DaBills51

One of the refs threw a flag once he saw Fournette or Hyde (couldn’t tell) throwing huge haymakers. That should be automatic ejection, so what happened to the flag?

I rarely complain about the refs but this game was ridiculous. McDermott better blast them after this game and not be scared of a fine.

Hughes was tackled on the fumble. So ridiculous for no call.

This comment aged well.

Yards relate to attempts, but nice try. Pretty laughable stat to use. Taylor was 5th in 2015 in yards per attempt, then tied for 21st this year and in 2016. Not great, but not enough to try to throw yards out there and ignore metrics that actually have been shown to relate to winning. I presented you with one of the best metrics that correlates to wins, and provided evidence why. Then, I showed you that Taylor is the best in the league for that metric, but you continually choose to ignore it. You ignore it because you can't argue it. Now, is it because you don't want to, or is it because you don't have the mental capacity to do so, I don't know. The 4th quarter comebacks is an "issue", but it would be a bigger issue if it wasn't regarding a QB with a winning record as the Bills QB. That's the thing with the anti-Taylor group, you can't present a logical argument. Passing yards do not directly relate to winning. Ask the 2015 and 2016 Saints who led the league in passing both years and finished 7-9. Or even the 2014 Saints that finished 2nd in the league in passing, but once again, 7-9. The more I look at the post the more laughable it gets. He points to Taylor holding on to the ball too long, and then notes the two above him are Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson. Hmm....those are two good quarterbacks, and both of them are mobile, hmmm....I wonder if there is any correlation. Nice try though, please come back soon.

In his make believe land, teams are allowed to tamper and make offers to players who are under contract. I have yet to see one statistical based, logical argument from any of the extreme anti-Taylor group.

There is no way to know why the Bills go into a shell, but I would have to assume it's more likely coaching. There is no way a QB starts as hot as Taylor did, throwing for over 100 yards in the 1st quarter and then says "whoa...I'm playing too good right now, need to pump the breaks". Guarantee Taylor isn't the one choosing to run the play clock down to 1 second in the 3rd quarter on each play. And then when they do call passes, call designed swing passes, screens, or other no read throws. I would agree that it's probably that Dennison doesn't trust him, but that makes no sense when he has been better at protecting the football then any QB over the last 3 years. This whole lack of 2nd half scoring issue is unique to this year. Which leads to it most likely not being just Tyrod. Are we going to ignore that the offense was tied for 10th in scoring last year and 12th the year before too?

