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No I 100% agree with you. I'm disagreeing with his assertion that neither of those teams have a strong running game.

Paging Majbobby to respond. Atlanta has a pair of really good running backs in Coleman and Freeman. NE has a big bruiser in Blount (led league in TDs) and 2 very capable pass catching backs in Lewis and White. Seriously your takes are showing how little football you watch around the league.

You are right.... now it's 0-36! I did indeed post this little stat to show that many stats can be manipulated. Also to show that some stats are much more team stats than qb stats. Rodgers has many times put his team in position to win only to have his defense fail him. Another interesting (read stupid) stat from yesterday. Rodgers is the first Qb to take his team to the post season 6 straight years and not qualify for the super bowl in any of them.

After some thought... I'll go with selling home games to Toronto. That move was an insult to fans, opened the door to the team moving, and was a clear cash grab. Close second is the Jauron extension. Signing up for more of that was unbelievable to me.

Absolutely! If we were discussing TT though I'm sure that stat would be chalked up to garbage time lol.

Believe me I'm not saying TT is rodgers. Rodgers is in arguably a top 3 qb in the game right now. I'm arguing against how stupid the 4th quarter comebacks stat is. It is a team stat much more than a qb stat imo. This 0-35 includes games where gb took the lead and the defense gave up a game winning score.

That article is from 2013 and doesn't take into account w/l record of opponent. I posted in a different thread but Rodgers only averages 1 4th quarter comebacks a year over his career. Since this is one of the main things used to bash TT I wanted to show what the best qb in the game does.

Scott kacsmar is the name of the guy that tweeted it out yesterday. I'm not on Twitter but saw it on reddit.

When trailing in the 4th,quarter by more than 1 point against teams with a winning record. You know why I posted this stat Tyrod haters.

Gunner I like your list but moved some people around. Here is what I got: 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Tom Brady 3. Drew Brees 5. Matt Ryan (4) 4. Ben Rothlisberger (5) 6. Philip Rivers 7. Russell Wilson 8. Andrew Luck 9. Matthew Stafford 13. Derek Carr (10) 10. Eli Manning (11) 15. Jameis Winston (12) 12. Cam Newton (13) 14. Marcus Mariota (14) 19. Kirk Cousins (15) 16. Dak Prescott 18. Andy Dalton (17) 17. Alex Smith (18) 21. Tyrod Taylor (19) 20. Ryan Tannehill (20) 11. Joe Flacco (21) 22. Sam Bradford 23. Carson Palmer 25. Carson Wentz (24) 24. Jay Cutler (25) 26. Blake Bortles 31. Colin Kaepernick (27) 27. Trevor Seimian (28) 30. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 32. Robert Griffin III (30) 28. Brock Osweiler (31) 29. Jared Goff (32) I had to get rid of your categories as I moved guys around but most of my list is close to yours.

Yeah me too that is why I chose to bold that section. TT may not ever be a top 5 QB in the league but I see a guy still developing and right around the 20th best qb give or take a guy. His money doesn't make him an albatross a la Flacco and his stauts doesn't preclude the Bills from drafting someone. Try to get better at the position but it doesn't mean they have to get worse to do that. Maintain status quo AND try to improve. It is so simple!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-rumors-cleveland-browns-to-pursue-tyrod-taylor-if-cut-by-buffalo-bills-011717 The Buffalo Bills are a mess. Not only did they hire and fire former head coach Rex Ryan in a two-year span, but are seriously considering cutting their Pro Bowl starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor. For whatever reason, his 61.7 completion percentage for 3,023 yards, 17 passing touchdowns and six interceptions in 15 games isn’t good enough to keep him as a long-term solution in Buffalo. Being labeled as Ryan’s guy totally hurts him, but Taylor is at very worst a serviceable starting quarterback in the NFL. He is certainly better than E.J. Manuel, Cardale Jones, or whomever the Bills could draft at No. 10 in the 2017 NFL Draft. Everything us that are members of the COT( because somehow it is a knock to support a player on our favorite team ) have been saying. So at least 1 team will be bidding on his services...

