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Its a bad day I know but not imo.

now that was a bad throw

we gonna win

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Tyrod is history in Blo for sure. Don't understand how some folks think he could serve as a backup on this team. The scheme is the scheme and he jusr does not fit it. If Peterman can't cut it as a starter he has a better chance of being the backup to the guy with the better tools (hopefully) that the Bills can land in the draft.

For sure they did. Would expect all the teams had some level of scouting there, some more than others. The announcers said even some CFL teams had people there lol. Rosen has some arm. Perfect for a WCO. Wonder if Darnold will ever learn to not turn the ball over.

Cant they trade his rights (option) at any time before he becomes a FA?

Exactly. It was like having literally no offensive line at all. As good as Bosa and Ingram are at getting after the QB, and as suspect as Mils and Ducasse are in pass pro, Peterman will have better protection today. He can work the pocket it would appear, but he needs to actually have one needless to say.

JMO but I think accuracy (and everything that contributes to it) has much more to do with it in Tyrod's case. Thats what (rightly) makes him risk averse. Y'know I like Rosen and Darnold too, but I seriously doubt we get to draft either one of those guys.

Player for player with Jags. They are up against the cap and have a lot of defensive talent.

Its an incredibly small sample size but I think it probably gives us a valid indication of what happens when you "unleash" Tyrod as a passer. Look at his performance in the Pro Bowl, where play is more open and less "disciplined". He made a lovely enzone corner throw for a td if memory serves. He also threw 3 picks. Thats why he doesn't take chances. His coaches know it, and he probably does as well.

200 + yards, 2tds and a pick was also my guess (for what little its worth).

I believe him when he says that he has friends who are Bills fans. Refreshing to see someone with legitimate insights on a national media platform. Aside from the obvious merit of his basic analysis I do take issue with his comments on how black quarterbacks are disadvantaged as a reflection of systemic socioeconomic prejudice. I'm not buying that line. Its not that I think racism doesn't exist. But I think that the NFL, for all its faults, is perhaps something of an exception to the big picture. And thats because its hypercompetitive nature forces it to be more of a meritocracy. Focussing on Tyrod's case as an example, if he was better at throwing a football he'd be the crown king of Buffalo and he'd be universally recognized as one of the best signal callers in the game, like Russell Wilson. The author seems to acknowledge that the intrinsic geometry of the modern NFL game requires a QB to execute from the pocket, whatever else he can do. Unless he subscribes to a conspiracy theory according to which this requirement is not only optional but but somehow designed to disadvantage players of colour he cannot have it both ways because these perceptions cannot be reconciled. Another place where he hedges his bets is in his analysis of Peterman (though Peterman is not really the subject of his piece). First, he acknowledges that we don't really know what we have in Peterman. But then he has no difficulty in commenting on his relatively low ceiling and, essentially, positioning him a clear notch below Cousins, and maybe a notch above Jeff Tuel. His assessment might of course be correct but you can't have it both ways. Either you know, or think you know, or you really don't. He is relying for his opinion on what we know about Peterman: that he is a fifth round prospect with something less than ideal measurables. He'd probably feel differently about him if he was two inches taller and 15 lbs heavier, bigger and stronger. I prefer to say that we just don't know yet. How smart is he? How well will he continue to see the field at this level of play? Can he improve his tangibles via strength and conditioning? Is his skillset on an upward trajectory despite the step up in competition? What a prospect perhaps lacks in one objectively relevant classification of the job description he can maybe (more than) make up for in another. We just don't have the answer to these questions (yet).

If it is clear that he is completely in over his head I will be disappointed especially if its so bad that the team has no choice but to haul Tyrod out of the mothballs after a couple of quarters. I don't expect that to happen. Of course turnovers is something to worry about. I think I see a little too much air under some of his throws.

True, of course. But the fact that both the WR and the QB fit the system confirms that they already knew the direction they wanted to go in. The fact that they waited until the fifth to pick Peterman also suggests to me that if he turns out to be any good he will be greatly exceeding their expectations. And especially given their choice of scheme if he pans out they really will have lucked out.

I must confess to being wowed somewhat by Mahomes athleticism and arm strength. I think I maybe do see a young Favre type. My concerns with him were mechanics and whether he could manage the transition to an NFL offence and of course nobody knows the answer to that question yet though of course Andy Reid thinks he does. To me he remains a top shelf prospect, but nothing more than that (which is basically what all these new QBs are). But there was no rational explanation for the Trubisky-Peterman draft position gap, especially considering that MT was pretty much a one year wonder and Peterman had a more complete resume. I actually think the two are comparable as far as their respective basic skill sets are concerned and I see them as close to equivalent prospects for continued development. I would not be surprised if their onfield performance the rest of this year bore this out. I would also not be surprised if Peterman outperformed Mitch either. Whether he pans out or not I think that as a QB prospect Peterman was indeed a steal in the fifth. I agree that the "Peterman effect" is a distinct possibility, though pretty much a best case scenario. As with any QB prospect, or indeed for a young player at any position, the question is whether his abilities continue to show an upward trajectory at the next and final level. This means not only addressing the flaws in his game but also improving on the things that he already did well in college. I don't think its unreasonable to think/hope that Peterman is that kind of guy. If he is he'll probably be the Bills starting QB for the forseeable future.