Here is a stat for you. Last year, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. And from 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. In the decade of the ’70s, when turnover rates were much higher, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. Link - http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/ So it's safe to say that winning the turnover battle is a pretty useful metric to consider when looking at what goes into winning football games. Let's then look at the best QBs in the NFL at not turning the ball over during the past 3 years. Looking at the below, it seems to me that Taylor has done a pretty good job of giving the Bills a good chance to win by not turning the ball over. But hey, we should all just ignore facts and listen to you. 2017 GS 2017 INTs 2017 Fumbles Lost 2016 GS 2016 INTs 2016 Fumbles Lost 2015 GS 2015 INTs 2015 Fumbles Lost Total Turnovers Total Games Started Turnovers per Game Tyrod Taylor 14 4 2 15 6 2 14 6 1 21 43 0.49 Tom Brady 16 8 3 12 2 0 16 7 2 22 44 0.50 Alex Smith 15 5 1 15 8 4 16 7 0 25 46 0.54 Dak Prescott 16 13 3 16 4 4 0 0 0 24 32 0.75 Aaron Rodgers 7 6 1 16 7 4 16 8 4 30 39 0.77 Russell Wilson 16 11 3 16 11 2 16 8 3 38 48 0.79 Andy Dalton 16 12 4 16 8 3 13 7 2 36 45 0.80 Drew Brees 16 8 0 16 15 4 15 11 2 40 47 0.85 Jared Goff 15 7 3 7 7 2 0 0 0 19 22 0.86 Sam Bradford 2 0 0 15 5 5 14 14 3 27 31 0.87 Derek Carr 15 13 3 15 6 3 15 13 3 41 45 0.91 Matthew Stafford 16 10 7 16 10 2 16 13 2 44 48 0.92 Carson Wentz 13 7 3 16 14 3 0 0 0 27 29 0.93 Matt Ryan 16 12 3 16 7 3 16 16 5 46 48 0.96 Kirk Cousins 16 13 5 16 12 3 16 11 4 48 48 1.00 Ryan Tannehill 0 0 0 13 12 3 16 12 3 30 29 1.03 Carson Palmer 7 7 0 15 14 4 16 11 4 40 38 1.05 Cam Newton 16 16 1 14 14 2 16 10 6 49 46 1.07 Joe Flacco 16 13 0 16 15 3 10 12 2 45 42 1.07 Phillip Rivers 16 10 1 16 21 5 16 13 2 52 48 1.08 Jay Cutler 14 14 0 5 5 2 15 11 5 37 34 1.09 Marcus Mariota 15 15 1 15 9 5 12 10 6 46 42 1.10 Ben Roethlisberger 15 14 1 14 13 2 11 16 0 46 40 1.15 Tever Siemian 10 14 2 14 10 2 0 0 0 28 24 1.17 Eli Manning 15 13 5 16 16 5 16 14 4 57 47 1.21 Ryan FItzpatrick 3 3 0 11 17 1 16 15 2 38 30 1.27 Blake Bortles 15 13 3 16 16 6 16 18 5 61 47 1.30 Jameis Winston 13 11 7 16 18 6 16 15 2 59 45 1.31 Josh McCown 13 9 4 3 6 4 8 4 6 33 24 1.38 Andrew Luck 0 0 0 15 13 5 7 12 1 31 22 1.41

Just finished a breakdown over the last 3 years for QBs with over 20 games started. Taylor has the lowest amount of Turnovers per Game Started in the league over that span. Then, when you combine that with my post above, in regard to how it's held true over 50+ years that teams that win the turnover battle win 78% of the time, it can't be ignored that Taylor has significantly contributed to his having a winning record as a Bills QB. 2017 GS 2017 INTs 2017 Fumbles Lost 2016 GS 2016 INTs 2016 Fumbles Lost 2015 GS 2015 INTs 2015 Fumbles Lost Total Turnovers Total Games Started Turnovers per Game Tyrod Taylor 14 4 2 15 6 2 14 6 1 21 43 0.49 Tom Brady 16 8 3 12 2 0 16 7 2 22 44 0.50 Alex Smith 15 5 1 15 8 4 16 7 0 25 46 0.54 Dak Prescott 16 13 3 16 4 4 0 0 0 24 32 0.75 Aaron Rodgers 7 6 1 16 7 4 16 8 4 30 39 0.77 Russell Wilson 16 11 3 16 11 2 16 8 3 38 48 0.79 Andy Dalton 16 12 4 16 8 3 13 7 2 36 45 0.80 Drew Brees 16 8 0 16 15 4 15 11 2 40 47 0.85 Jared Goff 15 7 3 7 7 2 0 0 0 19 22 0.86 Sam Bradford 2 0 0 15 5 5 14 14 3 27 31 0.87 Derek Carr 15 13 3 15 6 3 15 13 3 41 45 0.91 Matthew Stafford 16 10 7 16 10 2 16 13 2 44 48 0.92 Carson Wentz 13 7 3 16 14 3 0 0 0 27 29 0.93 Matt Ryan 16 12 3 16 7 3 16 16 5 46 48 0.96 Kirk Cousins 16 13 5 16 12 3 16 11 4 48 48 1.00 Ryan Tannehill 0 0 0 13 12 3 16 12 3 30 29 1.03 Carson Palmer 7 7 0 15 14 4 16 11 4 40 38 1.05 Cam Newton 16 16 1 14 14 2 16 10 6 49 46 1.07 Joe Flacco 16 13 0 16 15 3 10 12 2 45 42 1.07 Phillip Rivers 16 10 1 16 21 5 16 13 2 52 48 1.08 Jay Cutler 14 14 0 5 5 2 15 11 5 37 34 1.09 Marcus Mariota 15 15 1 15 9 5 12 10 6 46 42 1.10 Ben Roethlisberger 15 14 1 14 13 2 11 16 0 46 40 1.15 Tever Siemian 10 14 2 14 10 2 0 0 0 28 24 1.17 Eli Manning 15 13 5 16 16 5 16 14 4 57 47 1.21 Ryan FItzpatrick 3 3 0 11 17 1 16 15 2 38 30 1.27 Blake Bortles 15 13 3 16 16 6 16 18 5 61 47 1.30 Jameis Winston 13 11 7 16 18 6 16 15 2 59 45 1.31 Josh McCown 13 9 4 3 6 4 8 4 6 33 24 1.38 Andrew Luck 0 0 0 15 13 5 7 12 1 31 22 1.41

