Yeah and you and other act like he`s a 5 time pro-bowl player. He had a few good runs ,hard runs. But he was part of that losing culture also. He just wasn`t the player some make him out to be. Not one pro-bowl from such a great player. Yeah he split time with Spiller,because he wasn`t a feature back. His time has passed. I liked Fred,but his time has passed,and it was robbing carries from a more promising back.