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@Alphadawg7 digs in on things and ends up having to spiral into totally indefensible, illogical places to defend his takes. It starts with him not owning up to an error or falsehood that he posted and then proceeds to saying insane things and finishing everything with a peace-out hoping you won't call him on it. And he will keep replying trying to get the last word even if it means finishing 10 posts with peace outs. Honestly it gets hilarious if you know enough not to take it seriously. I give him credit for persistence but he really should take the gaslighting and denial of facts to the political arena. Most of us are here because we are trying to avoid that kind of crap. 😂 This current WR corps has a poor long term track record, it has a poor recent track record. But we were having this same argument with the same people last year who were saying MVS and Claypool were going to re-discover themselves. There isn't a lot of proof of concept with these players like there was with that 2023 room with Diggs and Davis coming off putting up 2K yards. And even then it was obvious they weren't doing enough at the position.

There is a lot more to being a great QB than just passing the ball. Allen won the MVP largely because it was perceived that he won in spite of a lack of talent around him. Herbert is a tremendous passer but his deficiencies show up in the win column not in the passing stats columns. You showed your ignorance of the situation when you presumed that Palmer didn't have at least equal opportunity to perform in the passing game in LA. Just do a little research so you aren't posting bogus trash. The Chargers play at least 8-10 games indoors every season and Herbert consistently throws for more yards per game than Allen. Truth.

It's going to be hard to avoid turnovers anywhere close to that again. Allen literally fumbled and lost it on the first offensive series of the season versus Arizona and then the turnovers just didn't happen anymore. What IS aligning for them being able to thrive is their tremendously easy looking schedule. Per Sharp analysis 5th easiest in the NFL. The problem is winning in the playoffs though. They've sort of become the Marty Schottenheimer Chiefs in the playoffs. But that's just how pedestrian their offensive weapons have been in the playoffs/clutch.

You are doing exactly as I described. Moving the target to wherever you think the arrow landed. But you are in good company. Beane and McDermott have done this plenty of times as well.

Herbert threw for more yards, had a higher completion %, a lower INT% and a higher passer rating than Josh Allen did last year. For his career, which includes 4 years with Josh Palmer, Herbert throws for 30+ more yards per game than Allen. And Josh Palmer has played 9 or more games per year in a dome environment. What you call "thinking" is your feels.

We grade the level of discourse on TSW by how late in the offseason the thinking is. By June people start thinking Trent Edwards will go from unplayable to being capable of running a no-huddle offense. Or that Tavon Austin's comeback is actually going to work! The insanity used to rationalize how perceived issues don't exist gets CRAZY. If you don't know EXACTLY what the problems are after watching the team play 20 games.....when how things actually work on the field in the NFL is fresh in your mind....... then you just aren't seeing the game.

Pretty clear? It's hindsight versus hope. We can look at 2023 in hindsight. 2025 we can only go off what we've seen recently from these guys. Which ain't much by comparison to that group at this time in 2023. There isn't anyone in the 2025 room who is expected to be even remotely as good as Diggs was at this time in 2023 coming off a monster season. Or even Davis who had fallen short of the Pro Bowl expectations put on him by guys like Emmanuel Sanders but was still coming off 836 with 7 TD's and over 17 yards per catch! TSW WR room apologists were all jacked up that Shakir was going to be the next Stefon Diggs. And because Sherfield was told by his WR coach in SF that he was better than Brandon Aiyuk. And that Harty was going turn his 500 yard 15.8 yard per catch 2021 into a monster season, like just a fluke injury in 2022 had held him back. I mean all that hype turned into a load of horsesh!t. Every one of the vets fell short of their expected performance and Shakir was just a bit part with some unexpected dropsies. There is no guarantee this group will be any better so claiming a W versus a group that projected much higher at the time than this group is reaching.

You don't have to be "afraid" of a player to recognize that you need to defend deep against a guy who put up 1250 yards, over 17 per reception with an average depth of target over 14 yards in 2023. Prior to that teams had begun squatting on the short to intermediate stuff and daring the Bills to throw deep. The combination of a lack of a proven threat, Allen not being in sync with Hollins on deep balls early and Coleman having a very slow start made their passing game toothless against Baltimore, Houston and NYJ. And Cooper did make some key plays. They likely don't hand KC it's only legit loss of the regular season if Cooper doesn't come up big downfield in that game. The harbinger of concern became how little separation Cooper was getting when he and Allen were connecting. As has happened with older Beane acquisitions like Emmanuel Sanders and Leonard Floyd they got diminishing performance as the season went on. The prior season with Flacco, Cooper was getting a step beyond those defenders when he blew up down the stretch. Cooper is one of the more explosive WR of this era. I think he has the second most 200 yard games all-time?

