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Your narrative: Tyrod sucks Everyone in the league knows Tyrod sucks Tyrod knows everyone in the league knows he sucks because his Agent broke the rules to find out what kind of contract he could get Teams tamper all the time even with players who aren't set to become UFA Tyrod came crawling back to the Bills for a pay cut because teams told him he wouldn't get any offers near what the Bills were giving him

I was also in favor of giving him a second season and for most of the year a 3rd. After the Raiders game I started to waffle, then after the 200 yards given to Leveon I started leaning away slightly. After the Miami game though I was all for letting him go. Not having 11 on the field AGAIN in a critical spot, letting a team in it at the end AGAIN, giving up 200 yards on the ground AGAIN. It appeared, that as another poster stated, Rex didn't really care. I ended up at the same place with Mario Williams. When you don't care enough to give maximum effort you can go. Others opined that Rex cared more about the title than being a football coach. I now agree with them. He was in love with being a celebrity. His teams lacked consistency because imo he lacked consistency in game prep. Some weeks you could tell he was invested and others he looked like he didn't give a sh*t. He took cronyism to a whole new level. It sucks that it didn't work, it sucks that he didn't put in the effort to make it work, it sucks that the Bills had to find a new coach (and system) 2 years later, but it doesn't suck that Rex won't be the HC next year.

I accidentally put this in the Rodgers thread but since this thread won't die I figured I'd move it here. It was posted in response to xcrushx saying TT fans talked out of both sides of their mouth... 70 pages really just boils down to this....

I have a feeling Weidman will protest and it will be moved to a NC. Replay is not allowed in NYS so they should not have used it to determine the knees were legal. Either way I'm sure we will see the rematch soon.

This is exactly where I am. In this draft class I think it is reasonable to see 2 or 3 guys sitting in the second round of the Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes, Kizer group. That is where I am thinking the qb will be selected if still there at 44. That said the Bills may determine they don't like any of these guys or not enough at 44. We can argue if those valuations are correct but at least they are out there doing the work.

I see you fc.... rex got his understudy time with the ravens (look a parallel you missed!). Then he was given 6 years to prove he didn't have it. you're analogy falls short. If you want to draw the lines TT needs to be given 6 years as the starting qb. Even worse for your post, Rex was given a second chance to be the guy with another team before he was written off. So I guess what your post is saying is TT gets 4 more years behind center!

I've seen multiple accounts that weidman told the doctors he couldn't continue before the knees were rules legal. once they were rules legal he wanted to continue. speculation is that he was trying to get a victory the easy way. He looked out of to me though and I have no problem with the decision.

Right now: Tyrod is right around the 20th best qb in the league imo. He is exciting while running with the ball but needs to improve as a passer. He does a great job taking care of the football but takes too many sacks when he could just throw the ball out and save a few yards. He throws a good deep ball but bails from pockets sometimes and misfires on some throws he should make. Their is good and bad with him as a player but the offense ran very well under him. The last 2 years the team has had an offense that scored a bunch of points was the best we've seen in many years. Going forward: I'm excited to see what he can be. I care more about the 29 starts than the previous years sitting on the bench in regards to his development. If the Bills drafted a qb that went for 47 tds and 12 ints after 2 years in the league we would all be ecstatic. The last time we saw him on the field he put on a show. Whatever you have to say about the Dolphins he showed he can do that to an NFL defense. He also put on a show on mnf. In a place vaunted as one of the toughest to play in, on primetime, against a great defense he again played excellent. That shows me he can do it. The question becomes can he do it consistently. I'd like to find out the answer to that question while he is in a Bills uniform. It's not talking out of both sides of my mouth you just think he has peaked and I don't. All of the back and forth in all of these threads boils down to that one difference. I could run a poll and tell you fire chan, Ryan l, you, jeffismagic, old-school, etc... all think that he is done developing and is what he is and won't improve in your opinions. jfh, bobonators, transplant, myself, "the cot" if you will, don't think he is at his ceiling. You guys have all made it clear you think he is at his ceiling and have made up your mind. We haven't made up ours yet. edit: holy crap I just realized this ended up in the Aaron Rodgers thread. This would fit better in the Tyrod highlight thread.