It is hilarious that the Pats* fan on the board is okay with whining That said the NBA implemented something like this a few years ago. The new rule that Javie referred to is an attempt by the N.B.A. to cut down on the whining and muttering, the arm-waving and air-punching, the drawn-out contentiousness that is often generated by foul calls players disagree with. If players cannot keep a lid on the complaining, they will receive a technical. It has worked tremendously well and I would love to see it in the NFL. It was embarrassing this weekend watching the games and watching these grown men act like babies. How annoying is it to see every wr call for pi on every route run? How ridiculous is it that coaches can just berate the officials on the sideline? This rule could work and should be implemented. The NBA is enjoying great success recently. A rule can and should be put in place. They are adults and should act like it... To the OP though the NFL NEEDS to go to the college replay system. If the call is wrong it should be corrected it shouldn't matter the circumstance. College does it right and it doesn't mess with the flow as much as I expected it to.

Which was more than Seattle the very next week. Houston made it with the 29th ranked passing game, Miami made it with the 26th, Dallas with the 23rd. Buffalo had more yards on the year than KC, Detroit, Miami, NYG, and Houston. Buffalo scored more points than 11 of the 16 playoff teams. Buffalo's Defense on the other hand only finished better in yards that playoff teams Miami, Oakland, KC, and Houston. Buffalo's Defense gave up less points than 4 of the 16 playoff teams. Just some MORE food for thought.

I don't want to go digging but I do remember you saying that Hoyer was your option and drafting someone. You don't strike me as someone that would be happy with regression from the starting QB position. I think TT outperformed both highly drafted QBs from this last year. So can I get Majbobby to go on record saying his preferred course of action is KEEPING TT and drafting a qb?

Flacco was better than TT. If you read the original post I stated that he is living off his reputation from the SB a few years ago. Flacco has been bad the last 2 years. Look to RG3 and Cousins for a perfect example of why there was no competition. You don't draft a guy in the first round to sit him for your 6th rounder and up until this year I wouldn't have said TT is better than Flacco. Maybe it is the knee injury, maybe it is something else but he sucks bad now. I gave you all the way to 21. Where would you rank your solution Brian Hoyer? Yeah Flacco beat TT that is exactly how the NFL works. Flacco's mighty 13 points

Yeah I supposed this is the Watson thread. I would perfectly okay with the picking up TT AND trying to get better at the position. It makes no logical sense to me to get worse at the position in the hopes of getting better. At 10 drafting a QB and picking up Tyrod would put the Bills at about the 20th most cap space in the league commited to QBs. Yes I absolutely would. Wentz had a few good games to start the year and then people stopped paying attention to him. Wentz threw for less Tds, had less total tds, a worse QB rating, a worse QBR, more ints. Here is a fun stat for you. After his first 3 games (so the final 13) he threw for 11 tds and 14 ints. People have got to stop trumpeting Wentz if they want to be taken seriously when discussing TT. The Eagles went 4-9 over that span so please people stop using Wentz. All it does is show you watched sportscenter in September. Brandon Tate is really the name you want to use. Doesn't that show just how sorry the receiving corps was though. I will give you credit though. Texas Roadhouse is amazing. Best ribs I have ever had!

It is stupid and pointless to write a negative spin piece on a guy's first day on the job. It does nothing productive. Are you telling me that a piece couldn't have been written about who McDermott is and the style he will bring? All it does is incite people. It further drives a wedge between the team and the paper limiting access. It is a self serving article as all it does is show that getting clicks is more important that content.

Just Googled Joe Flacco. That's it, I didn't add anything to it. Here is the 2nd result. He has to play, but there can be no more excuses. It's not as if his performance just dropped off this season. He wasn't very good in 2015, either. Flacco played in 10 games that year before he suffered a season-ending knee injury. He completed 266 of 413 passes for 2,791 yards and 14 touchdowns. He also had 12 interceptions and finished with a quarterback rating of 83.1. This season Flacco finished with 4,317 passing yards by completing 436 of 672 passes, but he also threw 15 interceptions and had mechanical and accuracy problems. Bisciotti thought Flacco's difficulties were related to the injury. When the offensive line got hit by injuries early in the season, Flacco got rid of the ball too quickly. They need to criticize Flacco for poor footwork and pocket awareness. They need to demand patience going through his progressions instead of throwing to his check-down guys so quickly. Agree with all of this. I would like to see a team built up around TT. Then I would like to see some competition for him. Some say you can't win with TT and KC is doing just that with a TT clone. I don't know if TT is the long term answer at this point I would lean no. He is however without a doubt the best option for the Bills. They can keep TT AND try to get better at the position it doesn't have to be one or the other.

