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I think Hyatt is at high risk of busting. I would not draft him.

Hard to argue too much against this pick, because imo it would be a good one. Thing is though this is a strong draft at the RB position and so the Bills might be better served picking one later in the draft, maybe rounds four or five. There are some good big possibly three down between the tackles backs with speed that could be available and who could complement Cook well.

How do you feel about Steve Avila? Has guard/centre versatility. Good in pass pro. Mobile and quick.

I voted for Addison. I think he's by far the best WR in this class for the Bills and a legit first round value. He could come in and immediately take the WR 2 role. A couple of years down the road he could grow into a # 1. Most of the WR in this class are pure slot guys, like JSN. I think Shakir is our slot guy going forward, and he will be a good one. Addison played 75% of his snaps at USC on the outside. That will come down in the pros but he remains a vertical threat. Among the few big bodied WRs, QJ won't be there imo (if he was I might take him because of his crazy high ceiling) or are of uncertain rd 1 value. Everybody's favourite vertical threat, Jalen Hyatt, might be there, but he is a very risky pick. Ran only three or four routes in college, all vertical, skinny post, go, wheel route, and was schemed up for a free release all day long in the Vols O. That's not happening in the pros where he will be pressed and jammed by physical DBs. I wouldn't draft him. Addison is high value and a very safe pick. Dont know how needs will be prioritized in the Bills draft but if we don't go WR early there are, like the running backs, some good ones who may fall out of rds 1 or 2. I think Marvin Mims could be there in the third or maybe the Bama monster.

Torrence is the # 1 IOL in the minds of many analysts, and some would say it's not even close. He's a road grader in the run game and he did not allow a single sack in college. He's been mocked to the Bills but there may be a suitability issue in that though he anchors well in pass pro and has quick, agile feet for a man weighing 340 pounds, there isn't much there in the way of lateral mobility. Depending upon what exactly Kromer wants to do, Steve Avila, who could just be there in the second for us might actually be a better choice. Also Torrence is a guy who really needs to watch his weight. Rumour has it he's weighed as much as 400 pounds. And premium guards can bust. Greg Robinson who went maybe second overall and was felt to be a generational talent busted completely in large measure because he could not transition to the pro game. Coming from a college spread offense he couldn't play out of the typical pro set three point stance. Torrence played in a spread offence. Whoever drafts him better make sure he can do what GR could not.

Packers have a good ream. If they want to compete in 2023 they make nice with AR and find him a #1 receiver, like the one he had before. Who knows, maybe Hop (if he's still a # 1 receiver).

We will all be interested observers when # 27 is on the clock. It may show whether a new commitment to the O is in the cards. We need WR and O-line help and, probably, also with the running back position if DS walks, which I expect he will. Of course if Poyer and Tremaine also sign with other teams we will have important holes to fill at safety and LB. The safety position is especially concerning since it has been a strength of the D but Hyde is getting up there in years and who knows if Hamlin will ever be able to play again. Maybe Benford can transition maybe not. I think I would try hard to finalize a team friendly contract with Poyer if at all possible. I would not be completely surprised if when we pick both Addison (WR) and Johnson (S) are on the board. Either one would be an outstanding pick at a position of need. My feeling is that McD would want the safety and that defensive players are perhaps graded more highly than equivalent players on offence talent-wise on the Bill's board. If instead a receiver is taken in the first (or a IOL or OT) it may indicate the change in emphasis going forward that some fans are hoping to see. Of course FA and possibly trades might answer a lot of questions even before we get to the draft.

Don't know that guy would be there at 27. But if McD feels the irresistible need for a first round linebacker to replace Edmunds, at least the guys he would likely be picking from can all get after the QB.

I actually want to see him in another system. Nor should they. He's a good back but the draft is very strong for RBs. Beane should be able to find another in the later rounds who will be just as good and cheaper.

Josh regressed at times this year. Of course the easy thing to do is blame the player when he underperforms. The point is that as great a player as he can be Josh is fully capable of underperforming at times. His instincts can tend towards sandlot hero ball antics. He absolutely needs to be coached and imo coached hard. To me it doesn't seem like Dorsey can do that. Imo Daboll could. Since, as you seem to agree, McD and Frazier are defensive coaches I don't know how emphasis on the offence, if it even happens, would have good chances of being successful. Who is going to build this thing?

McD and Frazier do not appear to do offence. They are both defensive specialists. Their OC doesn't seem to do it well either. If developing the offence is the way forward I don't have the confidence right now that this staff can do it now that Daboll is gone.

