starrymessenger

The more talented their WR corps the more frustrated they will be with Tyrod. It may not be the plan but the #1 pick will be starting by mid-season with Tyrod backing up IMO.

Yeah what you say about the teams in front of Brady and Ben back then is true. I had forgotten to consider that. OTOH haven't all the recent first round QBs started at least one or more games their rookie year? I'd be surprised if Allen didn't start a few games.

Unless one of the other guys surprises and starts tearing it up I think he probably gets to start this year. How many games idk. I'd be fine with it as long as they have a plan for him to play within himself and don't ask him to do too much. That's how the Pats managed Brady and the Steelers Big Ben when they were rooks. If our new OC can design an offence that plays to his strengths, ala Watson in Houston last year, so much the better.

Right now I wouldn't bet on him making the deep out (certainly not to the opposite hash). I agree the shallow/intermediate out (as in Jax) is a throw he needs to make. I think maybe he can get there since I feel the lack of velocity on that particular throw was more poor mechanics than anything else. As for having to make all the throws, I'm not sure I agree. He needs to make the higher percentage throws with regularity and he needs to be able to credibly challenge a secondary on occasion. There have been some good QBs with something less than ideal arm strength and hence with something less than the complete repertoire of throws at their disposal.

In terms of first round QB success rates recent experience is actually pretty positive. Marriotta and JW are good enuf to build around and move forward with. Goff, Wentz, Watson, look good. Mahomes and Trubisky look to me to have real promise. At least they are certainly not looking like busts (yet). Only Paxton Lynch has to date actually failed to meet expectations. JMO I would not be at all surprised if all of this year's first rounders develop into starter quality NFL QBs, and two or three into franchise guys. Im really excited about Josh Allen. His physical skillset is absolutely phenomenal and in a class by itself. He's a bright guy with a great attitude/maturity. That certainly counts for a lot. I just hope the Bills know how to bring him along properly. Jeff Fisher's old ways of doing things with no sensitivity to Goffs strengths/weaknesses almost torpedoed the kid's career (which now looks quite bright).

Agree. I do think that a NFL strength and conditioning program should benefit a guy like Peterman although given the position any increase in core strength cannot come at the expense of flexibility. But I also think that proper mechanics are more likely to influence velocity (and accuracy). And based on what little I've seen of him Peterman's mechanics could do with some work for sure. The (post) season ending pick in Jax was a good example. Fully front facing the target and pushing off his front foot. C'mon man. I suspect that with work Peterman can get to where a lack of arm strength will not be the reason he fails if indeed he does fail. Maybe it just means that he should avoid attempting the sorts of throws that can require raw arm strength independently of ideal mechanics, like the out to Thompson. To me that's a tough assignment to execute with perfect lower body positioning/mechanics. If the technique is slightly off, as I think it often is, then you are a lot better off if you are Josh Allen than if you are NP. On the other hand, it's not like Peterman was lining up under centre. He was in the gun, and so I do understand why that throw raises legitimate concerns regarding arm strength. We will all see soon enuf whether he has been able to improve.

Beane swings for the fences: Allen, Edmunds. So be it, what's done is done. I didn't agree with his decision. I discount Allen's purported upside advantage because I think Rosen will be very good, and quite possibly very, very good. In fact I think Rosen is more likely to be very, very good than Allen. There is no doubting Allen's upside but my impression is that a reflex reaction has been to unthinkingly assume that Rosen, being good already, can't get any better. My view is that he stands an excellent chance of building on his remarkable skillset as a pro. So I guess I can confess to being a fan of his. I suspect Rosen's personality was a factor weighing against him in the hallowed halls of the conservative GM club. There is some sense to this and it's a relevant issue to be sure. However, JMO but I believe the preponderance of evidence suggests strongly an AR personality type rather than a Jeff George/Cutler personality type. The kind of guy who can make you regret passing on him. Having said all that, I also believe that, as advertised, this was an exceptional QB class with five guys fully justifying a first round grade. Since we picked a first round worthy QB in the first round I have no problem deferring to the guy who makes these decisions for a living. All things considered Allen too is in my view an outstanding prospect and I have no problem getting fully behind him.

A few years away assuming things stay on track and go the way we want them to. Nothing is guaranteed. Great as he is Julio Jones isn't making this team a contender in 2018. Blowing your brains out today to land him is more likely to set you back than move you closer to the day you might otherwise be in a position to compete. Having said that of course you do everything you can to win every game.

