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Apparently you forgot how well he played when his collection of crap at WR were healthy. He was nearly leading the league in the new QBR rating at one point. Currently he ranks #12 in both the old QB rating and the new QBR system. If we don't have the answer at QB then there are at least 24 other teams that don't either. Are we so delusional as to think that every team can have a Brees, Brady or Manning? Give the guy someone to throw the ball other than Stevie Johnson to that could actually make the active roster on another team in the NFL and I think the "is Fitz elite qb?" question becomes a non issue. I think it is you who needs to watch the games. All of them. Including the ones at the beginning of the season when he actually had someone to throw the ball to. But please, after watching the games again look at the FREAKING NUMBRES! Please don't give me the eye test BS because you obviously need glasses. You can't put up Fitz numbers and suck. Apparently people are enamored with such big names as Donald Jones, David Nelson and Brad Smith who is a freaking QB at WR and our offensive line that can't protect for 3 seconds. If you believe that is the reason for our successs then I could see how you might mistakenly think Fitz isn't and can't be our franchise QB. Actually I stand corrected. He is top 12 with our awesome healthy WR core and Aaron Rodgers 5 seconds of protection offensive line. Thankfully there are some people that see the GAME, see his numbers and know what's up.

Look at the collection of slow moving crap that he has to work with at WR. Seriously! With the way those guys have been dropping like flies and getting traded away it's got to be nearly impossible to develop a little thing called chemistry. I think Fitz is just fine and easily a top 10 QB in this league when his #2, #3, #4 #5 WRs weren't traded away or on IR currently. (Evans, Easely, Parrish, Jones) How can you expect him to excel with the crap we have at WR? I love David Nelson but come on man! He was #6 on the depth chart in preseason. That being said I do agree that there are only 4 elite QBs in the whole league. I would of course include Aaron Rodgers but not Ben Roethlisberger. They are TRULY elite. That being said there are another 6 guys of which Fitz is included who are pretty damn good that I would be glad to have calling the signals for us.

Maybe you should start with a definition of what an elite QB is and how many of them you think are currently playing in the league and why? I have argued for hours with people over whether WR "X" is a #1 or not only to find out that we have MUCH different definitions of what a #1 WR was. The data and opinions you are trying to gather will be worthless without and agreed upon measurement system. QBR? QB Rating? TD/INT? Team wins and losses? Accuracy? How do you define an elite QB?

Why do people keep talking QB as if that is anything close to our biggest problem. We need a pass rusher, a WR and an o-lineman or two before I could even think of all the other things we need before a QB.

In preseason our top 4 WRs were Johnson, Evans, Easely and Parrish. We traded Evans away. Parrish gets hurt every year. Easely has basically yet to play for us in 2 or 3 years. Basically this means we traded away our #2(former #1) and history has shown that our #3 and #4 can't stay healthy. You can't expect so many injuries at one particular position unless their is a proven record of those injuries. I think that has been proven. Trading Evans was just dumb. He has been hurt basically all year for Baltimore but he pretty much played every game for Buffalo in his time here. We would still be looking pretty damn good with Johnson and Evans together on the field. Nelson has been a nice surprise in the end zone but other than that we didn't put ourselves in a good position in the off season. Scott Chandler again is another good surprise but he is a TE. I consider that a separate position and I don't lump them in with the WRs for the same reason I don't lump RBs into the WR position just because they catch passes too.

Obviosuly without "UNEXPECTED" injuries to players we would be a much better team and the record would reflect that. The obvious "EXPECTED" injuries like Shaw "Good Gamble" Merriman, which was pretty much a 100% guarantee, should have been accounted for with contingency plans. The way Maybin is playing in NY when he was finally given playing time should have been our contingency plan. How do you NOT give a first round draft pick significant playing time in 3 years to see what he has ON THE FIELD! Practice? We're talking about practice? For those that excuse it away by saying he didn't show enough in practice is a joke. Apparently the Jets "saw something in practice"! Wish we had guys watching our practices with those eyes and insight.