Looking at this year's draft (and FA) I think Beane has an opportunity to make changes that can help right the ship but he needs to find starters and potential impact players at the top of the draft, say the first 3 rounds. IMO these picks should lay the foundation for a change in direction and football philosophy. The players you want and need are there to be picked but it certainly would help to have some luck in having your targets be available to you. All the teams are competing for these most desirable assets. Addison has been mocked to the Bills. Pick him at 27 and your WR problems insofar as talent is concerned should be resolved. Addison is DeShaun Jackson. I'll take that any day. Most of the best WRs in this draft are pure slot guys. We don't need another slot receiver to start. I think Shakir could prove good enuf and very good indeed if used properly. Addison is versatile, fast and sufficiently gifted with ball skills to have productive reps on the outside as a deep threat. He can also take the top off a D running intermediate depth routes in the middle of the field. In the second round it's just possible that you could land Jack Clark to replace the departing Edmunds. I think he will be a terrific player even if you need to cheat a bit in covering the deeper zones on passing downs to occasionally help him out. If you get to do something like that in the first two rounds you have greatly improved both sides of the ball. It needn't really be those particular guys either. They could replace Edmunds with Trenton Simpson in the first if he's there. There will be promising IOL prospects in the second, maybe Steve Avila who has centre/guard versatility. In the third Marvin Mims, a guy I'm very high on as a legit # 2 WR could still be hanging around. The point is simply that there are plenty of players in the draft that could do the Bills a lot of good, but Beane needs to hit on them early. And there would be, depending on the position, good players available in the later rounds. The RB group is very strong and there are bigger between the tackles short yardage backs but with with wheels who should be there in the fifth. For this reason and also because of other priorities I would pass on Bijan if there even though he's a great player and would take some of the heat off Josh, who thankfully would no longer be RB 1. Needless to say, Beane can also look to improve the roster through FA and possibly trades. What I wouldn't want to see is Beane/McD showing everybody how smart they are like they did in the third round last year. If they pick Andrew Vorhees in the first I'll be buying a new TV day after. My expectation though is that this Bills brain trust will probably look to fill holes in a piecemeal fashion, in other words run it back. I don't believe that this coaching staff is capable of implementing a strategic shift, so it's maybe just as well. If so the result is likely to not be good enough, once more.

I don't think Diggs has ever complained about Josh's passes not being receiver friendly. Stephon Diggs basically catches everything. I've seen him dig that laser out of his chest, make the adjustments necessary when ball placement is not great but the pass is still catchable. He's just a great receiver. Diggs is a huge competitor. If he is unhappy about the turn of events it may be because he knows that as Josh's #1 he is not being targeted even when open and more generally I wouldn't be surprised if he is unhappy with the apparent lack of purpose, direction and identity of the O. If Diggs is unhappy he will let it be known. That's the kind of guy he is. Given his cred that might actually be a good thing. It might bring things to a head in a positive way.

Don't understand this PBM. Jalen Carter is maybe the best player on D in this years draft. He's going 1 or 2. Agree you can expect more from a # 9 pick than we have gotten from Oliver but in his draft year to me Q. Williams was a legit top 10 pick.

VE is a good suggestion but 3M per will not get it done. At that price the Cowboys would only be too happy to sign him. He played for peanuts in 2022 to prove he deserved a good contract.

Well that "excuse" is pretty much what BB offered up at his presser. No rookie OC has ever won a championship. I guess they think he' must be pretty good. And I'm sure they left no stone uncovered (in Carolina) when they had to replace Daboll.

Maybe I'm just a worry wart but my sense of it is that although Josh is quite possibly the most physically gifted athlete currently playing the position, his game is at risk of deteriorating. I suspect that Josh needs to be coached hard with his OC on him pretty much all the time. However this is not like M. Dareus. Josh is smart and hard working and takes well to the coaching he receives. It's just that he's a young player with an extremely difficult assignment. Playing QB is hard enuf under any circumstances. It's that much harder when you are asked to bear an unreasonable burden of responsibility. It's hard for fans to make accurate evaluations of most football professionals. So I could be wrong, but my impression is that Dorsey is unable to give this O what it needs in the way of a coherent plan and scheme. Wasting prime years of Josh's career would be bad enuf, but actually seeing Josh regress is at least as worrying. Due probably to his personality and the unusual career path Josh has taken Josh's game is always at risk to deteriorate. He needs a really good OC.

Maybe this raises a difficult question. It's definitely possible, though perhaps unlikely, that both Robinson and Jalin Hyatt, the premier deep threat in this year's draft, are both still on the board at 27. What do you do in a case like that? Hyatt looks to be very similar to J. Williams in last years draft. Robinson is arguably the best player per position in this years draft.

In Gannon’s defence Fangio mainly advised the Eagles offensive staff. Maybe he should have spent more time with his protege. Chiefs actually got much more valuable outside advice from Doug Pederson who told a Bieniemy that Eagles D always cheated and bit hard on motion. The result was the play design that resulted in two TDs and a winning field goal.

Not sure why the inquiry should be limited to teams with franchise QBs, except that then there will be fewer examples. Excellent rhetorical technique. Seriously, I think it’s probably happened a fair bit but not much comes to mind and I’m too lazy to research it. But even just looking at whats happening now there are a few examples: Schottenheimer to Dallas, LaFleur to the Rams, Moore to the Chargers. And didn’t Press Taylor move to Jax recently (from Indy)? And what about Hackett going to Green Bay. That Rodgers guy is pretty franchise like as QBs go. Of course teams also fill that position internally and if thats what you are saying I agree. I hope that you arte not arguing that because the Bills have a talented young QB Dorsey was automatically a good choice. Right now it looks more to me like he is OC because he was a spare part in Carolina for five or six years.

Problem is having a handful of Jersey does not mean that JuJu was held within the meaning of the rule. If just grabbing a Jersey was enuf to make out the infraction, the rule would not also require that the hold materially obstruct the receiver. JuJu’s movement was not impeded or obstructed. The jersey was “held” consistent with the ordinary dictionary definition of the word. But that in itself is not sufficient to establish the infraction, except in refs mind.

I was super impressed with the Chiefs O-line in the second half. I don’t follow the Eagles but I did expect them to get more pressure than they did.

You are exactly right. I visit other message boards and I usually come away with the impression that this one is better, both for courtesy, restraint and level of analysis. Its not that there aren’t good posters elsewhere, it just like there seem to be more here.

You mean, like, consistently awful? And coordinators get hired into other organizations from without all the time. Josh is probably, indeed evidently, not the best judge of who his coach should be. If you are saying Dorsey was not qualified for the job then I agree with you.