Nope. All things considered (cost, age, injury history) it would likely be a terrible move. Draft and develop your own. Consider the occasional FA that might make (more) sense in the right circumstances. Patience. This team is a couple of years away. No quick fixes. Deal with it. Not happening anyway.

Whoever Coach feels won the job in TC should and probably will start the season. If that's all your saying I don't disagree. And I will get behind whoever that winds up being. But if its NP and the result in the first half of the Chargers game is basically a true reflection of his ability and prospects, which is what his detractors believe, then IMO he won't be starting for very long. Either that or Coach will be shown the door. My sense of it is that NP is better than that but I haven't seen enuf to know how much better. It may, or may not be enuf to justify giving him a starting assignment. Those who don't like him feel that they have seen enuf already and that he probably doesn't even deserve a roster spot. I wouldn't say that myself but it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. All will be revealed to the faithful but only in due course.

If this is true we are worse off than I thought. I don't think JA will be ready to roll in September, though I could be wrong. If he sits, I would not be surprised at all if Peterman beat out McCarron. They were both fifth round prospects after all. I also think that NP is more likely than not a better QB than we saw last year in LA. Exactly how much better idk, but if he really is as bad as some here say, if he's that bad, we will find out very very quickly and the discussion will be over and out once and for all.

Well idk if I'd call it uncanny but there's no doubt that the Steelers draft WRs well - and better I would venture than the Bills have. Off the top I can think of only one guy of recent memory who probably flat out disappointed - Limas Sweed. Of course having a HOF calibre QB allows them to get the most out of their WR picks, and I agree that Bills receivers have been at a disadvantage for the most part with Tyrod who, except for the occasional long ball never struck me as throwing a receiver friendly ball. This was especially the case when Tyrod was asked to execute in an offence that did not suit him, like last year, which was also Zay's rookie year.

I would have liked to see him again wearing the gold jacket. Oh well. Anyway, what I remember most is the guy who in his prime could single handedly take a game over whenever he felt like it. They are few and far between. Congrats to TO on a well deserved honour!

In no way that is meaningful is Josh Allen comparable to EJ Manuel IMO. JA is demonstrably capable of executing in a way that EJ never was. Never. Forget the stats. Look at the tape. I never wanted EJ. I entirely agreed with Bud Elliot's pre-draft evaluation of him in Tomahawk Nation (a nightmare that came true). I agreed with the Patriot's board that had EJ slotted as a a fifth round pick under the caption "athlete". Josh Allen is 100% legit as a high first round pick. Allen can do what EJ never could. He just needs to do it more consistently. That boils down to coaching and patience. The only thing that EJ and JA otherwise have (had) in common is that they are (were) both raw and in need of refinement, but you can say that about all college QBs. Not saying that JA will fully realize his potential, but he has a chance. EJ never did.

People change jobs all the time. Nothing wrong with that. But saying he would quit if the Bills drafted Allen was stupid. Doubling down and ostensibly actually doing it is doubly stupid (whether it's the true reason or not). I wanted Rosen but Allen is full value as a legit early first round pick with a chance to be great. So I question his judgement and ability as an evaluator of football talent as much as I question his behaviour.

No doubt JuJu and Kupp, operating in a more receiver friendly offence, outperformed Zay last year. And true they were drafted later. But Corey Davis and Mike Williams were both drafted way before and they pretty much struggled as well. I would still take Davis and Williams ahead of Kupp (and Zay) every day and twice on Sunday. So hopefully Zay too falls into that group of young receivers who take a while to acclimate. JuJu's case is different IMO. I had him figured for a stud at the next level and I think that's been confirmed. Wish we had landed him but kudos to the Steelers who clearly know wide receivers.

Yeah, along with the truth about Elvis's two headed lizard baby.

But but its all a big witch hunt lol...

Well maybe she shouldn't have used a private server but the Prez conducts the nation's business on a burner phone.

I like it that way too.

And don't forget all the money she made running a child sex ring out of that pizzeria.

Be wary of what you wish for.

Actually I think that's Ben Carson's game. Oh and I wasn't directing my comment as a criticism of anyone on this board. But I don't think it was off topic given the discussion of respect (or the lack thereof) for Vietnam vets.

What I find most bizarro is the disrespect of Senator McCain's service by members from the self-proclaimed "patriotic" end of the political spectrum. But such are the times we are living in it would appear. Two steps forward, one step back. Rinse and repeat.

I wonder whether there will be consequences to the owners' action, and whether they have thoughtfully considered them. Time will tell.