starrymessenger

But as was pointed out by the OP, the "system" also requires NY to cede to the onfield call in certain circumstances. Al Riveron has a habit of not doing that. He is either incompetent or lacks good judgement. Or maybe he's just a pervert who likes to draw attention to himself.

It may be the year after next but I also think it's likely to happen. One or two more good drafts and I think we maybe take the division and maybe hold it for awhile. Brady is in the discussion for GOAT (and I mean with Jerry and Jim) but I strongly suspect that letting Jimmy G go will prove to be a big mistake. In that sense the Pats may wind up a hostage and a victim of Tom's success.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I don't think that NFL refs and reviewers are on anyone else's payroll. I don't think that the league and its officials consciously use their authority to manipulate results. There is no cognitive intentionality to any of this IMO. But I do think that it is at least reasonably possible, perhaps even probable, that the Pats get more than their fair share of calls, including calls that change or strongly influence the result of games. If this is true, the likely reason would be a deferential respect for a franchise that has pretty much established itself over the last ten or twelve years as the class (I use the term advisedly) of the league, and for the people who have made it so, namely Bob, Bill and Tom. Kraft's involvement in league ownership's management of officiating may also have played a role as well as the fact that as the league's most successful franchise the Pats might be regarded as one of the league's star attractions and principal engines of profitability. There is a risk to the league in all of this however as the list of game changing (or strongly influencing) and questionable decisions (and non-calls) favouring the Pats lengthens. Can you imagine a reversal of a KB type touchdown that again favours the Pats and determines the result in the upcoming playoffs or in the championship game? At that point I think the whole thing blows up big time with significant reputational risk to the league.

I think there is a 50/50 chance Peterman will be our starting QB. Next year.

Ha Benji beats Gilmore!

Wow Poyer

I would be euphoric if we landed Rosen, Darnold or Allen. I think Rosen is the first QB off the board and maybe even the first overall even if Darnold declares. Allen is a project but he will be an early first rounder, and for good reason IMO. I don't think we get to pick any of those guys. Hope I'm wrong about that. After those three I like Lamar Jackson with our second pick in the second round (after Quenton Nelson, Vita Vea and a really good wide receiver). I think my wish list is maybe a little unrealistic tho so maybe Jackson with our first pick in the second round. Now watch Hue Jackson pick him #1 in the draft.

I agree. I had a torn meniscus. I did not need surgery to repair, it got better on its own. Still at its worse there was no way that I could play (baseball). If the pain by itself is not enuf to keep him from practicing/playing then maybe it's not all that bad. Looks to me like there are a range of possible outcomes/severity of injury with a meniscus tear. Who knows how bad his is - probably KB and the Bills medical staff.

As a general rule I don't like to see players get hurt, regardless of exactly how it happens or what uniform they suit up in. These guys work too hard for too long to get to where they are and even if the risk of injury is part of the game I don't get any satisfaction when it happens. On the other hand, the players don't assume the risk of injury as a result of a criminal assault that is clearly outside the four corners of the game. And one would expect players to understand that given their own vulnerability to career limiting injury. So as an exception to the general rule I really wouldn't feel bad if Gronk was carted off the field on a stretcher next Sunday. But as it is, against a superior opponent the Bills will be struggling to level out the playing field. And we all know the deference with which NFL officiating treats Tom and the Pats, especially at Gillette. So do everything you can to disrupt Gronk's game and hit him often and hit him hard but do so within the rules. The D absolutely has to scheme to take him away if the Bills are to have any chance. He's a great player and he's really on his game right now.

The fake spike wasn't the problem. The play was poorly executed from the get go and was slow to develop. Also the playcall was problemmatic. Why throw into the teeth of the defence? A fade would have been a wiser choice. After Butler crushed Seattle in the SB you'd think they would know better.

Game on mute. Nuff said.

I think he's going to be good. Eventually. Good size, moves well in the pocket, sees the field and can make all the throws. Whats not to like?

