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That's a good commercial!

I was waiting to see if Sanders plays the veteran card on that one??

FWIW, my son is a 10+ year Panther fan and here's his take on Obada...

At some point there's going to have to be a pool on who the last Panther is that we'll sign who was still there when McBeane were. We've got to be getting close?!?

we definitely need that!

Honestly,... I don't think he's "under the radar". He'll cost plenty

With Ullmark out, Tre White needs to bring his goaltending skills to the ice and Allen may have become our first-line Center... sorry Jack

That's probably too hard to predict from #30. Given that they are transitioning to a point where our good players need to be re-signed, there will be a need to balance that out with cheaper talent. I'd like to see us trade back if they can pick up an extra #3 or something like that. However, Beane tends to get excited about players that he's targeting and has typically been more aggressive to trade up. I imagine that the cost will prevent him from doing so and he'll stay disciplined and pick someone at #30.

We still keep Josh, right?!?

I'd love to see some comparative analysis by Cover1 or JoeB/MattF at The Athletic, but one of the things jumping out at me is what a difference pass rush makes. People can talk about Allen and Brady all they want, but the relentless effectiveness of Tampa's pass rushing was the MVP of the Super Bowl and the lack of it made the AFC Championship game so frustrating. That's where our drafting needs to focus...

There really shouldn't be anything illegal about this. The ONLY thing the Saints are accomplishing is to avoid Brees' retirement before the start of the league year, at which point all teams have to be in compliance of the salary cap. He's only reducing salary that he wasn't going to earn anyhow. I would imagine other teams have done versions of this move.

Retirement is essentially the same from cap perspective as cutting someone. If they had a big contract with a big bonus with a number of years left on it and retire, the team takes a dead cap hit on the remainder same as if they had cut the person. Eric Wood was a good example that was cited. His retirement was unexpected due to medical condition and the Bills had just resigned him to a multi-year contract the year before. As I look at the Brees story, he dropped his 2021 base salary to the league min, which lowers his cap hit for next year. This means the Saints can leave him on the roster past the start of the league year and stay under the cap (with other moves). They can then have him retire after June 1 (similar to other June 1 cuts that teams declare) and move the dead cap hit into the next year (2022) rather than have to deal with it this year, when the cap is constricted. Brees obviously wouldn't care whether his 2021 salary is $20m or the league minimum as he's planning to retire I could be wrong, but I want to say that the Bills did something similar w/ Eric Wood. They didn't reduce his next year's salary, but held off the retirement announcement until they could use the June 1 rule to move the dead cap into following year.

And the rookie QB ended the season with a dominant AFC Player-of-the-week performance that left everyone on a high that "maybe" we finally found our QB?!?

How does being instrumental in the development of Nate Peterman and passing game coordinator for the #1 rushing offense land you a job as a Head Coach w/ an NFL team? #WatsonOUT

All of them.... we're in the final 4

Kyler Murray should be on that list...

I'll add to this further by stating that I can no longer watch football without Twitter as a companion guide to produce the ultimate fan experience!!

I don't even remember what # he was??

I think we have to redefine "The Josh Allen Experience" from this point on.....

This is a hugely interesting debate and one of the few multi-page threads that I read in its entirety. So much goes into scoring with that right player. We've had other threads where we lamented that we didn't pick Mahomes or Russell Wilson. You would have to wonder if they would have become all that in other situations (particularly with the staff we had when Wilson was selected). I've never seen an article that tried to do a comprehensive examination of QB selection model grading all players taken in the last few decades across a composite of physical, mental, emotional, social and so forth. And then testing it out. Would make a hell of a dissertation!

To say nothing of not having a qualified QB coach (David Culley had been a WR coach), nor a veteran in the QB room (Derek Anderson brought in later in season).

Definitely important to stay humble....

Do you think they would be "run by design" if their QBs were Mahomes, Watson, Rodgers or Allen?? Also, I recognize that there are problems on Jets that haven't done Darnold any favors, but he's really done nothing to speak of to help elevate the team in any way. Compare what you saw to Allen's rookie year, where he made lots of mistakes that we don't need to rehash, but also provided instant leadership, credibility to teammates and executed 4th quarter comeback victories.

Amazingly, the Bills could have had 4 of 5 of these, but glad we have Allen now. In 2017, we traded out of Mahomes spot with Watson selected two picks later. In 2012, we trade UP to take TJ Graham, when several on this board thought we would be moving up to take Wilson.