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Yep, he 100% tapped out on the 2024 season when he decided the toe sprain was going to be too much for him to play with in 2024 and possibly all the way until recently. I didn't say he "quit". That's where you've lied again. Just like you probably lied about knowing he was a standout in camp last year. Saying he just quit implies that no compelling reason was given as to why he couldn't continue. He offered a compelling reason. But he still tapped out. The question is if anyone in the NFL believes anything he says and if any of it is even worth answering his phone call after what he's BEEN. A non-factor for the last 3 years. You think teams should believe in him and give him a 4th chance or whatever he's on. You also believed him when he said he had a good camp......which wasn't true. I guess we could debate the definition of gullible next.

Josh Allen is the most O-Line friendly QB in the league. Even Mahomes and Lamar leave their O-lines more exposed to negative statistical outcomes. The Bills have very good tackles.......average-ish guards.......and a solid center. No elite performers. Allen, a commitment to the run game and the frequent use of a 6th OL make them perform at an elite level though.

Show me where I said Claypool quit on the Bills? He missed the entire season with an injury they called day-to-day until they abruptly IR'd him. You've misremembered something again and this time you could have just referenced it directly from this thread. He quit on the Bears. https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/chase-claypool-reveals-the-stupid-reason-he-basically-quit-in-chicago/ He was a malcontent "at best" in Pittsburgh. It got much worse in Chicago. And he then ended the Dolphins season with what sure looked like a no-f#cks given effort as @GunnerBill mentioned. This dude's career went south in the aftermath of that Steelers loss in Minnesota on November 27, 2021. That was a LONG time ago.

Oh so you are going to avoid your false claim that he was having an "outstanding camp"? 😂 OTA's. 😂

A lot of people have responded to this thread not reading the part where Barnwell explained that he adds more weight to the WR position than others. Which is how it should be. Of these 3 skill positions WR's are more able to impact the game individually. That's why they are the only one's who get paid premium level pay. And even then it's really just the boundary receivers who get that money.

As with MOST player criticism, the criticism is ultimately directed at the people who selected or paid or kept playing that player when they failed etc.. He was a reach for need. Day 3 talent but they needed a body at NT so Nix very carelessly used a borderline premium pick on him. Even though the pick of an under-sized NT was likely to look incredibly stupid regardless in an NFL landscape where good NT's were signing 1 year $4M type FA deals. Unburdened by the need to be proven right, the Bills then spoke in hushed tones about how good he would have been. He became a mythical beast. Hence, the nickname associated with the draft pick.

What reality is that? He was literally injured early in the first morning practice of camp. He missed the rest of the day. The toe injury "reportedly" happened just a few practices later, though it likely is what happened in that first practice. He didn't have an outstanding camp. He was on the sideline nursing an injury the team listed as "day to day" for 3 weeks then he got IR'd on August 16.

Injuries most definitely aren't why he went from being dealt for a high second round pick in 2022 to being a street free agent reaching for a life-line in the span of about 15 months. Very little injury in his NFL history really. He was a head-case in 2022 but should have lost any benefit of the doubt when he ghosted the Bears in-season in 2023. That was crazy. Typically only see something like that when a player is about to appear in a string of arrest/lawsuit stories. The Dolphins gave him another shot and he just went thru the motions. Only months later the Bills pick him up and fans expect him to be someone entirely different.

Again, the big issue with Dalton Kincaid was just that he was HORRENDOUS in the playoffs. Yeah he hasn't played up to expectations but his regular season play was pretty innocuous. They barely needed him in the regular season. I keep hearing the sob stories about his knee injuries.......well he must have been playing with two sprained hands in the playoffs because the issue wasn't his running it was that he couldn't catch the damn ball.

Yeah Hailee already had a better place. I guess Josh is an Encino man now. They will probably upgrade on that too.

There is always a risk when you put someone who isn't all-about-it in a locker room of a team whose goal is to be the best. He has shown he doesn't love football. He basically refused to play in Chicago. And has shown he didn't stand on business either. The way he let his career go when he was on the precipice of getting paid tens of millions of dollars by simply producing something resembling what he was in his first couple seasons to do it......is crazy. Players kinda' HAVE to be one or both of those things to endure in the NFL. IMO this is just a guy who is facing an identity crisis. He doesn't love the game but doesn't know what else to do. I think when ***** starts getting difficult he will tap-out again just like he did last year.