no worries Yolo! I just figured I'd explain the nuance of the post since some were trying to say I was comparing the 2 and further bash the "cot" unfortunately I know more about Rodgers than I care to with my wife being a bachelorette fanatic. his brother strikes me as kind of a douche and I'm not entirely convinced Rodgers wasn't using Munn as a beard (don't care) so maybe you're right, after his terrible year last year maybe he can improve 😉

I can answer that for you. No most here don't watch other teams. There are a lot of posters that don't even watch every Bills game. It drives me mad reading "analysis" from guys that I know only watched Sports center and regurgitate thoughts. Shoot once a thread goes past 1 page most don't even read the entire thing to see if their point has been discussed yet. I am the op of this thread and was surprised to see it bumped today. Aaron finally moving on from his beard I see. (I keed) For BBMBers and new guys this thread was started to poke fun at the anti TT crusaders. There favorite stat before this post was TT had never won a game when trailing by 4. This thread is a perfect example of how you can pluck a stat about most players to make them seem worse than they are. You can make it more than that if you'd like but it wasn't my intention. I thought it was a funny stat and one that showed just how skewed some stat presentations can be. Rodgers is amazing and one of the best if not the best in the game (Brady until he retires for me ). I need to type that so Crusher can get over himself . I'm pro TT and can recognize that he falls somewhere around the 20th best in the league. Hopefully he can improve and I think he can. So if you need to be an asshat and continue the "CoT" ridiculousness feel free but I recognize who he is make no mistake. I hope for better because I've seen flashes (Seattle, Miami #2), because he has only started 29 games, and because he qbs the Bills. Will he get there? Who knows? Not me. What the anti-TT people need to realize is not them either...

it blows my mind that none of you guys are comprehending what he is saying no matter how many times he says it. let me try. tyrod is not a hofer. IF (stay with me) he did what he did in 2015 over the course of his career he would it would be hof worthy. IF. Again you guys have built this wonderful strawman of cot but ignore that many of us that support tyrod do so because of any of the following. 1. he is our best option at the moment for NEXT season. 2. in some people's opinion none of the qbs in this year's draft are going to be the answer. 3. they believe tyrod isn't done improving. in this very thread FireChan talks about no substitute for game experience. 4. they want to see if the Miami and Seattle games can be built on and his consistency can be improved. 5. he plays for the bills so we root for him. I have yet to see a poster say he is definitively the answer. so let's put this asinine cot business to rest. the only hardliners people in these threads are anti TT people. take a page from gunner bill. spoke his piece, has proven to be knowledgeable, and let's it rest. we know where everyone stands at this point.

anyone play madden mobile? it's one of the best ports I've played. I kind of quit console madden I got so consumed by the mobile version. to rootabaga's point though it is interesting to see the different dynamics. I had never thought to try ahead of time but I always jumped on right after the draft. Howard is interesting as the 2 te sets would offer versatility but his lack of college production makes me nervous.

lamb chops are phenomenal. 2 parts lemon pepper 1 part salt. you won't need another recipe

Wilson intrigues me as a zone corner. just 2 names I've come across and liked what I've seen. I definitely don't put the work in you guys do though. thanks for the info!

since you guys are talking dbs... what are thoughts on quincy wilson? how about Marlon humphrey?

I love the standing buffalo too!

man I love them. my current jersey is a color rush shady. the all red looks awesome!

I agree with that. however if their guy gets taken in the top 10 I'd rather they trade down than reach for their #2 qb. this is more a thought exercise with ideas of who might be willing to trade up and what it would net the Bills.

glad I read further down as this is how I feel too. value and need line up quite well for the Bills even if they trade down. although I could see first pick being a safety if one of the top guys is there.

That's why I posted at the end of the day Friday. Killing the last of my clock! I wouldn't be mad with a qb if they have extra picks. As it stands now there are much bigger holes than QB imo (I'm a known TT supporter ) and I forgot about the hole at LB. I absolutely don't see Poyer as a starter and hope the Bills don't either. I agree with your stance on Hyde though. Thanks! If this was the draft I would run for Adams! lol. Do you think it would be better to have both groups run out? I think having a couple of each left would force teams to move up and get their guy. I definitely think NO goes defense and wouldn't be surprised to see it be a d-lineman. Sure it would but I don't know about any of these guys. Watson is my favorite but that arm strength scares me.

