starrymessenger

No stone left unturned in Carolina.

oh if only Lamar had a cannon hanging from his right shoulder…yeah but he doesn’t and never will. Case closed. Its really that simple (and obviously I like Lamar a lot and never for a moment thought that he is not a NFL QB). Josh makes Diggs and everybody else so much better. If they are big talents already he makes them as good as possibly they can be. Thats why WRs would want to play for the Bills. Thats why I think even an aging star like E.Sanders could break !000 yards this year (esp if Beas is a no show). Everything we’ve heard about Josh getting even better is absolutely true IMO. As good as he is now he is clearly still ascending. Its getting to the point where there are no weaknesses in his game and no gameplan to contain him.

Not wanting to see Watson in Miami has nothing to do with fear. Realistically its just a sober assessment that our path is more difficult the better the competition in AFCE becomes. Its already going to be hard enuf to win a championship. People are discounting what Watson could bring to that team, maybe because they dont think he will wind up there. And his not winding up there would be my preference for sure. We had our hands full beating Fitz at times. Watson is without question an elite playmaker at the all important position. He would transform that offence IMO.

If Watson settles with the ladies admitting no wrongdoing but just to put this behind him I don’t quite see why or how he gets a suspension. However this resolves I sure dont want to see him in Miami.

Can you get all-22 in jail?

Smith vs Munoz. A clash of mighty opposites.

Diggs being younger has the extra gear and true he’s probably more talented than ES has ever been. He’s #1 and I doubt Sanders beats Jackson for that TD the way Diggs was able to do for example. But they are both outstanding route runners. ES’s footwork is as good as it gets. They both have quickness and good wheels. They are both pretty fearless. They have very good hands. They have a deep understanding of coverages. I think ES may have a big year with Allen throwing him the ball. I think I see why they wanted him. If all goes well, the Bills will have a devastating passing attack this year with Allen pulling the trigger.

I’ve also got my eye on ES this year. I think he gives Allen another target almost of the same quality as Diggs, who he resembles a lot IMO. Bills passing attack could be an awesome destructive force if firing on all cylinders with Allen standing there in the gun.

I think he can definitely play outside - he’s not slow, he has strong hands, he has at all times excellent spatial awareness, uses his size well to block out the DB, etc… Thing is he can play underneath too and I fully expect the OC to have him running slants, curls and comebacks (something he does well intuitively) as well as the deeper routes. His versatility adds greatly to his value. Right now I think Sanders is a much better receiver all round IMO. But Gabe is just getting started.

A lot. Bruce Smith is very much in the discussion as the best to play at that premium position. That automatically makes him one of best players to ever walk on a football field.

The great HoFmer Anthony Munoz told Boomer that he would kill him if he didn’t stop trash talking Bruce because he was the one having to deal with the fallout. ’

If you are into pigeonholing within positional groups Gabe sort of falls between 2 chairs. Not a classic outside guy and not a typical over the middle underneath type guy (though thats where he thinks the majority of his targets going forward will be). I’m not into pigeonholing. I just think he’s versatile and a very useful piece for Allen and Dabol. I’m liking this receiver group a lot. Sure hope Beas gets his head straight. He’s a hell of a football player.

Idk except I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Robert Royal. Long time fans seem to like Metzalaars. I don’t think the Bills have ever had a much above average TEs. Charles Clay could have been the guy but his career was compromised by injuries.

Agree. If after a couple of years in the system Knox can’t produce in spite of his athleticism then there is a real problem. Especially the drops. Our pass catchers are very good but in reality the largest part of their success is due entirely to Josh Allen. Even Diggs is much better because of what Josh can do for and with him. Josh Allen has not been able to make Knox better. Time is running out.

Not only did Damien Wilson not know where he was, he didn’t know he should be somewhere.

I’ve been annoyed with Sherman’s antics at times, especially on field post game interviews, but I attribute this to the level players have to psyche themselves up in an ultra competitive environment. He’s no Ali or Berra but he does have some great quotes. My fav? Asking a scowling Tom Brady after a Super Bowl loss “You mad bro?” Classic, lol. Hope this isn’t too serious.