Glover was pretty awesome for a long time. At one time he was the best pass rushing DT in the NFL. 2000 NFC defensive player of the year. Member of the 2000's NFL all decade team. Teller had a very nice couple years but has been in decline. I don't think that one is particularly close but Teller was definitely one of Beane's day 3 HR's.

Yeah if Paup hadn't suffered that severe groin injury he would probably have put up several more seasons like his first in Buffalo. That takes me back to Butler passing on Jason Taylor in 1997. That would have been a great transition from Paup because after the injury Bryce was never the same.

Eh.....maybe but he ate up massive amounts of credibility by being a massive head case in the prior 2 NFL seasons. It was surprising the Bills gave him a shot. I don't think people like McBeane understand self-defeating personality disorders like Claypool clearly has because you rarely see people with issues like that reach the NFL. Being extraordinarily big and fast got him a long way but once he started getting criticized for his behavior on the field he decided he was going to withhold commitment to the game and that f#cked his career but good.

People most remember Thurman in the playoffs for losing his helmet in SB XXVI. Random fans were still making jokes about that 20+ years later. Not so much the big games in the XXV or the Chiefs AFCCG or even the crippling fumble and his pouting on the bench in SB XXVIII. His last 3 SB's he rushed 37 times for a pitiful 69 yards and had 4 fumbles. Brutal. The OL didn't show up for those games either and that kinda' illustrates my point about RB's.

Urb is a middle name. Honest is the first name.

Yeah I will also admit to having a bias against RB numbers because they are SO reliant on those around them. I was talking about "premium" positions on TSW when the idea really hadn't been established in the NFL vocabulary yet. It's obvious that edge/island positions are more able to impact games with one-on-one dominance and those stats generally reflect more "individual" impact than those accumulated by a RB who needs so many things around them to go right to be great. See 2023 Giants Saquon versus 2024 Eagles Saquon. DE is a premium position. Strahan is the 10th leading sacker all-time. Thomas is the 16th leading rusher. In the postseason Strahan played better than he did in the regular season. Thurman in the playoffs was about the same player he was on any given Sunday, statistically. He had the great SB XXV and the awful XXVIII.

Yeah Revis over Kelly I don't agree with. The rest on your list I all consider no contest wins over the Bills option. Even Strahan over Thurman. Strahan set the single season sack record. Thurman never did anything like that. And I just can't give the nod to Tasker over an every down stud like Trey Smith. Tasker was more fun to watch, I will give him that. Peyton Manning over Bruce and OJ.........I can get with that logic in that what really made them great was their bulk numbers. Manning won a couple of SB's but he was only a good player in the NFL for one of those so it's largely a battle of 3 of the greatest stat accumulators in NFL history.

Yeah Moulds quit on the team in a game in Miami in 2005 because Lee Evans was getting the ball and not him. It was craziness and they ended up blowing a sizable lead with Moulds refusing to re-enter the game in the second half. That was the beginning of the end of his complicated career in Buffalo. He was a real screwball. Speaking of "balls" here is @eball throwing hate at ol' Mouldsy for demanding/forcing a trade out of Buffalo

