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Yeah Pears to NE for Tom Brady. Then flip Brady to Indy for Andrew Luck, but only if they include Kelvin Sheppard. Oh wait, he's with Miami now. Ok deals off in that case.

Wasn't watching the game so I don't know how well he did. But didn't he throw two picks. In one game. And didn't Foles throw two all of last year. Just looking at the stat line MS didn't seem that impressive, though of course that is sometimes misleading.

Bargaining power was the first thing that occurred to me as well. We will know that's the case if indeed they wind up locking him up. Hearing so much that is negative from posters who have seen him a lot makes me wonder though. I was always pretty impressed with him but I haven't seen enuf to have a firm opinion.

I agree. But can he do that? The problem that I have is that with these young players, the O-line such as it is for now, Nate calling plays etc...I really don't think that Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would have played any better these last four games. Maybe worse. That suggests to me that Orton is maybe hot right now but that eventually he will find his right cruising altitude, unless, of course, he's a late bloomer and suddenly in the top half of starting QBs in this league. That sure would be nice. Anyway we've got 8 more games to try and figure all of that out.

If Orton has a stellar year he will be in demand. He doesn't have to play for the Bills, though he may want to. The suggestion that he's some kind of deadbeat just looking for a chance to play QB anywhere is absurd. Idk what kind of contract he may be able to parlay a strong performance into but I can guarantee it will be more than 5 bucks per. Oh and by the way that's why he's here. He has a plan and a personal agenda. He knew perfectly well that the Bills were basically one player away from being able to compete. He thinks he's that player. He's not stupid and Kyle Orton is the last person on earth who would ever sell Kyle Orton short. Kyle wants money and as much of it that he can get. By year end if he leads the Bills to the playoffs he will have Whaley right where he wants him. Smooth.

The lesson of history is that the bigger better dude always beats up on the littler or fatter out of shape dude. Union dude vs rebel dude Russian dude vs German dude US dude vs Japan dude Sluggo vs Mr Bill Only exception Popeye beats up Bluto every time. Good one.

If we got rid of that useless kickoff specialist who can't even drive it thru the endzone we could sign Colt as a backup and keep EJ.

Yes. And when you think of it, Cutler too for that matter.

I have no idea how to weight the different factors that might influence his decision. Don't know the guy obviously. Most folks like money. A lot. I know that if he keeps playing like this he will have options. Somebody will have to pay him a more than 5 bucks. Thing is the teams that might want him as a starter are probably not as good situations as Buffalo, as far as the prospects of the teams going forward are concerned. Common sense suggests that he should be sensitive to that. That could translate into a home town discount, though a lot would depend on what all else was on the table.

I think that's right 3rd/12. I think KO fully understood what he was getting into here and liked what he saw. Young players with talent looking for veteran leadership. I have no doubt that's one of the main reasons he decided to come to Buff and that he likes the yet developing story about his being the guy who helps turn the franchise around (with the Pegs). But Orton is his own man and he will decide what he's about next year. If he continues to play like this he will be in the drivers seat at year end and he will be in demand. He's always been a better QB to me than Josh M was in Chicago or anywhere else JM has played. The question is, what will he want? One thing we can be sure of is that Kyle Orton will not sell himself short. He actually, and perhaps foolishly, thought he could compete for the starting job in Dallas, despite Jerry's deep love for Romo.

There is something I'm missing. Maybe somebody can help me out. I've seen the option for 2015 referred to as a "player option" that Orton is said to "hold". That suggests to me that Orton decides whether he is a Bill or not next year. If so, and if his play holds up for the rest of the year, either he agrees to a new contract or he waves goodbye. Annualized his numbers after four games and somebody will pay him a lot more than 5bucks to be their QB next year. If it's his decision I have even more respect for him as a shrewd operator. Means he has come to Buffalo with the intention of leveraging his opportunity and has outsmarted yet another GM.

What was it exactly he was supposed to be doing? Was that part of the play design. Was he trying to hide? Gotcha. He was being small or smaller or inconspicuous. Except I was worried somebody shot him dead.

My guess is its $. And there is nothing wrong with that. He's at or close to the top of the food chain as far as DTs are concerned given his age and more consistent play, but the character concerns are real though a lot less than somebody like Haynesworth who landed a huge contract. I know I takes a few years for DTs to fully come around but my impression has always been that he's a guy who can pretty much flat out dominate whenever he makes up his mind to do so. Is his spotty play in prior years just a question of development or motivation. Important question.

Thanks for posting this.

Isn't that what got Spikes in the doghouse. Was 5minutes late in a driving snowstorm. Bill is nothing if not consistent.

No Rob. The point is 4 firsts and a second is still not enuf.

Woods is quite capable of having a big game. Our receivers are really pretty good. That's really what separates of from the Jets. True they have Percival but he's not acclimated and, who knows, he might punch Geno in the mouth before the first half is over. Now if we can just fix that pesky O-line.

All the better. Rex will try and take Sammy away. I'm beginning to think (hope) that maybe Hogie can be a lot better than I thought. KO seems to have good chemistry with him. QB always gets the kudos but in reality that was a heck of a catch last week. Just a lacrosse player I know but who could have known that a guy from Coe College was actually a great player.

Bold prediction: Hogie has a monster day on Sunday.

For similar reasons we're lucky Orton is here. Never understood the Locker love. Always seemed just another athlete pretending to be a QB. Works in college but not where it needs to. Actually in his case didn't even work in college.

And they did the right thing. I'd do it but only if they threw in k. Sheppard

Is Godot a junior or a senior?

Ok. He's not the answer. Now you know.

So he's no good because others have thought so. Well, he might not even be the same guy he was then, not to mention that we don't know for sure what all the circumstances might have been. Frankly, I'd rather not rely on someone else's opinion and prefer to make up my own mind. Right now I don't think any of us know what it is exactly we have in Orton. We all need to see more before offering an opinion that can claim to hold water. What I think I've seen is a guy who is capable of making big time throws and who can do it frequently enuf to dispel the notion that it was not an accident (I used to get that feeling with EJ sometimes). He's a pure pocket passer with zero mobility/escapability. But so are some soon to be HOF'mers. He sees the field well, of able to go thru his reads/progressions when given time and can find the open receiver. He is smart and experienced. He is capable of making good line calls. He can execute under pressure. He's best in the clutch and leads by example when the going gets tough. That also proves he has leadership skills, something much needed on this young offence. He is a serious, well spoken person at this stage of his life and career i.e, he is not a jerk. Contrary to popular opinion, he is not old. He should be entering his prime as a QB. As long as his arm is lively I really don't see where age should factor into any decision affecting his future with the team. He's had a few bad turnovers but he's been trying to make things happen in an O that was designed for another QB, is talented but young and therefore itself error prone at times. If the past is any indication ball security (or the lack thereof) has never been a defining negative of his game. I expect the O-line problems to improve if only because everybody now knows that is job one and it just can't go on like this. I also expect him to get better support from the run game now because Boobie and Brown are better suited to the kind of offence favored by Marrone and his sidekick. So I actually expect more and better things from Orton as we move along. It's just possible that the Bills have gone from having, in effect, no QB to having a good QB. By the end of the year I expect we will all have a better handle on this. In the meantime he's been giving me good value for my entertainment dollar. It's been a long time since I've seen anything like that game winning drive he authored yesterday from a Bills QB.

I guess you didn't watch Peyton last night. It was like "just put your arms around me Baby".