Found this pretty interesting: "Last year, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. And from 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. In the decade of the ’70s, when turnover rates were much higher, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. From 1950 to 2016, the average winning percentage of teams that won the turnover battle was 78%, too." http://www.footballperspective.com/winning-the-turnover-battle/ Really, it's pretty amazing how that percentage hasn't changed at all when you consider all of the changes in the league over that time. People can also downplay Taylor's limited turnovers all they want, but the stats don't lie. I'm going to do a breakdown shortly of all QBs with 30+ games played over the past 3 years to see their turnovers per game (including INTs and Fumbles). My assumption is that Taylor will be at least top 10, and likely top 5.

So Taylor could field offers from teams for starting spots even though he wasn't a free agent last year? Weird - I would have thought that would constitute as tampering. Not to mention, he's currently the 20th highest paid QB, so why go to a new team and a new city? If you don't think that Taylor would start for another team next year, when guys like Mike Glennon and Tom Savage started for teams at the beginning of this year, then you are kidding yourself.

I would say that Mariota did, but I wasn't the one trying to argue otherwise. I don't think Mariota is garbage. I'm just saying that Mariota isn't better than Taylor at this point. Sure Mariota has more upside, and I know he's been better than Taylor in the 4th quarter. It's not that I think Taylor is some savior who is a top 10 QB, but it's the fact that people want to discard Taylor when there is no reason to. They can still draft a QB and keep Taylor. Lets look at the past 3 years too.... 43 games started, 23 wins and 20 losses, 10,432 total yards, 65 total TDs and 21 total turnovers. 42 games started, 20 wins and 22 losses, 10,389 total yards, 67 total TDs, 46 total turnovers. Which one of the above is better? Probably the first one, right? More wins, about the same yards, but then a TD to INT differential of +44 to +21. First stat line is Taylor and second is Mariota. Believe it or not, turnovers are bad. Turnovers lead to more losses. From 1950 to 2016, the average winning percentage of teams that won the turnover battle was 78%.

Man you're dumb. So by that logic you just used, if it's all on the QB, then Taylor got the Bills to the playoffs. Can't have it just that way for Mariota. You're seriously trying to argue that Mariota was better than Taylor this year because Mariota threw for less TDs and more INTs.

1) That argument makes no sense and does a laughable job at ignoring what I presented to you. Facts are tough to argue with though when you are coming from a point of sheer stupidity. I get it. Answer the question - do the Bills make the playoffs if Taylor threw 15 ints like Mariota this season? You can't. You'll ignore it again because you can't argue with logic and reason. 2) If Taylor isn't on the Bills next year he's starting somewhere else. If you can't see that, then its clear you don't understand what the QB situation is like in the league. Maybe ask the Browns how Kizer was for them. But have a happy new year filled with delusion and illogical rantings.