In fairness I think the two have a lot more in common than just physical build. They clearly also have similar attributes for playing the position. I’m not saying Herbert is a better runner than Allen but based on 2020 Herbert ran about half as often as Allen, gained half as many yards, had exactly 1/2 the number of +20 yard runs and had almost exactly the same average yrds per carry as Josh. Regarding intangibles/competitiveness, teams (read “Dolphins”) misjudged Herbert. He was thought to be too laid back to lead the way you want your QB to lead, but he proved that assessment to be entirely incorrect. Even then I don’t know that he can be as competitive as Josh but clearly leadership is not a weakness in his game. Herbert has an excellent arm capable of reaching any spot on the field. It may not be Josh’s arm but its not far off and clearly better than all but a handful of starting NFL QBs. As another poster has said, Herbert had the benefit of grooming in a big school programme. I would add that he had a much better roster to work with when he broke into the league than Josh did. Not surprising therefore if he had a better rookie year. Though record setting, there was quite a bit of unevenness to his performance in 2020. He struggled sometimes in he second half, especially against Ds good against the pass (Bills, Patriots) and although he had a good last game against KC, Andy Reid rested his starters, including I believe most if not all of his starting DBs. Right now Herbert has a lot more to prove than Allen. He needs to show that, like Allen, he can get better year over year. So there is risk there meaning that if anyone took him ahead of Allen based on what we know now, that person would probably be making a big mistake. Fact remains though that Herbert looks awfully good and chances are he will establish himself as a franchise guy IMO.

To me they are very close if comparing metrics. Josh did slightly better in agility drills and ball velocity. Herbert had a better vert, long jump and 40 time but again pretty close. They are almost clones. I do feel that Allen is a more dominating/intimidating presence on the football field but we will see how Herbert makes out this year.

You certainly have a point insofar as measurables are concerned. I knew he did well and greatly improved his draft stock but did not realize how close Herbert’s combine scores were to Allen’s. They are both great athletes and really quite comparable that way it would appear. Its also the case that Herbert’s athleticism, like Josh’s, translated really well to his on field play last year. Herbert’s spectacular first year was obviously better than Josh’s, though Allen was better than him last year. Herbert’s play also slackened off somewhat down the stretch, whereas if the Bills didn’t quite make it in 2020 it was not because of Allen who continued to be a main difference maker on the team viz the Colts game for example. With a year of tape on him you have to wonder whether defences will start to adjust/catch up. Given his great rookie year the bar has been set very high, perhap0s unreasonably so. Allen’s performance curve has continued to rise year over year since he entered the league and I don’t see where having lots more tape on him is going to make much of a difference in defending against him.

Agree. I like Herbert a lot and I’m pretty sure he will develop nicely. They can probably go a long way with him at the helm (glad he’s not in Miami) BUT he can’t do all Allen can do (few if any can). Allen OTOH can do anything that Herbert can do. Allen is the greater athlete and the point is his superior athleticism translates increasingly well to the live action as his unique physical skills are harnessed and adapted to the requirements and possibilities of playing the position at a high level, giving him the edge in any comparison. So IMO Herbert is a great prospect but our guy is a cut above. With a little luck and a championship or two under his belt Allen may well wind up in the HOF. I think he’s that good.

Josh is big, fast and feisty. In the open field and with a head of steam I wouldn’t want to get in his way (not sure I’d want to get into Moss’s way either). My question for you, better expressed, was whether you think Allen would be more productive than Moss or Motor if he actually lined up as a running back, as they do. I’m not sure he would put up better numbers playing behind our line. Many of his open field opportunities come from essentially broken plays where the opposing defence was set up to stop the pass. The RBs don’t get those opportunities. I think Lamar would be a very good tailback but then I don’t consider him elite as a QB (though I’m not saying he’s not a QB).

I’m not sure I would agree that Allen is the best rusher on the team, even if he has to date wound up being the most effective. For sure he’s a much better runner than Moss or Singletary are QBs though.

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree. I was going to mention in my original post that two things were missing in (at least my) comparison of Edmunds and Taylor: 1) Straight line speed is nice but does Edmunds have anything like Taylor’s burst off the line and 2) does he possess the insane motor that Taylor had? I don’t know the answer to those questions because I’ve not seen Edmunds line up like Taylor. You seem to think you know and maybe you do. And maybe that explains why McD has not gone there. As for agility I thought (haven’t checked) that Edmunds did well in agility drills. I wasn’t implying that Tremaine was in the same league as possibly the greatest defensive player of all time, just that his physical and possibly mental attributes as well might be better suited to the outside. And if he had 3/4 of the burst and motor Taylor had along with Tremaine’s other skills he might be very good in that position.

I think its possible that McD is being a little stubborn. I also think its possible, and indeed more likely, that he knows exactly what he’s doing. I don’t see it but so what. I’m just a fan.

I agree. Would you play Lawrence Taylor inside and ask him to quarterback the defence? I sure wouldn’t, and neither did Parcells. Tremaine is bigger and taller than Taylor was and his 40 time is down to the hundredth of a second as fast. He’s all round a ridiculous specimen and athlete. I think he’d be better suited to a more aggressive role on the edge. He’s not Luke but maybe he could be more like Lawrence. Seems obvious to me but I guess Coach knows best.