempted to go around her. Perhaps she and Stanley had a disagreement about him taking so much less to stay with Baltimore. But teams OBVIOUSLY tamper with pending free agents all the time.
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20 minutes ago, Logic said:
Yeah I think the biggest argument FOR the move is that it's a one-year deal which is significantly below market for a very good edge rusher.
Now obviously he has to stay healthy and prove that he still IS a very good edge rusher, but...
A one year deal for the amount of money he's making is what I'd classify as a low risk, high reward deal.
He continues to be injured and doesn't contribute much? Oh well, you still have the baseline of Rousseau, Epenesa, Hoecht, and Soloman, and you move on next year with no long term cap implcaitons.
But if he actually stays healthy and proves that he's still JOEY BOSA?! Then you just got in insane deal on a one year mercenary, and a head start on potentially re-signing him if that's a thing both sides want.
Low risk. High reward. Hard to hate on it.There are cap ramifications in subsequent years for all of these 1 year deals.
Because unused cap space can be rolled over.
If you don't spend it in 2025 you THEN have it to spend in 2026.
So these signings DO impact future spending capability. Even if Beane isn't tacking on void years to these deals to fit them under the cap now(which he might be).
The talk about there NOT being any impact on future cap situations reminds me of when Beane spent over $100M on trash in UFA in his first offseason. That spree is why the Bills couldn't get thru JA's first contract without being cap stressed.
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The success of Rousseau and Benford more than makes up for the bust picks of Basham and Elam..........but Beane should note that if he is drafting needy like that then he needs to keep taking 2 of them.
Beane has been terrible at pro personnel and hasn't gotten enough star players for our liking in the draft but I do appreciate some of his technique.
Polian, Butler and Donahoe used to drive me crazy with their decisions in the draft. I remember the 1995 draft was absolutely loaded with guard talent and the Bills were a mess on the OL. I felt they needed to come out of that with 2 of those studs. They got Ruben Brown but sat on their hands and drafted Todd Collins in round 2 instead of making a slight move up for one of a BUNCH of tremendous interior OL who were still on the board. You have to draft to the strength of that draft. And especially if you are doing so needily.