At least somebody is paying attention. We need to stop this bashing of the good players. Seriously. These boards are so screwed up it's ridiculous. We complain about the good players and try to run them out of town. These idiots that say probowls mean nothing and get rid of guy X because he wants fair market value for his talents. Worry about our weaknesses. How could we have spent SO many picks on our secondary in the last 8 years and it SUCKS!!!! Many of those picks were first rounders. How come we don't have great pass blockers on the o-line. Why did we trade one of two established WRs at the beginning of the year when we planned on running 4 and 5 WR sets? Why for the love of god can't we get a guy that can rush the passer? (Oh wait...forget we released him and he is with the Jets now). These are the questions that need to be asked and much more importantly ANSWERED!!!

Dareus doesn't hold the edge in the rushing game and unless they try to run straight up the middle to either side of the center I don't know that it is really his job to overcome double teams and make the tackles others should be making. Let's not forget that he is playing out of position and was supposed to be the new kid on the line as an addition to Kyle Williams and Shawn "Good Gamble" Merriman.

No doubt man. Funny how having real nfl caliber WR's that were actually drafted sometime before the 7th round or were not signed as undrafted FAs can make a QB look good. Well, that and a line that doesn't require your offensive passing scheme to be designed around getting the ball out in 2secs or less.

I haven't read the article yet so I can't say I disagree or agree. This I DO know. Smart people judge and evaluate the message not the messenger What do the think of the content of what he wrote as opposed to attempting to assassinate the guys character? *Yes, this will require actual effort to take your brain our of neutral and evaluate the content of the message as opposed to lazily dismissing the messenger.

Until the fans and the front office stop running good talent out of town we will continue to be a bad team. Yes, banging my drum again but bad teams stay bad by getting rid of good talent, making holes that didn't exist and refilling them over and over. Bad teams get good by keeping their good talent, and fill their holes by replacing the bad talent. Pretty simple isn't it? Now if someone could just deliver the message to Ralphie!

Ya...looks like when given a chance the kid can actually get to the QB. Don't bother posting it though because nobody on this board has the balls or integrity to admit that they might have been wrong. With those types it's always the players or somebody outside of themselves fault for them being wrong. Insert standard comments here: "He didn't show enough in practice to get playing time" "He didn't want to be here" "He's gone now. Who cares?" "He still sucks and I hate him he hurt my feelings" I agree with you man. Good luck with the rest though. Fixed Yet another perfect example of how we had a guy that was really good and we made a new hole by getting rid of him and drafting his replacement with a second round pick who wasn't as good and is also no longer with this team. When is this ORGANIZATION going to start replacing the underachievers instead of the guys that are actually playing well?

I like Gailey. I will stand up for him. We have put up more points under him than I think we ever did under Jauron or Mularkey. That being said he IS WITHOUT QUESTION pass happy. No coach is perfect and neither is Gailey. 46 pass to 23 run is a 2 - 1 ratio. Yes, "passing league" blah blah blah. If your defense is gassed and can't do the job and you actually have a very effective running game, WHY NOT USE IT. We should be somewhere in range of 40 passes and 30 rushes for every 70 plays. Too many modern coaches have bought into the philosophy that you can't come from behind running the ball. Simply NOT TRUE. Any time it becomes obvious that you abandon one portion of your offense, a very effective one at that, it makes it easier for the defense to lock down your WRs and tee off.

I have been waiting for this for almost 2 years. FINALLY only due to injury does Spiller get significant playing time and the kid is coming along JUST fine. He was averaging almost a yard better per rush than Freddie before Freddie went down. How do you only give that guy 2 a carries a game? Idiots! Now Freddie is on IR. Maybe he would have ended on IR if he had one carry or 200. Who knows? Take away the joke of a Jets game with Levitre at Center and somebody else manning his spot and CJ would still have over 6yds/carry. I hope the kid finishes out the year and continues to improve with game time so that he and Freddie can form the formidable 1 - 2 punch that they should have been. For a team that wants to rebuild in the draft we don't seem to use the guys we draft too much. Seems kind of dumb to me. This organization has veteranitis. CJ couldn't get playing time behind Freddie. SJ couldn't get playing time along side Lee Evans in front of the bums that we had opposite him. Maybin couldn't get playing time behind...I don't know....NOBODY. Take away the Washington game and Maybin might have more sacks that our entire team at this point. Are you telling me nobody on our coaching staff could figure out how to get that kind of production out of him while he was here? WTF? That all being said. I STILL feel that Marshawn Lynch + (#12 pick 2007 contract) + (2010 #9 overall pick) is so far greater than CJ SPiller + (#9 pick 2010 contract) + (2012 3rd rounder) Depending on a persons definition of a luxury pick it is hard to agree or a disagree. If you wanted Marshawn who was an effective RB run out of town, CJ was a necessity. If you wanted to keep Marshawn CJ was a luxury.

