starrymessenger

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I don't think he'd do it now, but Alshon's combine 40 was 4:48. Benjamin ran a 4:61. I think the reference to Alshon's is a good one however. I don't think this guy is a lazy and predictable route runner like Kelvin. Actually plays/runs with more energy and aggression. Wouldn't call him unathletic myself. Good signing IMO. He's got a shot.

The Kelvin we never knew.

I can't say that I know enuf about who is most to blame in all this but I would hesitate before making a play for AB despite his talent. There would be a risk of bad chemistry between the team's budding (but still developing) star at QB and the team's already established #1 receiver. I'd rather have Allen grow with talented young guys like him, even if they too have a lot to learn. Now if discord were not a concern or was a low risk and the comp to Pitt made sense, sure who wouldn't want Brown's talent.

To all but the colour blind that's a TD.

Yeah. 4.32. Thanks. 4.45 makes me feel a lot better. And 180lbs/6' is fine if a corner is skilled like he is. His run support must have been pretty suspect for him to go undrafted.

I'm a little surprised he went undrafted. To me he deserved a closer look considering the circumstances, despite his borderline size/strength and 4.63 combine 40 (Denzel Ward ran in the low 3.3s). He was a zero rated recruit because he lost interest in football for awhile following a family tragedy (death of his father). He walked on at Bama and earned a scholarship while developing into a starter and their most technically sound corner (15 pass breakups his final year). I have to admit the pro football evaluators know more than I do but if the 2017 draft were held today I'm pretty confident he would not go undrafted (though I'm not sure how high he would go - 3rd? I mean there is room for improvement as far as defending the run is concerned).

One of the most beautiful things I've ever seen. Too bad it wasn't the Jets DE who seems to have shortened our kickers career. He didn't even know he should be somewhere

Exactly. I too favoured Rosen ahead of Allen on draft day and I would also now take Allen before Rosen. And it's certainly not that I think less of Rosen now than I did then. The reason is I'm pretty comfortable with the notion that Allen will realize enuf of his potential to improve upon the things he needs to work on. He will never be Drew Brees accurate but he will be accurate (and consistent) enuf to be very effective as a threat passing the football. Then of course there is that other thing - I watched all the college tape I could find on Allen prior to the draft (as well as the other top four). What stood out plainly was that he was a man amongst boys. Perhaps not surprising given the conference. But then when he's on his game on an NFL playing field he often looks again like a man amongst boys (even tho he is the boy and they are the men), not like at WYO to be sure, but still he dominates. Thats flat out crazy. I've been watching pro football for 30 years. I see things in Allen that remind me of Elway, or Cam (closest comparison IMO) or Steve Young or Donovan McNab or even Vince Young but I don't think any of those guys (except maybe Cam) showed the same level of physical dominance as rooks as Allen has been able to flash consistently. His athleticism for playing the all important position is other worldly and in any scheme designed to accommodate it he will be a lethal force. I think the Bills struck gold. Kudos to Beane & the Bills. Since he's been mentioned a few times in this thread, a word on Lamar. He will develop as a passer IMO (like Josh). Adjusted for drops I believe he had the highest college completion percentage of the top 5. Broke 70% if memory serves. Lamar Jackson is no toy. He's the real deal. Ozzie knows football. The 2018 QB class was outstanding, not the best ever probably, but really good.

Following Jets example (about time). Makes good sense. Guys like Josh and Darnold can learn a lot from the right long tenured vets.

Im not sold on their D either. I think Drew Brees annihilates them. Haven't checked the injury reports but KC was short starters on D when they lost to NE. If they are back healthy then NE would have its hands full with KC and PM.

Good point. I thought about it before posting but not sure that Lamar at this stage in his career can go against Belly. Agree it could happen. For sure Ravens D would have a shot at shutting Tom down. All things considered I see NO as Brady's Waterloo this year, if worse comes to worse.

The news regarding Brady's play declining are accurate IMO. But only in that you will not get the same consistency as before over a 16 game schedule. With the bye he will be the same guy we've always hated in the playoffs. He was that guy today. Sure the Jets suck but he made outstanding throws, as good as ever. Beating Brady simply means pressuring him without having to blitz. The formula hasn't changed. Hopefully somebody gets it done. I like KC and, if need be, NO.

I feel sorry for the guy. Seems like the ongoing problem is testing positive for weed. He hasn't been creating disturbances in public or harming people (except himself) if I remember correctly. So he has an addictive personality and can't lay off the stuff. It's a real shame that so great a talent has been wasted.

To me BB nailed this down about right. With JA is all about whether he can improve as a passer. He's certainly has a way to go but if he gets there, scheme assisted or not, he will dominate consistently. We all see certain comparables amongst players who share some of his skillset: Ben, Elway, Cam, Steve Young, etc...but I don't think I've ever seen a player quite like Allen. Make or break its bound to be a fascinating ride.

