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I love how you skipped bolding the last line as it pertained to exactly what you are complaining about. The reason I posted those old stats is people love to say that TT is a finished product after 6 years in the league. Smith disproves that notion as he got a lot better that late in his career and he had the benefit of a bunch of starts before it clicked and excellent QB coaching. Do you think TT got excellent QB coaching these last 2 years? Do you think Rex is on par with a Harbaugh or Reid?

Is W-L a QB stat? Seriously you hurt your argument when you go there. My previous post has some 2017 FACTS for you. Tyrod has gone for 47 tds and 12 ints over the last 2 years. Smith has gone for 42 tds and 15 ints. Do I really need to keep going with this?

So he isn't durable then? If you hate Tyrod then you would hate Smith as the QB of the Bills. Here is some more for you: It took until his 6th year in the league to complete more than 60% of his passes. He averaged 179 yards passing per game over his first 6 years. Tyrod has averaged 209 over the last 2. Over the last 2 years Smith has gained 245.8 yards combined per game. Tyrod 248.4.

KC scored 24.3 ppg while Buffalo scored 24.9. Seems close right? Here is where I use the Tyrod hater argument... KC had 5 defensive tds to Buffalos 3. Already the Defense spotted them 14 points. KC D had 33 takeaways most in the league, Buffalo had 18. KC Defense gave them 15 extra possessions. Buffalo played a harder schedule (.520 win % vs. .496) How about some common opponent fun: Tyrod gets killed for the Oakland game, The Bills scored 24 in that game. KC played them twice and scored 26 and 21 points. Chiefs played the Jets and held them to 3 points. The Bills gave up 37 and 30 respectively. Chiefs scored 19 against the lowly Jags, the Bills 28.

Alex Smith in 2016: 3636 yards, 20 tds, 8 ints Tyrod Taylor in 2016: 3603 yards, 23 tds, 6 ints in what everyone says was a down year and reason to move on. Tyrod is already as good as Alex Smith and maybe has potential to grow. Alex is who he is. Smith also hurts the argument against Tyrod of who gets better after 6 years in the league. After 6 years Smith was almost out of the league. He got to start a lot over his first 6 years and only once passed for more than 3000 yards. Smith has a worse career comp %, a high of 23 passing tds over 11 years and has only passed for more than 20 twice, a career QB Rating of 85.3 (TT is 92.3), and played a full season 3 times in 11 years. You can't want to move on from Tyrod and simultaneously want Alex Smith. Smith got to play for Harbaugh and Andy Reid. Tyrod got to play for Rex.

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I like Watson and wouldn't mind him as the Bills qb of the future but I feel like that article could have just as easily been written about tyrod. Going from Baltimore to the final Miami game.

I wasn't trying to come across as a douche. I don't care one bit if the jersey has ads and I don't understand why people do.

As nicely as possible... I don't understand this opinion at all. I don't care if they have 50 adverts on jerseys. European soccer has it and it is no big deal, Nascar has it and it is no big deal, the NBA is about to add it to jerseys. I'm all for almost anything that limits commercials.

You continue to trot out 29 TDs rushing vs 17 passing as proof that tyrod is terrible. You realize that tyrod had 6 of those rushing TDs right? Therefore he accounted for 23 TDs. Does it matter that he ran instead of passed or does it matter that the team scored them with him leading them?

Lucky to only be down 8. Setting basketball back to preshot clock era...

I can see the complaint about it. From the article: Ousted by the Bills, he no longer needs to have a home near Buffalow. but it is near the badly battered city of Buffalo, the first, I can't imagine is a typo and the second is unnecessary.

Not sure if they showed on TV but that was the tamest court storming I have ever seen!

Yeah I went to spotrac and sorted by positional spending, qb, and then full roster cap No problem! I love pulling numbers like this. Some interesting numbers gleaned from this. Looking at this it does seem that teams have a window at the start of a rookie qb, if they are as good as advertised, to build up a team around him. I believe it was Nix's idea he just never found his QB. Another thought: overpaying for average to below average qb play has hampered several teams on this list. This exercise really brought me around on the line of thinking for people that want to move on from TT. If they think this is all he will be I get it. I don't share the opinion that he is done growing but I at least can see where they are coming from. I still want him kept but it gave me a better understanding of their position.

No unfortunately I didn't break it down like that. I can't waste that much time at work!

I fixed it in the op. You can now come to this thread unafraid!

Then you phrased it very poorly by tacking on win totals at the end. Wins and losses are caused by so many more things than just the QB. Look at the names of the guys I listed previously. We would all agree those QBs are better than Tyrod yet their teams finished with worse records. I absolutely 100% want TT back. I don't think he is done developing even though I agree he took a step back this year. His first 2 years starting mirror Russel Wilson's quite nicely. Wilson was given the luxury of a top notch defense and rode it all the way to a super bowl. With another off season of maturation physically and mentally I would like to see if he can duplicate the Seattle and Miami games. I started another thread with qb cost per team per win but even if the Bills were to draft a guy in the first and keep TT they still would only have about 20 million in cap space tied up in the position. The only reason not to keep Tyrod is if they think he has completely developed. I can't argue against that I just don't believe it to be true. As I said in the Watson thread if we had a rookie come in and after 2 years perform at the level TT only the most negative of negative posters would want to move on. He has his warts but I think he is still growing as a QB.