How do you take significant carries away from the best all purpose back in the league?

Well we have Spiller now and I have high hopes for him until the torch carrying "he's a bust before he's even gotten a chance whiners" run him out of town and the Bills use ANOTHER 1st round pick to get a replacement RB. And round and round it goes

Have you seen him run? THAT is motivation. What is more likely in my mind was learning a new offensive system and getting used to his new line in front of him. The guy is not a rocket scientist I doubt he learned the play book in 1 day. So prior to last weeks game the 6+ yds/carry was not good enough for you? You must really have been pissed with Jackson's 5.5 yds per carry. Even after playing behind our pathetic line last week getting tackled in the backfield while receiving the hand off his average is STILL 4.3 yards/carry. I know those are just rushing numbers but get a clue. The kid is NOT Fred Jackson. We get it. That being said, Fred Jackson wasn't Fred Jackson until he was about 27.

I do hope Spiller gets acclimated to the NFL but my point is even IF we assume that he becomes a Darren Sproles type, was the #9 pick in the draft worth the perceived difference between what Spiller MIGHT be and what Marshawn IS (On the field thank you, heh)? Given so many of our other holes I don't know that it would be worth it IF Spiller becomes what I hope and think he can. I do like Spiller by the way and hate to see people dogging him because he can't take playing time away from perhaps the current best all purpose back in the league. People need to give him a break too until he is given a chance. That being said a LT or a pass rushing DE or LB would have served a much bigger need.

How is that 2010 #9 over all pick we used to get Lynch's replacement looking? Are you going to tell me that it wouldn't have been better served by getting a LT, LB an effective pass rusher? What say you to that?

Quite possibly it was beyond repair due to the haters such as yourself. Be honest. If you are in an environment where everyone is giving you crap at your job and when you walk the streets you're going to stay? Come on man. The point I am making is that neither of us know whether he wanted to stay or go but we DO KNOW that the fans were likely responsible for any such desire to leave. YES a young perhaps uncultured man made some mistakes as many other athletes have and the town brought out the torches and wanted him gone. Yes it does assume that as his time in Seattle has shown

WRONG! Fans wanted him out and made Buffalo a caustic environment for him. Wanting to stay with the team despite this is commendable. Whether he wanted to stay or go none of us know. This falsity needs to stop.

Dude! Did you watch the games when he was here or were you at church?

Ah, not what I meant. I meant the fans that would constantly ride him. You went to the games. You've been on the boards. I'm not saying the fan base is the GM but making Buffalo a hostile environment for him and doesn't go unnoticed by the player or the actual GM. I do disagree though. I did feel the Bills made a big mistake on that one by getting rid of a great "2 punch" to Jackson and burning the 2010 #9 overall pick to replace him. Let's not forget that I'm sure Spiller is getting paid more than Lynch was and hasn't even had the opportunity to put up similar production. Gotta read what I said but I understand my typo might have confused. "I would actually go even farther to say that is if Spiller does become a better back than Marshawn was it really worth the #9 overall pick for a slight upgrade?"

Excellent word of the day K-9. I'll have to remember that one. A little classier than idiot. LOL. Despite his troubles I think he learned his lesson and history has certainly born that out. His teammates love him everywhere he has been and played and he is one the hardest runners in the NFL. I really think that The Bills plans were to start Freddie and groom Spiller. Spiller only got the start his rookie year due to yet another injury for Jackson. His hand was all banged(broken?) up in preseason. Unfortunately we can't change the past but we can learn from it's mistakes. I have really come down to potentially this teams biggest problem being getting rid of good talent and squandering resources to refill the same holes. That philosophy needs to change before we truly get better and become a superbowl contender. If we keep running guys with shiny gold teeth and dreadlocks out of town there might not be anyone left to play for the Bills.

Well at least they were smart enough to see the error in hindsight. Some people still don't get it. Right on man. I would actually go even farther to say that is Spiller does become a better back than Marshawn was it really worth the #9 overall pick for a slight upgrade? We could have provided this team with a lot of help with some of the OL, LBs and DEs on the board when we took Spiller how I do like to be honest. Also it was the 2010 draft not the 2009 draft.