I did indeed forget Carr and Stafford (like I said I'm sure I missed at least 1). I left Flacco off because he was terrible this year. Flacco - 6.42 ypa, 22 total tds, 15 ints, 3 fumbles lost, 58.6 QBR, 83.5 QB Rating Tyrod - 6.93 ypa, 23 total tds, 6 ints, 2 fumbles lost, 67.4 QBR, 89.6 QB Rating I ranked Tyrod above Carson because he is a shell of himself. Going forward I would prefer Tyrod to Carson Palmer. It isn't too far off either: Carson - 7.09 ypa, 26 total tds, 14 ints, 4 fumbles lost, 60.4 QBR, 87.2 QB Rating Alex Smith is Tyrod Taylor. He is the best player comparison in the league to me. He takes care of the ball, is mobile, and can struggle passing the ball. He also proves you can win with a TT type of QB. Even assuming I give you those guys, that puts him at no worse than 21. However you using Flacco and Carson speaks to me point of many of the TT bashers don't watch other teams. Hell you would have to try hard to say that Cam had a better year than TT and be able to prove it with any appreciable stat. Eli struggled this year as well. Watch other teams and you will see a lot of the things that you and others crucify TT for from their QBs. Dammit it took me too long to get stats and post my reply!

I am convinced that a lot of posters here that bemoan TT don't watch other qbs week in and week out. I made a list to see where I thought TT stacked up. I would like to ask anyone to challenge me on this: (in no order just gonna go stream of consiousness) Much Better: Brady Roethlisberger Rodgers Matt Ryan Drew Brees Andrew Luck Russell Wilson A little Better: Cam Dalton Winston Dak Cousins Eli Jameis Mariota Going with those names Tyrod is the 16th best QB, yes I left out Flacco who is living on a SB from a few years ago, the corpse of Carson Palmer, and others. I could even make an argument against Cousins and Dalton that wouldn't take too much work and Eli if you looked at his performance this year. For the TT haters please tell me who I missed (I'm sure it was at least one) but doing this exercise yourself might show you that he is better than you think when stacked up against the rest of the league. TT contract next year would make him the 17th highest paid qb next year which would be right in line with production.

I got tricked into giving the guy a click. Can we take the link out of the op so he doesn't get any other freebies?

Aww dammit. Part of the reason I liked this hire is there wasn't an obvious play on the name! Maroon Wrecks and now you've taken that from me! Seriously 4th quarter comebacks is such a stupid stat. If a QB plays great for 3 quarters and the team has a commanding lead no credit for a 4th quarter comeback If a defense scores a td and the team takes the lead the QB gets credit for a 4th quarter comeback If a team scores on the first play of the 4th quarter to take the lead, 4th quarter comeback. Here is some fun too (and a great example in making stats useless): Aaron Rodgers has 10 4th quarter comebacks. He averages about 1 per year. Same as Tyrod. Also averages about 1 every 15 starts same as Tyrod. Jay Cutler has 21 4th quarter comebacks. Clearly he is a clutch qb. Dave Krieg had 24 which is more than Jim Kelly (22). Tony Romo who many consider anti-clutch has 25. Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Josh Freeman, and Jay Fiedler (as well as a bunch of other scrubs) have the same as Kurt Warner.

Blokes! Then he said Walter Football analyzes and scouts College players! Just messing with you but Kizer has been universally panned since declaring. It has been Trubisky and Watson as the top 2 qbs in the draft for a good bit now. The process begins now though. Regardless of what we have read or seen up to this point. Last year Goff and Wentz weren't the first 2 picks off the board. I think Trubisky is the first qb off the board with Watson not too far behind him (even though I prefer Watson). I won't be shocked if that is in the top 10. I'm torn about this draft. I don't know if I prefer picking up the option on TT and drafting Watson, skipping Watson altogether and building on the team, etc...