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45597769/picking-best-nfl-draft-picks-ever-every-slot-common-era-1967-2024 Interesting article. The highlighted are my added notes to the ESPN story.........so here are the Bills and some Bills related one's with 3 McBeane related all-time picks mentioned right in round 1 and some actual McBeane greatest picks later in the draft: 7. Adrian Peterson, RB (2007) The last non-quarterback to win the MVP award, Peterson led the league in rushing yardage three times in his career: 2008, 2012 and 2015. "All Day" was my pick over Champ Bailey, but watch out for Josh Allen. He and Peterson have the same number of MVP trophies and Super Bowl appearances ... for now. (Allen will own this spot soon and probably deserves it already IMO). 10. Patrick Mahomes, QB (2017) Our first active player is Mahomes, who somehow easily clears Rod Woodson, Terrell Suggs and Marcus Allen despite being maybe halfway through his career. A two-time MVP, three-time Super Bowl champ and three-time Super Bowl MVP, Mahomes will likely build a compelling argument for being the greatest quarterback ever by the time his career is done. (McDermott dealt this pick to KC and ended up with Tre White and the 1st round pick they then traded up from to select Tremaine Edmunds) 22. Justin Jefferson, WR (2020) Thank goodness there were no Hall of Famers to snub with the 22nd pick, making Jefferson an even easier selection for me. Never forget that Jefferson holds the record for most receiving yards through two seasons of a player's career (3,016) -- as well as through three seasons (4,825), four seasons (5,899) and five seasons (7,432). Guess which record he'll hold at the end of this year? (acquired pick as part of the exchange with McBeane for Stefon Diggs) 42. Rob Gronkowski, TE (2010) Four Super Bowl rings. Four first-team All-Pro appearances. A uniquely dominant prime as a pass-catching tight end with elite blocking ability. (The Buddy Nix Bills selected the Troupacabra instead of the local product) 70. Fred Warner, LB (2018) Easy pick here, as Warner will go down as the best linebacker of this decade and one of the best linebackers ever. (unfortunate that Warner ended up being so much better than Edmunds and the Bills traded a second rounder to move UP to get Edmunds) 73. Jason Taylor, DE (1997) Another Hall of Famer was also selected at pick No. 73 in Bears DT Steve McMichael, but it's tough to hold a candle to Taylor. A winner of Defensive Player of the Year (2006) and Walter Payton Man of the Year (2007), Taylor had both a dominant prime and a long stretch of viable play. (This one hurt me to my core during that 1997 draft......the Bills picked Marcellus Wiley over him. Wiley was a nice player but Taylor was the HR pass rushing OLB they desperately needed for that defense. It was a frustrating stretch in the 1990's where John Butler did not take advantage of the abundance of quality 2nd and 3rd round pass rushers available to 3-4 teams. This one hurt double because Taylor became a Bills killer.) 75. Russell Wilson, QB (2012) Tough break for OT Terron Armstead, who is one of the best third-round picks ever but isn't better than this Super Bowl-winning, Walter Payton Man of the Year-winning quarterback. (Russ is kind of a joke now but he was one of the best in the league for a long time. Buddy Nix famously traded up to take the awful TJ Graham at 69 thinking he could get Wilson in the 4th round. What an a$$clown of a strategist he was. https://billswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2020/07/22/buffalo-bills-david-lee-claims-wanted-draft-russell-wilson-dak-prescott/79402255007/) 86. Andre Reed, WR (1985) Another odd density of Hall of Famers, as pick No. 86 carries Reed, Rams OT Jackie Slater and Saints kicker Morten Andersen. Reed is an easy selection for his seven straight Pro Bowls and 16-year NFL career, 15 of which were in Buffalo. Don't worry -- my kicker picks come later. (Finally the Bills have a winner. The best 86th overall ever. I gotta agree. Jackie Slater is tough to beat though he was also great). 111. Terrence McGee, CB (2003). (A win for team Donahoe. We are at the stage of the draft now where there are some not-great all-timers mixed in with HoF types). 134. Kyle Williams, DT (2006) (Levy/Modrak struck gold with the pick traded to Houston for Eric Moulds). 148. Khalil Shakir, WR (2022) ( Khalil may never live up to the @Alphadawg7 hype but what he's done is good enough to be the best 148 ever. McBeane's 1st official win but Allen will eventually be the best #7 overall.) 171. Gary Anderson, K (1982) (I guess this win for Buffalo would be Norm Pollam and the rest of the strong but largely forgotten group of scouts that Chuck Knox brought to Buffalo from his Rams days. Greatest kicker pick ever according to article and foreshadowed in the Andre Reed pick write up. This one sticks hard in the craw of one @BUFFALOBART who still holds Anderson in great disdain for intentionally failing his way off of the Bills roster) 185. Christian Benford, CB (2022) ( That's 2 all-timer day 3 draft picks for McBeane. Fingers crossed his brains aren't scrambled from those concussions and can have a long career.) 253. Roland Hooks, RB (1975) (The pickings were slim at 253 apparently. Certainly the most unlikely Bill to find on this list.) 255. Don Majkowski, QB (1987) (The Buffalo born Magic Man looked like the real deal there for a brief time.)

