birdog1960

i'm not the one directing this tangential line. i answered 3rd eyes question. shoulda ended there. but now i'm thoroughly intrigued by d/c's graduating class. i wonder how many of them summarily fired their servants right after Christmas cuz they requested raises. and how many play golf with busy professionals who drop their schedules last minute to have the honor to play with them. yeah, you win.

not digging in the least. if we were able to easily pull up the 8 class years enveloping taylors class it would likely still be filled with high achievers and recognizable names. perhaps not as impressive as your single class but still...

no, really. alumni from a single year as impressive as that would be truly remarkable and interesting. was it as diverse in eventual careers? it actually is important since your peers play a part in your formation, especially in your early years. if you're around a bunch of dolts and are king of the mole hill, you'll likely rest on your laurels. around a bunch of high achievers, you'll likely achieve higher - like james taylor and austan goolsbee (oh, and i truncated the list for the sake of brevity). so, do tell....

you asked a very specific question. i provided evidence to support my assertion. i left out a step that you clearly couldn't formulate on your own: top prep school emphasize the classics. but you really don't care if he read the classics or that many of the leaders of the western world did. it doesn't matter. it's a joke. except that it does and it isn't. wow. why not link? then we can place your alma mater. i'm guessing i didn't play high school sports against you in wny.

he went here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Academy along with these other classics students Austan Goolsbee, economic adviser to United States President Barack Obama Frances Hamerstrom, writer and naturalist Robert F. Kennedy (1944), former U.S. Attorney General and U.S. Senator from New York, member of the Kennedy political family Ted Kennedy (1950), former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, member of the Kennedy political family Alexandra Kerry (1992), film producer and daughter of U.S. Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts Reif Larsen (1998), American author best known for his work The Selected Works of T.S. Spivet. David Lindsay-Abaire, Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright William Lobkowicz, Brewer & Real Estate Restoration Expert Hanford MacNider, U.S. General & International Diplomat Douglas MacArthur II, U.S. Ambassador to Japan Seth Magaziner (2002), RI General Treasurer Claire Messud, Author & Novelist Writer Peter B. Moore, Molecular Ribosome Expert Jehane Noujaim (1992), Egyptian American director of Academy Award nominated documentary film The Square (2013 film) Farah Pandith (1986), Special Representative to Muslim Communities for the United States Department of State Deval Patrick (1974), 2007-2014 Governor of Massachusetts James H. Perkins, former Chairman of Citigroup Richard C. Perry, (1973), hedge fund investor in Perry Capital which owns Barneys New York J.B. Pritzker, venture capitalist, entrepreneur, philanthropist & private business owner Elliot Richardson, former U.S. Attorney General Rob Sheffield, writer, author & journalist Robert E. Sherwood, playwright & screenwriter Sherrod E. Skinner, Jr., Medal of Honor Recipient Jenny Slate, comedian and actress Sarah Sze, Contemporary Artist James Taylor, American singer/songwriter and guitarist

you've got it backward. taylor read the classics. look where it got him.

the difference is that the program is state sponsored and to a degree, state controlled.

and what's to say that the new companies don't employ as many or more people at higher pay? it's global competition. if the finns don't keep up they lose. just like nokia did.

interesting. i interpret the piece to be praising the success of the finnish gov'ts model while admitting some associated problems (eg ikea). you see it as condemning their process even if there might be a few bright spots. i didn't see any mention of a net loss of jobs resulting from the moves other than that nokia went bust. that was the precipitant of the policies not the result of them.

it's a good idea and it's working. it's gov't at its best. it's for the benefit of the citizenry and excesses can and likely will be reigned in if it is no longer of benefit to the citizenry. what's not to like?

that's what i thought. so you are not in agreement with the norway model. it's too socialistic for u. what about that do you have difficulty understanding?

so you'd be pleased to see the us govt do this an a similar scale based on population? The Finns created an innovation and technology agency, Tekes, with an annual budget of €600m and a staff of 360. They also established a venture-capital fund, Finnvera, to find early-stage companies and help them get established

it's a gesture. done in columbia sc. meanwhile, on the other side there's this act: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Confederate-flags-placed-at-Martin-Luther-King-s-6416809.php

and most modern day progressives would be very satisfied with swedish or norwegian like systems of govt.