Way too early to form any conclusion regarding Peterman. Those among us who think they know (either way) only think they know. His first outing was pretty much a disaster. He made three very bad throws IMO, two of which resulted in picks and a third which should have. The rest was not necessarily all on him. Generally he did not play within himself and tried to do way too much. Typical rookie mistake and he paid for it big time. But some of that was also clearly on the coaching staff. In retrospect he was clearly not ready and the coaches should have known that. Also the playcalls and selection were more appropriate for an experienced NFL passer, not a guy making his first start. I can remember the rookie seasons of Ben and Brady. These two future HOF guys were clearly asked only to play within themselves and were not to do too much. I think the gameplan for Peterman was more aggressive and indeed too much so. And the Bolts were the wrong matchup for the rook given their ability to bring pressure and our weakness in pass pro on the right side of the line. Tyrod would not have thrown 5 picks in the first 30 mins but he might have been sacked 7 times like he was versus the Jets, who have a much weaker pass rush than the Chargers. I think some here had predicted that Peterman's first start was going to be against the Colts and in hindsight its apparent that they had a better idea than our coaches did. And what others have said about coaching viz Case Keenum (gameplaning, play calling and scheme) is spot on IMO. Not many even great quarterbacks are entirely scheme versatile. Dan Fouts would have greatly outperformed Joe Montana in a Don Coryell offence. Can you envision Tom Brady executing a scheme dependent upon QB mobility outside of the pocket? Frankly I would not be surprised if with experience and proper handling Peterman eventually proved capable of doing what Keenum is doing now. Case is not a world class athlete, was undrafted and does not have a strong arm, but he has always been accurate with it. What concerned me the most about Peterman's first outing were two out patterns, one to each side of the field, that were clearly not NFL calibre throws and that reasonably raise the arm strength question. One was a pick and the other should have been. Some have mentioned that he puts too much mustard especially on some of his intermediate (and other) throws (two of his picks were overthrows). Could be he is overcompensating for something. I wonder what. Anyway I guess my point is simply that the sample size is too small and that we need to see more of him before reaching any kind of conclusion.

Could also account for a couple of those throws. Just watching him pick himself off the turf a few times he looked tired - and a lot like an older QB. We are just on the cusp of when the season becomes most demanding of the players strength and endurance. He's been great again this year but I've got this feeling he just won't have enuf in the tank this time. Obviously a lot depends on how well Dante can get the O-line to protect him. Getting Gronk back will help a lot, but I still think the Pats will fall short of expectations.

This is the right answer. Ben, Antonio, Bell. Also, even without Shazier I think Tom maybe in for another rough outing. I think his 40 year old body is starting to show some battle fatigue.

Don't know who the Bills will start. One things for sure though, if Peterman plays it is going to be a major hurdle. Miami can bring the heat and looks like they can cover too. If Miami's D is on its game it's likely going to be more like facing the Chargers than the Colts. Is Nate ready for this? Maybe we should pray for another blizzard. If Tyrod is 100% good to go AND the Bills scheme and game plan with regard to what he can do (rather than to what he can't), I think that on balance Tyrod would probably give us our best shot and since the Bills are still in the playoff picture you would have to go with that. OTOH if Dennison is going to try turning Tyrod into a pocket passer, I'd rather roll the dice with NP.

I know. Huge loss.

Pats lose in Pittsburg. Only question does Tom make it out of town alive. I think the season is starting to catch up to his 40 year old body.

Yeah. Hobo level disheveled.

Zay went 37, JuJu 62. So doable.

I think the Bills had a pretty good 2017 draft and that bodes well for 2018. If these guys are as good at picking them as they seem to be the team will be much improved, though they do have their work cut out for them. As far as the redo is concerned, I can't imagine passing on Watson at 10. He remains only a prospect to be sure but he has shown enuf to make him standout credibly as a potential franchise guy. You don't pass on that, especially if you are the Bills.

Not sure why QB controversies tend to get so personal for some posters. To me that is neither necessary nor productive. We should be able to assess them more objectively. By now we should have a good idea of what Tyrod brings to the table. An offence designed to play to his strengths can be reasonably productive, but it will likely always have some limitations, one being difficulty in mounting comebacks when once the team falls behind. If complemented with a strong D a Tyrod led team with a smart and creative offensive coordinator (like A. Lynn) is good enuf to make the playoffs. But that is not the model that the current braintrust has in mind or intends to follow, so I have to think Tyrod is on his way out of Buffalo. As for Peterman, we really don't know what we have and it will be awhile before we do. I do feel that he is an intriguing prospect and I certainly want to see more of him. But that has to be taken in context. This team and fanbase has been so starved of good QB play for so long that I'd be equally excited if we had Jacoby Brissett, who despite occasional flashes could soon enough morph into Jacoby Nobody. If we were starting Jimmy Garropolo I'd be positively ecstatic, even though there can be no assurance that he is going to pan out long term. JMO but given the offence we are running I'd rather see Peterman start against Miami if he's healthy.

Not only do I fully support NP but I moved on from Tyrod a long time ago. I don't know (yet) whether NP has enuf of what it takes to be successful but I'm sure he will get his shot and I look forward to seeing him play. He has a bad habit of sliding face first (you may have noticed if you have been paying attention, which I doubt). So yeah I hope this knocks some sense into him. Otherwise he won't be around for long. So go get stuffed already.

Wilson was a baseball player.

Not a day on which you can even begin to evaluate him, unfortunately.