starrymessenger

He's the good pickup that wasn't (unfortunately). Would have been an upgrade to JH, who some are sad to see leave. Has the physicality that JH just doesn't. Its football after all. Oh well.

Well, to your point, CD is pretty much a consensus top 15 pick and unquestionably a first round talent.

Sure. I hear you. Both prospects still have a lot to prove. CD was a man amongst boys but so was a certain recent Raider of note. And what big time college programme did TO graduate from? Almost 100% of the time you have to project how a guy will transition based on the skill set you think you see. Thats why the draft is a crap shoot. I think CD will develop into a premier WR in the bigs in a couple of years, maybe along the lines of J. Nelson ( who I know was a second round pick). And he may well be better than that. JMO.

Not surprised by this. I take your point about MW being the better # 2 opposite SW but I believe Davis may well give you most of what MW can and then much of what MW may not. So I go with the more complete player.

Idk. We do not appear to have many (if any) options. So in the circumstances I am in the camp of those who hope that Tyrod's most glaring shortcomings as a passer are at least partly due to the fact that his development as an NFL passer was hindered by scheme, a depleted WR corps, playcalling, and what in the short term appeared to the coaches to give us the best chance of winning (probably with justification). My hope is that the new staff will have more success in bringing him along. For now though, in spite of his having adequate arm strength and being a phenomenal athlete, I have seen exactly zero indication that he is capable of making the harder throws with any consistency that is the hallmark of an NFL passer. McCoys comment that he is a RB playing QB is a little harsh IMO but not far off the mark. If thats the right conclusion though it will never be good enuf. The Bills have signed him up though so maybe the coaches think they can work with him to up his game. If that is right then if we can shore up our WR corps some really good things are in store for this O.

I tend to agree with you. Williams is a blue chip prospect to be sure but he is no Calvin Johnson (though he may be another Dez Bryant). Something north of 4.5 was what I expected from him but given his game there is nothing wrong with that. His neck injury is a concern for some though. Some also question CDs breakaway speed but though we wont get to see it now even at his pro day my guess was that he was going to run sub 4.5. and a good 5/100s better than Williams at least. There are also questions concerning his ability to separate against top level coverage viz Wisconsin and OS but he is a very good route runner and explosive out of his breaks. He has a habit of running into coverage at times but this is probably just a reflection of the physicality of his game and can be coached out of him along with the other little nits (assuming you are a believer). For me Davis is the more complete receiver who can do everything you want and need for him to do at a high level. Neither guy is a true # 1 immediately from the get go but both can reasonably be expected to grow into that role in a couple of years. On teams with an adequate passing attack or better I think CD is the better option and were it not for the fact that Tyrod is our QB I think he'd be the perfect # 2 opposite Sammy. Thing is maybe Williams might be the better target in the short run given what appears to be the Bills situation under center.

Yeah 2008 was a funny year. Cudos to the Pack for targeting J. Nelson. Thought Jackson falling to the second was strange given the very strong endorsement he received from Jerry Rice, who knew him well. Corey Davis is the real deal IMO. Does absolutely everything at a high level and does not appear to have any limitations or flaws to his game. Rare talent.

Devin Thomas. Second WR off the board after Donnie Avery. Neither is to be compared with C. Davis, who is an absolute stud and probably worthy of a top ten pick.

Even if the guy is not an agent I find the report credible. If you had just made 30 million you'd likely need a financial advisor.

This has been my view all along. Draft C. Davis, sign RW (or equivalent) and with Clay and (hopefully) a healthy SW and presto you have a top flight receiving corps. Get a QB that is a good fit for the WCO (like Foles) and this offence can be explosive. The 400 or so Tyrod rushing yards that you lose are more than made up for in a run game that is less predictable and harder to defence and you have wideouts that can excel in both the short passing game and who can take the top off as well.

