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Again we are just going to have to agree to disagree that winning is a QB stat. Strange that after Flacco signed that huge deal and the defense got worse all of a sudden he didn't win as much. Flacco has a history of winning. 3 years ago this wouldn't have been a conversation. Now however Flacco has a knee injury and 2 straight years of poor performance. Add in that he is 32 to TT's 27 and the conversation becomes even muckier. Do you agree that Tyrod outplayed Flacco last year? Weirdly Eli had a worse year last year than in 2014 and 2015 but the team performed much better. After back to back 6-10 season where Eli went for 30 and 35 tds with 14 ints he went for 26 tds and 16 ints and the team went 11-5. The difference was in 2016 they had a defense. Eli is a strange QB. He's good and terrible in the same game and in the same series even. His career completion % is less than 60. He has finished with 2 games of 8-8 9 of 12 years. Just a hard guy to get a handle on. He is certainly someone I would take oveer Trevor Simeon though lol.

I typed and submitted a response yesterday but was drunk so I deleted it lol. I think the problem is how the commercials are layed out with the new rule changes. Now that they review every td, increased scoring, and made the return a non play there is a huge gap between meaningful football. THe majority of that gap is commercials. So a td gets scored, reviewed, pat, commercial, touch back, commercial. Somewhere around 5 minutes (if not more) after every td before meaningful plays are run. It becomes very noticeable when teams score 7-8 times a game combined.

Flacco has been bad for 2 years now. He is living off the (distant) memory of a SB win. Last year Tyrod had more tds, less ints, a better QB Rating, a better QBR, higher ypa, lower int%, higher td %, less sack yards taken. So please explain how Flacco is way better than TT. Oh yeah because you love wins and losses for a QB TT is 15-14 as a starter the last 2 years (.517 win%) and Flacco is 11-15 (.423 win%) over the same period.

Smith and Bradford without even blinking an eye for me. Please stop with the QB wins a lot of games. Do you really place the success of KC at the feet of Alex Smith? Not the defense that led the league in turnovers and had the 7th ranked scoring defense? The coach who has a .602 career winning percentage (35th all time)? Special Teams that contributed 3 tds (most in the league).

Arguments that can be made: Bradford is always a risk to get hurt. He has only played a full season 2 out of 6 years. The Vikings offense went in the tank after their 5-0 start. After his first 4 games the Vikes put up 10,10,16, and 20 points. The Vikings as a team scored 20 or less points in 7 of his 15 starts. They scored 10 or less in 3 games. Bradford contributed less tds that TT did as well. 20 to 23. Alex Smith. You know your argument is in trouble when you have to go to calling him a winner. He stats are very similar and mostly a little worse than TT on a much better team with a much better supporting defense. Palmer is clearly on the downside of his career. For just 1 year I would probably take Palmer but going forward the Cards have to be looking for a replacement. I would add Flacco into the mix as well for an argument to be made. He was flat out terrible this year.

Wasn't Kromer exposed in Chicago as a leak? Excellent Analysis. I'd love to see the numbers with rushing totals added if you find the time. I think it would move him into the middle of the pack but not sure.

It's okay when you're proven wrong to admit it buddy. Nobody will think less of you...

It is quite possible. I don't think he has but we won't know until next season. The flashes I saw in Miami and Seattle make me want to see more. Consistency certainly needs improving but to me that comes from playing more.

Okay how about this... No Rex was not hands on with the QB. Did TT receive as good or better QB coaching with A Lynn and David Lee than Smith did with Harbaugh and Reid? Smith and TT did run the same system for those 2 years each. Want to guess who had better numbers?

You make me laugh.... Which is more of a QB stat? The one where the whole team has a say or the one where one guy has the ball in his hand every snap? Reid is okay but nothing special? Then what does that make Rex? How is Smith good when his team went 41-20 or whatever it was but the coach who has a ton more say in overall record be just okay?

No I didn't that is 14 more points taken away from them. So that brings them down to 22.5 ppg. How about Rich Gannon? He sucked for 11. I know Rex isn't an offensive coach. I was asking who would have received the better coaching for the QB position. TT with Rex or Smith with Harbaugh and Reid.