Yeah I'm just sharing relevant national content from a person who uses data to form his opinions. Mister Salty likely thinks Aaron Schatz is an ESPN panel talking head. DVOA is a highly regarded statistical tool. The fact that it's just yet another example of an argument that doesn't really support Beane's notion that it's idiotic to think the WR room is of any concern isn't shared by people who are providing unbiased opinions based on data. Nobody claims it's definitive proof, just more content in the appropriate topic. WR is not the only concern.........banking on improvement over the prior years performance from literally every defensive free agent signing is a sketchy proposition. As is relying on early round DL talent to make a big difference in year 1. But on paper WR looks weak AF relative to other top contenders.

FWIW: From today's ESPN+ article on teams biggest remaining need by Aaron Schatz (formerly football outsider and creator of DVOA): Buffalo Bills Position of need: Outside wide receiver Keon Coleman had a quietly efficient rookie season. Although he missed four games due to injury and had only 29 catches for 556 yards with four touchdowns, Coleman ended with an excellent receiving DVOA of 11.4% -- ranked 30th out of 91 qualifying receivers. The Bills added Joshua Palmer in free agency; he's a useful player with an average DVOA and back-to-back seasons of at least 580 receiving yards. But there's no clear No. 1 option and very little depth behind Coleman and Palmer. The next three receivers -- Khalil Shakir, Curtis Samuel and Elijah Moore -- are slot options. The third-best outside option is probably seventh-round pick Kaden Prather. The Bills should consider bringing Amari Cooper back, if just for depth purposes. General manager Brandon Beane might be OK with the wide receiver depth, but it's not optimal.

Gabe Davis was a failure as a WR2 in Buffalo and a disaster as WR2 in Jacksonville. Bad hands, a route tree that got figured out quickly once they handed him the job, a propensity for mental errors that resulted in a ton of interceptions and critical incompletions in key moments after he became the starter. Wrong way Gabe. On top of that Gabe Davis finished his career in Buffalo injured and left Jacksonville injured. You act like he's healthy in his prime and hasn't put two straight years of sh!t on tape. If it's hard for you to understand you haven't thought it thru. What they need are WR1 and WR2 types. They failed to get that done but in lieu of that the logical thing to do was to draft someone on day 2 or early day 3 to develop on a 4 year rookie contract so they don't have to keep overspending for Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer types in perpetuity.

I get a kick out of the people who always insist that whatever sh!tty seats they have are the best place to watch the game from so this thread has been fun. Virgil had a particular area request but people gotta' chime in about areas he's not interested in. "Endzone is best" 😂 But the reality is that the closer to midfield is obviously best for seeing the whole field.........and since the front row in the new stadium is about 12' off of ground level as opposed to like 5' it is in the current stadium.........there are no more of those badly obstructed lower seats where the clowns that ham for the camera but can't actually tell what's going on on the field sit. So @Virgil if you can get halfway up the lower bowl and between the 30's that's a great seat for being able to see the whole field and have horizontal and vertical perspective etc..

Not sure if this was @Billsfed1's intention but the exercise really underscores the fact that none of Beane's acquisitions this offseason project as difference makers in 2025.

Yeah, if the Bills reach the playoffs again this season this will basically be year 3 of Joe Brady's "everybody eats" in the playoffs. The formula has worked at regular season intensity. It's even been very good at home against vastly inferior competition in the wild card rounds. But when the competition is legit and the game is on the line will Josh Palmer be getting open against that Chiefs or Ravens CB when they are playing like their life depends on it? I suspect not. That's when the difference makers do their thing. When push literally comes to shove the Bills top WR's have got shoved on their a$$ and Palmer totally fits the mold physically. Palmer is not exceptionally fast. He's not exceptionally physical. He's played just one playoff game but was rendered totally ineffective. He caught 2 balls on 6 targets for 30 yards despite playing basically every snap. That's why the Bills should have been all over DK Metcalf. He is playoff tested and proven. Big, physical, fast. Traits that still play when the opponent is giving 100% effort and intensity. As for Mack.......he played the most snaps of any Bills WR with 66%. So he was out there in all situations. Also had their highest passer rating when targeted at 118. Palmer is getting the Sharty-Sherfield effect........a lot more credit for his outlook than his track record warrants.