OldNMBillsFan

your doomed. Your first mistake was accepting a Bills HC job. It shows serious lack of judgment. You will only be 2 years and will never get another HC job again.

I agree, lets give the kid a chance. This video was posted before, but it should be brought up again.

I believe that the root cause of the Bills failures is not so much just the QB position, but all positions. Name me one Bills receiver that has left the Bills and been successful. Stevie, some say the Bills best receiver since Moulds is a true #2 or 3, as evident by his play in SF. Evens, our #1 receiver until he was replaced by Stevie, couldn't even make the NFL the second year after he left the Bills. They drafted Maybin with the 11th pick. James Hardy at the 41 pick. How many starts did we get from these two fine draft picks? It is too early to know how things will turn out with Whaley, however IMO, the last 2 drafts have produced more productive players than in the past. Isn't it ironic that Woods was selected #41 same as Hardy. He will have some misses but lets give the man at least 5 years before we crucify him too.

Why did he fall from a second round pick to undrafted?

The way I remember it. In 2004 Peters was an undrafted Rookie TE. The Bills took a chance on him, put him on the practice squad and converted him to an OL. In 2006 he signed a 5 year 15 Million contract. He excelled at the OL and after 2 years into his 5 year contract he wanted more money. He refused to show up for training camp. The Bills hands were tied. I am sure a man like RW was not happy. He had taken a chance on Peters and all he got in return was a stab in the back. If it were not for the Bills, it is highly likely Peters would have never made it to the NFL. Screw Peters. He should have finished his contract like a man, then he could have gone to the highest bidder.

What the frack!!! does Tarry work?

Whaley was mentored in Pittsburgh. The Steelers have only had 3 HC's since the 1960's. The Bills will be on the 8th since 2000. Hopefully he learned from his mistake, if he was involved in the selection of Marrone, and finds the guy that can be here for at least 10 years.

LOL. Everyone says it was a bad idea for the Bills for the opt out clause. Ralph owned the Bills when that deal was made. Would he bet against his own death? He could care less if the new owner had to cough up the 4 Million.

Exactly. I find it amusing that people here know the exact chain of command at One Bills Drive.

I like the long shots. Tuel will lead the team to the playoffs next year.

Please give specific examples of "over his head" . That phrase is thrown around a lot as a fact, with no examples. Gailey had the 13th best offence with the shittiest receivers in Bills history. I think he would have done better with Woods and Watkins. The Defense under Gailey was around 23rd, Dareus, McKelvin, and Gilmore had not matured yet. Now, It is a top 10 defense no matter who coaches it. IMO this team makes the playoffs and is a contender for the Division.

With Gailey and Fitz still here, you don't think they make the playoffs?

FIRE THE COACHES AGAIN!!!!!! Fans are too impatient. They want change every year, and they have had their way. Since 2000, the Bills have had 13 different stating QB's, 7 different Head Coaches, 9 different Offensive Coordinators, and 7 different Defensive coordinators. That probably leads the league, or is close to it, in the number of changes in those key positions. How many of those that are calling for Marrones head, wanted Gailey gone, wanted Fitz gone? I want continuity. I want a HC given ample time to fix the areas that needed to be fixed. I am tired of starting over every 2 or 3 years with the same result. Those who wanted change every couple of years have got what they have wanted. It has resulted in 14 years of ineptitude. It is time for a change. Give the Head Coach time to fix the problem, 4 years Minimum. It is time for a different approach.

You should add in, same horrible O line. IMO, that is the real problem. Although It is difficult to quantify the success or failure of the O line, watching the games you could see that there were no holes for the RB's, and very little time in the pocket. When Orton did have time, he looked shell shocked waiting for the pocket to collapse at any moment. Why do you think the red zone was so bad? It was because the O line sucks. One on One battles were consistently lost. Did you ever see the O line push the D Line back 1 yard to get the first down? Where the O line dominated the LOS. No! Not a single game. Almost all short yardage runs were met at the LOS. IMO, the O line is priority 1 this off-season. It is hard to evaluate the RB's and QB's with such a lousy O line. If you listened to Woods comment the other day, you could tell they all had a come to Jesus talk with the coaches. I expect a vastly improved O line next year. If not, then fire Marrone and Hackett for not being able to identify the root cause.

Marrone stays.

You obviously did not read all the Jack ass responses to his post

But, If you take away all the touchdowns and field goals given up by the defense, the Bills would be 15-0. How about them apples. Fire Schwartz!!!!

I am with you OP. But be prepared, the hostiles want blood. You my be strung up for having anything positive to say. Good Luck.

People of Buffalo. News for you. High end coaching talent will not come to Buffalo not mater how much the pay is. The weather sucks, The taxes sucks. Their spouses will tell them to screw themselves and go alone if they want the job so bad. The only coach Buffalo can attract is a someone who wants to prove something. They will not attract someone who has already proven something. Saint Doug is perfect for the job.

All the Marrone haters love crap like this. Lets take another statement and make a mountain out of a molehill. IMO Doug as the best head coach the Bills have had in years. And sadly, their record proves it. I am grateful he is not interested in a more lucrative offer. He is young and inexperienced, i believe he will only get better with time. The last thing this Organization needs is another turn over in coaching.

I made it to 2 games this year. The lipstick worked for me. My first impression was that there was no need for a new stadium. The ralph still looks good and has character. But what do I care, I live in New Mexico and don't pay NY taxes. Go Bills!!

I am always skeptical of people in a position like his. Fans listen to him and think he knows more about evaluating talent than people who do it for a living. Moments after every draft, fans are waiting for these so called experts draft grades. Clinging to the hope that their team did good. Football is a business, to some degree the teams have to appease the fans, during the draft, to sell season tickets. Do you really think Cleveland wanted to draft Johnny football in the first round? I guarantee you that people like Mel having JF so high on their draft board influenced Cleveland's decision. In the multi-billion dollar industry of the NFL, i would not put it past the agents to slide some money to these people to get their client higher up the draft board. Honestly, how did the Bills draft Aaron Maybin at #11? How did they draft James Hardy at #41? I just have no use for people like Mel.

They should create a second version for field goals "The Bills make me want to pout"

I knew i liked Marrone the minute i read the post. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/160551-some-inside-info-on-camp-marrone/page__hl__%2Bnational+%2Banthem IMO, Marronne is the best leader this team has had in a long time. Finding a leader is the hard part. But once you do, you surround them with good managers. It will be interesting to see what happens on the Offensive side of the ball. Will he fire or demote Hackett, or, like last year will he say they need better players to get it fixed. That thread from couple years ago is insightful. Before they even played a game, some of the same people were complaining about him.

A real Debbie Downer