If the Bills try and restructure Tyrod to me it must mean that they see some not insignificant upside to his passing game, in other words that his evident difficulties and lack of development as a passer are partly attributable to scheme, offensive philosophy, playcalling, lack of quality/availability of WRs ....If what we've seen so far over two years is really all you can expect signing him makes no sense to me unless he is truly only competing for a starting job and facing the possibility that he might serve as a backup if another QB outperforms him. Does anyone really see the Tyrod of 2016 running a WC offence, if thats the direction we go in? Not me.

If Tyrod can improve as a passer in a more balanced O I'm good with him. If not then somebody else.

Wow. And thats why I want Corey Davis

How did the hawk not catch it?

They win if Bennett does not play and Ben brings his A game.

Atl getting the calls today. No safety, AR gets clobbered in the head no penalty...

True very underwhelming but sign Woods (if you can) draft Corey Davis and guess what - your receiving corps is suddenly very good. So the solution is possibly out there, probably all depends on how you prioritize your needs (assuming Davis is there at #10. I would take him ahead of Williams.

I think we have to move past this idea that he can still be successful without an overhaul of his mechanics throwing the football. The great Aaron Rodgers is not good when falls back into his bad habits.

Not necessarily IMO. When on his game AR is IMO the best QB there is. But TBH I would not want to bet the franchise on him if what we were getting was the guy we saw in the first part of the season. That was not the MVP Aaron or the guy we've seen since they started their run. Whats the difference. Its quite simply the difference between good and bad throwing mechanics. Rodgers has a tendency to fall into bad habits and when he does it costs him and his team dearly. If AVP is responsible for cleaning up his technique and unleashing the Aaron we all know and love, which is a reasonable assumption, then that is an outstanding recommendation in and of itself. He might well be the right guy given our QB situation.

Its great to have a strong arm but when it comes to throwing a ball what goes on below the waist is as important as what you have attached to your shoulder. That is if you want to maximize velocity, touch and accuracy consistently. Consistency in every relevant skillset being the hallmark of a good NFL QB.

IMO good throwing mechanics are very important tho not sufficient. In other words it is possible to be sound technically and lack the other attributes that are necessary. Oh and if memory serves the Pack worked hard on Rodgers mechanics after he was drafted.

He's an intriguing prospect for sure. A lot to like. A major concern for me are his poor mechanics throwing the football. I'm a little puzzled by this because as a high school senior he was draftable as a MLB pitching prospect and good mechanics re proper footwork, weight transfer and release point are absolutely essential to throwing a baseball regardless of position but especially if you are a pitcher and even more so if, like him, you specialize in heat instead of junk. Thing is, as some have mentioned, his mechanics are spotty or inconsistent rather than flat out bad. In other words he executes properly sometimes but not always. When he does his passes are beautiful. Playing in college his arm, like Cardale's, is good enuf for him to get the ball where he wants it to go but I for one don't think that would be good enuf in the NFL. So I dont agree that you should take him as is and turn him loose and in that sense I see him as a project. How much of a project idk. The fact that he is more spotty rather than bad suggests that he may well be able to have his bad habits coached out of him without derailing (only adjusting) the rest of his game. Mechanics are all important IMO however. All of the good to great ones essentially have good basic throwing mechanics even if their styles differ, and btw I include P. Rivers in that. The fact that he can be accurate and throw with zip does have some upside tho since the chaos of live action often precludes perfect mechanical execution - happens a lot to some QBs like M. Stafford to mention one. Rodgers is in a class by himself in that regard. I have difficulty even fathoming how a human being can make so many perfect difficult throws while fully on the run. But if you look closely at his footwork when in the pocket, where its easier to see, I think you have to conclude his mechanics are sound even in unusual/extreme circumstances. To me, if you believe his mechanics can be cleaned up, he is a first round prospect and maybe even early.

Thanks.

Would like to see Brad but have to wonder what his interest would be in coming here. Not a move up and and he just got promoted to the same position on a better team. Maybe we are not interested because he is not interested.

Drop kicked Randy Moss out of Minny for fraternizing with the great satan. I like it.