Yes, ikea has lost its way re social justice. the founder lives in switzerland now as the piece says. and yes, he's exploiting the environment and workers. but the point is that he and his company are a product of an economic system much closer to socialism than our own. a system that achieves many of the goals american liberals seek. and that same system continues to produce entrepeneurs encouraged and supported by the state. its a model sanders has mentioned and clearly admires. its a model for the more progressive western european countries and they've actually incorporated it much more than we have. i believe bern would attempt to do the same. as far as walmart vs ikea, i just assembled a sauder bookcase from wallyworld. it just doesn't have the design and style of ikea and i think the quality is lower as well. when walmart catches on to the post modern trend aNd starts selling stuff that might show up on a madmen episode, i'll buy. by then, there will probably be a newer, more interesting design trend. it's not about city versus country.

thank God there are adults like this tar heel pediatricians son to blunt the hate:

"i walk a crooked road to get where i am going. to get where i am going, i must walk a crooked road. and only when i'm looking back i see the straight and narrow i see the straight and narrow when i walk a crooked road" darrell scott

tell me what part of this is not entirely consistent with what i've written on ppp: universal healthcare, free education through university levels, comprehensive care for the elderly and the disabled, paid parental leave following childbirth, and extensive employment and pension benefits. Compassion and care for the well-being of all citizens, diligently managed and woven into the DNA of the citizenry, while building wealth, successful global commerce i'll admit that i didn't express it as well but those are the same principles. and they are very similar to nbernie's and entirely consistent.

i thought we were discussing bernie sanders and his particular leanings in regards to socialism, not how you or anyone else chooses to define it: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/what-do-sweden-socialism-and-bernie-sanders-have-common Conservatives see socialism as a system that “takes everything from the rich and gives it to the undeserving poor,” a compelling talking point but totally wrong especially when seen in the context of a nation like Sweden and the actual practice of Democratic Socialism. In fact, Sweden is not a socialist country in the classical sense at all. Marx and Engels would be very disappointed with Sweden where 90% of industry is privately owned. Genuine “socialism,” in principle, is where the people own the means of production, and profit is meant for the public good, not an elite, capitalist class. Sweden is a modern social democratic nation, as are most European countries where, the Middle Way between collectivism and individualism has been carefully crafted and this: Most political scientists agree that Sweden was indeed the “precursor” nation for most of the social welfare policies now the norm in Western European democracies, such as universal healthcare, free education through university levels, comprehensive care for the elderly and the disabled, paid parental leave following childbirth, and extensive employment and pension benefits. Compassion and care for the well-being of all citizens, diligently managed and woven into the DNA of the citizenry, while building wealth, successful global commerce, and a modern technological society are not mutually exclusive. This marriage, a genuine “capitalism with a human face” is the essence of social democracy.

well, no. gross mischaracterization but that's expected. here's what the piece actually said: The student revolution was part of a wider reconsideration of the proper relationship between government and business. This had started in 2008, when the Finnish government shook up the universities (and created Aalto) in an attempt to spur innovation. But it was speeded up by Nokia’s problems. Finland had become dangerously dependent on this one company: in 2000 Nokia accounted for 4% of the country’s GDP. The government wanted to make the mobile-phone giant’s decline as painless as possible and ensure that Finland would never again become so dependent on a single company. The Finns created an innovation and technology agency, Tekes, with an annual budget of €600m and a staff of 360. They also established a venture-capital fund, Finnvera, to find early-stage companies and help them get established. The centrepiece of their innovation system is a collection of business accelerators, partly funded by the government and partly by private enterprise, that operate in every significant area of business and provide potential high-growth companies with advice and support from experienced businesspeople and angel investors. Read more at http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21570834-nordic-region-becoming-hothouse-entrepreneurship-if-doubt-innovate#RdDxOLpjxiyJmCzB.99

wow. break open a thesaurus did u? except as the economist article points out they are selling to a globally changing set of demographics. this isn't about their small countries. it's about the big, open minds fostered in those liberal socialisms. and sanders is a proponent of nordic style socialism. what is it about that statement that doesn't stick? i'm trying to imagine furniture that you might design….bad image...

you might want to read the economist link as well.

perhaps you should read the economist link. ikea was briefly mentioned among many other businesses arising from the robust entrepreneurial atmosphere in those stale nordic socialisms. but you knew that, right? ….

Yes. because socialist nordic countries industries like ikea woefully lack all those things: http://www.economist.com/news/special-report/21570834-nordic-region-becoming-hothouse-entrepreneurship-if-doubt-innovate?zid=293&ah=e50f636873b42369614615ba3c1 he's much more likely to gain some control over his destiny with sanders than with trump.

joe working class has a reputation for shooting himself in the foot politically. take a look at the politics of w virginia or mississippi or any of the poor southern states. if you are correct, he's lost a bit more precious leverage in deciding his future.