Shaw, like him or not Romo in his prime was a great QB (not in the GOAT discussion to be sure, but still a great QB imo). The knock on him (one of them) coming out was "only average" arm strength. I agree with your Fitz comment but I strongly suspect NP is much closer to Romo than Fitz as far as arm strength is concerned. So not a throw limiting weak arm. I also agree that we will only know for sure after we have seen a lot more of him. If my guess is right chances are we may have landed a real steal at the all important position.

I think the arm strength discussion is a good one to have. There is no doubt that having a rocket arm is a nice thing to have, but I do think that we are maybe starting to split hairs a bit when we get too deep into it. Sure I'd like for Peterman to have a Stafford laser in his toolbox. Its a definite asset when executing certain throws and situationally in certain cases as the in game action unfolds. In retrospect its presence or absence, as the case may be, can probably be identified as having been a game changing factor in a specific case, but at the end of the day it is ony one of a great multitude of things that can influence the outcome of a football game insofar as QB performance is concerned. And of course its also something that you can have too much of. You don't necessarily want to even see it when executing the majority of the throws a QB has to make. You want the ball to be in the right place at the right time and for it to be catchable, receiver friendly (often Tyrod's throws are not). And of course there are great QBs that have never had M. Stafford's or Brett Favre's gun. For sure you don't want a guy with a noodle arm, but that does not at all seem to be Peterman's case. Not at all.

Actually his arm strength reminds me of Romo's. Good enuf if not great. In fact my preliminary impression is that he maybe resembles Romo quite a lot. Not a draft darling (Romo was undrafted) , decent size, average athleticism, decent arm, accurate passer, mobility, excellent vision, smarts. If he is Romo II I think we hit the jackpot.

I don't think there is a single reason that fully accounts for the move, more like a confluence of circumstances all pointing in the same direction and leading with inevitable force to the same conclusion. They have been closely watching both QBs all year. They have probably been impressed with Peterman's ability to digest the playbook and potentially execute the offence they intend to run with some proficiency. Coach says he thinks NP is ready. They have supported Tyrod by giving him his shot but he has shown that his skillset is not a fit for this system. Given their choice of scheme it is reasonable to conclude that Peterman also gives them the best chance of winning and of making the playoffs, even though that is anything but a sure thing. They cannot revert to Roman's scheme because Dennison is not Roman and they probably don't now have the horses to do it anyway after all the roster turnover. And I think its fair to say that if they had a choice between squeeking into the playoffs with Tyrod or with Peterman under center they would opt for doing it with Peterman. Makes sense to me that they would prefer not to have the QB who breaks the drought be someone that they really didn't see as the future, especially if they feel that they may have that in Peterman. In other words, as has frequently been said, they need to evaluate him in advance of the draft. I think it was a good decision to start Peterman against the Chargers, in spite of it being a road game on the opposite coast and in spite of Bosa and Ingram. I actually worry more about his having to face KC and the Pats. But if they waited to start him until after those games it would likely be too late on the assumption that he potentially improves our chances of making the playoffs, and I think the braintrust would rather roll the dice than simply foreclose on the possibility. I expect him to have some success in LA. In terms of his skillset I do think the main issue is arm strength. I understand where people are coming from when they say that he has enuf to execute the WCO. And it looks to me as though his arm is average, so not actually bad. But I would like to see a little more zip on his intermediate throws. A little bit more can actually mean a lot. The difference might not even be that perceptible to the untrained eye, but it could be crucial. If he had had that on display at Syracuse I think he would have gone a lot higher in the draft. Can hardly wait to see how he makes on Sunday.

I've only seen the same tape as most everyone else, which is a small sample. But my honest opinion is that Peterman is going to surprise a lot of people in a positive way and wind up a legit starting caliber NFL QB. Not a longterm backup. A bona fide starter. Imo him being there for us in the 5th round is flat out ridiculous and a huge steal. It is a draft anomaly and we for once are the beneficiaries. It will take a while for him to acclimate to the step up in game speed and quality cover but he will not only be able to do it but he will do it relatively quickly. I think his onfield results may well this year outperform M. Trubisky's, who I also liked in the draft, and who went long before the 5th round. I think he throws for 200+ yards on Sunday, 2 tds, 1 pick.

The deep out is the throw that I need to see him make. If he can do that I have no concerns with arm strength. In addition to the scouting report quoted by Shaw I have seen other comments confirming his deep ball accuracy. Any NFL QB can heave it 40 or more yards, as has been mentioned, so accuracy is really what that throw is all about imo. Maybe you can execute the WC offence without a good deep ball but if its in your arsenal you are a much bigger threat even if its called only infrequently, once or twice a game. If Peterman can do all that at this level then he is the complete package as an NFL passer. I too have noticed the occasional floater but I also tend to think that this is related to mechanics rather than armstrength. Otherwise I think I would have seen it more often. Looking forward to seeing what NP has to offer.

And R. Barber was saying exactly the same thing vs NO. I'd take a good cornerback/safety's word for it too, not that I have to.

This. Bodes well for the future, regardless of the result of this move, as you say.

Or keep it simple and call them all George like Foreman did. Helps if your own name is George too.