How?!?!? but thank you!

why is it so hard to paste and post a table! Anyone know how to do it?

This came up in another thread. The question posed was how much did each win cost in QB salary. I didn't quite follow it but I took the positional group as a whole and divided it by wins. Here are the results: Team Cost Wins Total Den 2,261,158 9 251,240 Oak 4,623,009 12 385,251 Tenn 7,534,058 9 837,118 TB 8,192,029 9 910,225 NE 15,245,534 14 1,088,967 Mia 13,174,117 10 1,317,412 Phi 9,850,243 7 1,407,178 Buff 10,292,562 7 1,470,366 Minn 12,583,908 8 1,572,989 Hous 14,412,646 9 1,601,405 KC 20,170,000 12 1,680,833 Dallas 24,140,848 13 1,856,988 Seattle 18,997,000 10 1,899,700 GB 19,910,318 10 1,991,032 NYJ 10,107,897 5 2,021,579 PITT 25,334,805 11 2,303,164 ATL 25,500,000 11 2,318,182 NYG 25,588,400 11 2,326,218 LAR 9,453,311 4 2,363,328 Cin 14,195,413 6 2,365,902 Indy 19,900,000 8 2,487,500 Det 23,338,820 9 2,593,202 NO 18,500,000 7 2,642,857 Wash 22,237,333 8 2,779,667 Ariz 20,967,646 7 2,995,378 Balt 24,050,000 8 3,006,250 SD 17,180,000 5 3,436,000 Jax 10,864,198 3 3,621,399 Car 22,310,000 6 3,718,333 Chi 20,140,352 3 6,713,451 SF 20,228,753 2 10,114,377 Cle 11,022,378 1 11,022,378 522306736 254 2,056,326 Some interesting things: bottom 3 teams per win are the top 3 teams picking. Part of that is because of the small number fo wins but in the case of Chicago and SF they have quite a bit of money tied up in subpar qbs. The average is just over 2 million per win. Only 4 of the playoff teams went over the average. The other 8 were under. The best win:cost ratio were for 4 teams that have rookie qb contracts. NE being 5th is just criminal. IMO part of what makes Brady so good is his willingness to take less money than his competitors to help have a better team around him. Flacco got paid and his team is now terrible because of it. If Buffalo extends Tyrod and has his cap hit of 17 million while winning 17 games they would be at the 10th highest cost per win. If they were to improve to 9 wins they would drop all the way to 19th.

I'm a sucker for something like this. I'll try to work it out... For the last time.... Wins and Losses are not a QB stat. Your hypothetical is inane at best. Nobody that wants to keep Tyrod thinks that doing so will net 6 wins nor do they want to see that from the Bills. You are making schedule projections in January ffs. When the schedule came out last year did you think the Bills would beat the Bengals? Did you think the Panthers would finish as poorly as they did? Phillip Rivers, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Drew Brees, and the #1 and #2 pick from last year all finished with 7 or fewer wins last year.

Way off topic but both baby oil and hand sanitizer will get rid of permanent marker without much effort. Sharpies used to be a big problem during my younger days when drinking lol.

Just last year Fitz was given 12 million and Bradford signed a 2 year 35 million dollar contract. Both of those were considered to be bridge guys. You really need to look around the league for what the contract pays and where that places him. On the face of 40 million it seems extreme until you see that it puts him as the 17th highest paid QB. Ignoring the absence of Watkins for the majority of the year and the abysmal receiving corps in general would be indicative of an agenda... Didn't qualify obviously. Even if Dak hadn't planted him on the bench he wasn't healthy enough to return until week 10. Romo has played in 5 games in the last 2 seasons, will be 37 at the start of next season, and hasn't played a full season since 2012. How can anyone think he is reliable enough to lean on as a bridge? It's over for Romo.

Dammit! How can you say TT has reached his ceiling? Carr has certainly passed him. Bridgewater has a severe knee injury, may never play again, and put up worse stats that TT in almost every single catergory. Garropolo has sat behind Brady and played in a few games. He could be Steve Young or he could be Rob Johnson. Why can't TT continue to develop? He is 27 years old and about to enter the age where most qbs play their best. I want to add to this discussion... If the Bills draft a QB and in his first 2 years he gets invited to the pro bowl both years and puts up TT's stats would anyone want to move on from him? Is the difference between him being 24 and 27 really that huge? If we draft Watson and he goes for 47 tds and 12 ints and over 7000 yards wouldn't we all be ecstatic? We have a guy that just did that and people want to move on. Whomever the Bills draft the majbobbys and Ryan L Billz of the board will be ready to declare him a bust after his first preseason game...

no worries! (I wonder how many bumps it will take before he comes back to respond )