I think Smith is a worse version of Taylor. Sure he might be cheaper but if he hits the market I have to imagine he will command money close to what Tyrod is getting. Don't forget the Jets just paid Fitzpatrick 12 million last year. I think TT will keep growing. Smith is a great example of players growing as late as the 6th / 7th year in their career and he had the benefit of starting for those years. Hoyer, Smith, Fitz again, Glennon, none of those guys excite me. A rookie I will be hopeful for but I'd rather keep TT even if the plan is to draft a QB. I've put it elsewhere but the Bills team commitment to the position would still be under 20 million with a first round QB and TT.

Absolutely a terrible call. However as the old saying goes, you can't put yourself in a position where one call can cost you the game.

I love how you skipped bolding the last line as it pertained to exactly what you are complaining about. The reason I posted those old stats is people love to say that TT is a finished product after 6 years in the league. Smith disproves that notion as he got a lot better that late in his career and he had the benefit of a bunch of starts before it clicked and excellent QB coaching. Do you think TT got excellent QB coaching these last 2 years? Do you think Rex is on par with a Harbaugh or Reid?

Is W-L a QB stat? Seriously you hurt your argument when you go there. My previous post has some 2017 FACTS for you. Tyrod has gone for 47 tds and 12 ints over the last 2 years. Smith has gone for 42 tds and 15 ints. Do I really need to keep going with this?

So he isn't durable then? If you hate Tyrod then you would hate Smith as the QB of the Bills. Here is some more for you: It took until his 6th year in the league to complete more than 60% of his passes. He averaged 179 yards passing per game over his first 6 years. Tyrod has averaged 209 over the last 2. Over the last 2 years Smith has gained 245.8 yards combined per game. Tyrod 248.4.

KC scored 24.3 ppg while Buffalo scored 24.9. Seems close right? Here is where I use the Tyrod hater argument... KC had 5 defensive tds to Buffalos 3. Already the Defense spotted them 14 points. KC D had 33 takeaways most in the league, Buffalo had 18. KC Defense gave them 15 extra possessions. Buffalo played a harder schedule (.520 win % vs. .496) How about some common opponent fun: Tyrod gets killed for the Oakland game, The Bills scored 24 in that game. KC played them twice and scored 26 and 21 points. Chiefs played the Jets and held them to 3 points. The Bills gave up 37 and 30 respectively. Chiefs scored 19 against the lowly Jags, the Bills 28.

Alex Smith in 2016: 3636 yards, 20 tds, 8 ints Tyrod Taylor in 2016: 3603 yards, 23 tds, 6 ints in what everyone says was a down year and reason to move on. Tyrod is already as good as Alex Smith and maybe has potential to grow. Alex is who he is. Smith also hurts the argument against Tyrod of who gets better after 6 years in the league. After 6 years Smith was almost out of the league. He got to start a lot over his first 6 years and only once passed for more than 3000 yards. Smith has a worse career comp %, a high of 23 passing tds over 11 years and has only passed for more than 20 twice, a career QB Rating of 85.3 (TT is 92.3), and played a full season 3 times in 11 years. You can't want to move on from Tyrod and simultaneously want Alex Smith. Smith got to play for Harbaugh and Andy Reid. Tyrod got to play for Rex.

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I like Watson and wouldn't mind him as the Bills qb of the future but I feel like that article could have just as easily been written about tyrod. Going from Baltimore to the final Miami game.

I wasn't trying to come across as a douche. I don't care one bit if the jersey has ads and I don't understand why people do.

As nicely as possible... I don't understand this opinion at all. I don't care if they have 50 adverts on jerseys. European soccer has it and it is no big deal, Nascar has it and it is no big deal, the NBA is about to add it to jerseys. I'm all for almost anything that limits commercials.

You continue to trot out 29 TDs rushing vs 17 passing as proof that tyrod is terrible. You realize that tyrod had 6 of those rushing TDs right? Therefore he accounted for 23 TDs. Does it matter that he ran instead of passed or does it matter that the team scored them with him leading them?

Lucky to only be down 8. Setting basketball back to preshot clock era...

I can see the complaint about it. From the article: Ousted by the Bills, he no longer needs to have a home near Buffalow. but it is near the badly battered city of Buffalo, the first, I can't imagine is a typo and the second is unnecessary.