Dawkins is an idiot. He is overrated by most on this board. Gets beat clean a lot. Probably belongs on the right side. His chop block was dangerous, illegal, occurred right in front of ther ref, and was completely unnecessary - the Jet was neutralized by the guard. As for the Jet DE, somebody needs to take note of his number - for future reference. Don't know if these Bills are that hard bitten though, even if they should be IMO. In the NHL you don't get away with that. Somebody takes note of the number, sometimes the aggrieved party, and eventually it catches up to the perp, probably when he least expects it (aka the best time to reintroduce yourself).

I agree with the OP. As long as he protects himself (and he seems to be doing more of that) I have no problem with giving him designed runs, RPOs etc... When plays or protections break down I'm fine with him scrambling and looking for opportunities to run and, as importantly, to pass (he also appears to be throwing it away better when there is no play there to be made).. His physical skillset is so impressive that shutting him down as a runner takes away too much of what makes him effective as a threat to opposing Ds. When (if) he cleans up his throwing mechanics he's going to be scary good, a guy with a complete set of tools for destroying a defence and breaking an opponent's will. He will never be Drew Bree's accurate but I think the Bills braintrust see Cam Newton when they look at Josh and I think that to be the measure of improvement that is needed in Josh's passing game. We just need to hope that he doesn't become Vince Young, who was an exciting player who won his share of games with his legs when he came into the league. At least Allen already has a big step up on these guys (especially Vince) as far as his intangibles are concerned.

Like I said, forget the stats (especially the one's that don't exist). I'll stop with the accuracy stuff when Josh cleans up his mechanics and becomes more consistent with it. If he can do that he's clearly franchise material. If he can't he will be limited and will not make the best use of his talent. People refer to the height of his ceiling. You want to keep the plays that make them say that and at the same time raise his floor so that the head scratchers become more the outliers.

It was not a good pass in that Allen did not hit Clay with a perfect spiral between the numbers standing still by himself in the back of the end zone. But the thing is receivers and TEs have to make adjustments to catch the ball with regular frequency. And while not exactly a gimmie it was actually not that hard a catch for a NFL player to make. I have to think league wide in similar circumstances that ball is caught near 80% of the time. So 80% on Clay. Meanwhile Allen gets an A+ for escapability, extending the play, keeping his eyes downfield and finding a good target. In relative terms Clay was not being asked to do all that much. He's a highly paid professional. I'm sure he feels awful. But what's more important than the outcome of that play is Allen's inaccuracy, especially when on the move. This is clearly the result of a problem with his throwing mechanics/footwork that has been flagged for improvement from the get go. It also is the reason why some of his throws flutter or are flat out ducks. Clearing this stuff up remains job 1 IMO. Both his accuracy and his touch need to get better. Outside of that, I don't see many posters or pundits saying this morning that Josh Allen should have been drafted in the third round or later. Josh Allen has the wherewithal to dominate on an NFL playing field much in the same way that he stood out as a man amongst boys as a WYO Cowboy (forget the stats). That is nothing short of ridiculous. So by now it should be evident to all exactly what the bet was when the Bills drafted him. As has been said many times, Allen's physical skillset for playing the position is elite. It's only about whether he can iron out the wrinkles in his game. I think there is a good chance that he can and will and if he does the Bills certainly have their franchise QB.

I want to see her giving a post game pep talk to a lockerroom full of half naked behemoths.

Yeah. Suggests to me that coach is a little unsettled by the incident, which does not surprise me. Verbal missteps are frequently indicative of an unexpressed psychological reality (or so Dr. Freud has said). Making a public display of stripping the jacket, especially in that venue, was predictably going to be interpreted by the player as a public humiliation. Some players are wired to cower and endure, some players not so much, and it's more a question of personality and not necessarily correlated in any way with ability. One of he tough parts of coaching is management of different and frequently strong personalities. Anybody who can't do that is not going to be successful. The "process" tent has to make lots of room for different personality types. This is not to say that buying in and intangibles are unimportant. They are of course very important. I hope Ed Oliver goes undrafted like Burfict so we can sign him up as an undrafted free agent.

Great rant. Keep 'em comin.

And if he can handle it, move S. Neal into his spot. We haven't seen much of Neal, but I would not sleep on him. Upside is Cam Chancellor.

Nice to see the kid have a big game and help the team get untracked on offence. He worked his limited but important role - stretching the field - very well today needless to say. Though he also tracked the ball well for a change I have to go back and check but I think he was still catching with his arms, gathering the ball into his body, instead of his hands. # 1 WRs use their hands.

Well they are comparable inasmuch as they are both raw and inexperienced players at the same position needing a lot of work and both being in a less than ideal environment as far as their development is concerned. Obviously there are also big differences which explain why Allen is the #7 pick and Peterman a fifth rounder: basically if successful, Allen projects as a franchise guy, and Peterman as a potential backup. So, with those caveats I think you can speak of Allen and Peterman in the same breath, if that's alright with you. Actually, even if that's not alright with you.