Yep. DP LePew's no-longer-big-league ability and the joyless demeanor he brings with it runs contrary to the competitive, energized environment you want in the clubhouse during a marathon season. He doesn't deserve a roster spot based on ability and everyone knows it. From the top down. And that renders the competition aspect a sham. Even if it's largely an illusion, you have to make it seem like playing time is based on merit. He's been washed for 3 years now. Last year they literally fake-IR'd him in September because they knew they had to get their competitive edge back for the playoffs and it was hard to do with a worn out free loader on board. Every time they bring him back from the IL in May it's like replacing the gatorade with melatonin.

Unfortunately his actual job is playing who Cashman wants him to play. That's really why Girardi got fired......he had too many opinions on the players he was given(most notably on Hary Snatchez......who, as it turns out, just sucked and wasn't worth pandering to). Hal and Cashman have proven that they don't care about these annual Buffoone swoone's. I would love to see what a guy like Bruce Bochy or Dusty Baker or Terry Francona could do with the Yankees job. Instead, if they ever cave to the pressure during one of these swoone's it will lead to Rojas getting elevated from being a terrible 3rd base coach back to a major league manager. He may be Felipe Alou's son but once you get 9-10 shots in maybe they just start landing farther from the tree. If they fire Buffoone it will be for another yes man.

I don't know if he's can't miss yet but the furor became justifiable when he started hitting 98 on the gun. The Schlitt show will probably get an early debut date now with the Schmidt show going to the IL with forearm stiffness.

I disagree with much of what you said here. I suppose if you didn't know who Patrick Mahomes was prior to that draft season you can forgive their stupidity. But there was a Mahomes train that had been rolling on TSW since around June of 2016. @thebandit27 was the leader but I was all on board........as I always was with them finally just standing pat or trading up from their first pick to select the best QB on the board. And I was not in on Watson at all. @GunnerBill was a big Watson fan and if DeShaun's personal life hadn't undone him he likely remains elite as well, IMO. But it was Mahomes or bust for me at that point. So to pass on him and give him to the Chiefs was just idiotic and exasperating. And I always felt that he did his buddy Andy Reid a solid even though he should have been more cautious about helping a team in conference, whether he viewed them as a rival or not. The argument that Mahomes wasn't a "sure prospect" so the Bills should be excused for passing on him then just ENTIRELY discredits what the Bills did selecting not "sure prospects" Josh Allen 7th or the Ravens did selecting not "sure prospect" Lamar Jackson 32nd. It's not a valid defense unless you want to give the Bills no credit for their Josh Allen decision. And no, Beane was not at his best in his first year. The 2018 free agent class he signed was his worst. $100M for next to nothing. It basically caused the cap woes they suffer from today. It created the Bills need to push cap debt into the future at one of the highest levels in the league. Beane's pro personnel work was mostly bad that first 12 months. The Josh Allen pick was the best draft pick in Bills history, IMO. But would I have preferred to have that 1st and 2nd round pick used on something other than Tremaine Edmunds in hindsight? Hell yes. I could go on but you're just wrong about him being at his best. His first year on the job was largely a real on-the-job struggle story aside from Allen.

The biggest crime was trading the pick to an AFC rival when they themselves needed a QB. Utter stupidity. The Chiefs were a team they were literally battling with for a final playoff spot for the Marrone/Rex era. Getting Josh Allen in the next draft is probably the closest thing US pro sports has seen in prior recent memory to the Dallas Mavericks Nico Harrison lucking out and getting Cooper Flagg after stupidly trading away Luka Doncic. It was a huge save and though it was lucky to get the most talented QB at #7 overall........a guy who would have gone #1 overall in a lot of prior drafts on tools alone........Beane deserves credit for doing the common sense thing and actually going all-in on a QB prospect. By that I mean selecting a QB with their first #1 pick in the draft or trading up from that pick to do so. Something, astonishingly, that the Ralph Wilson era Bills never did. But because they traded Mahomes to the Chiefs they created their biggest road block to ever reaching a SB with Allen. It's certainly cost them 2-4 trips already. Just a brutal reminder of how important first steps can sometimes be.