I think 15 is the sweet spot for players that would fit a need and gain us enough picks to make it worthwhile. Like I said some of the guys we would be happy with at 10 should still be there. We would have 3 picks in the top 46 which would allow the Bills to go WR, CB, S and address the 3 biggest holes (imo) with potential impact players. Further down 20 or so is where next year's firsts come in to play. If the long term strategy is 2018 for a QB that would be huge in allowing the Bills to move up next year. 25 is the absolute lowest I would go from 10 and that would require next years first for me. edit: and thanks

I'll look at the store for what the low abv sour was and let you know.

I know a popular idea is always to trade down. I also know the popular rebuttal is that you need a partner. I did some digging to see what teams drafting behind us need and what it would gain the Bills in return. I'm going to use the draft trade chart (even if it is a bit out of date) to make it work as best as possible. 11. Saints - right behind us, I just don't see a scenario for them to give up anything to move up a spot. 12. Browns - they have a ton of draft capital. In my mind a team would trade up because they are worried a team will grab what they want. Here the Browns would have to want defensive help to move in front of the Saints as that is where I see the Saints going. I don't think this fits the philosophy the Browns are using and I wouldn't be surprised to see Browns go best available QB. Keep that in mind. 13. Cardinals - I could see them interested in moving up. If they want their choice of QB before the Browns the Bills and Saints would be options. If Foster is sitting there I think they could try to jump ahead of the Saints who could use him. Making the trade is a bit difficult but it would look something like Buffalo gives 10, 156 (5th), and 171 (5th) for Arizona's 13 and 77. While this trade would give the Bills 4 picks in the top 77 It would lower their picks from 6 to 5. 14. Eagles - If a Jonathan Allen, Solomon Thomas, or Leonard Fournette are at 10 I could see the Eagles interested. Before FA I thought this pick was WR for sure but the Eagles made some serious moves to help their young QB (wish whaley could have done more but different topic). Philly still could take a WR with Alshon on a 1 year deal or a CB. That would make me nervous to trade with them. However a trade would look like 10 and 171 for 14 and 74. This is right in the sweet spot of improving later picks while maintaining the same amount. 15. Colts - help on the line. I think a Jonathan Allen or Solomon Thomas again could help make a move happen. Especially since I could see all 4 teams between us snapping up dl in front of them. This trade would look like 10 and 171 for 15, 46, and 158. Now we are starting to see a wide enough gap to get an extra 2nd! There are more partners as you go down the list but 15 is right around where you see a huge benefit of getting to. Down this deep though teams have to give up a lot to move up. 16. Ravens - don't remember a trade up since Flacco so I'll skip them. 17. Redskins - No GM I would be surprised to see trading around 18. Titans - If the 2 top WRs are on the board I could see them trying to get up higher than Cleveland/Philly. I don't particularly like the idea of trading with a team that will likely take a guy you like but going this far down it could just as easily be another team... They don't have a second so you would move down 8 spots in the first and get a bunch of late picks. Not a move I'd like. 19. Tampa Bay - Solomon Thomas or Jonathan Allen again. I hope this drives home the point of d-lineman being a need in these groups and why people might want to come up. However they also could use a S so if Hooker or Adams are there (I would hope the Bills would just take them) they likely wouldn't be after this pick. give 10, 75 get 19, 50, 84, 125, 162. TB would really have to like a player to mortgage almost their entire draft. Bills would have 19, 44, 50, 84, 125, 156, 162, 171, and 195. That is a lot of picks! I think this is the range where teams may be willing to part with a first next year instead of giving up a ton of their draft capital this year. 20. Broncos - Could go D-line or O-line. I think they stay put. Not big enough needs and no top o-line talent to make them move. 21. Lions - Talk to their fans. They NEED a LB. I could see Foster being eye candy for them. give 10, 171, and 195 get 21, 53, 85. 5 picks in the top 85 would be a nice boost to the Bills. 22. Miami - Trade in the division? Nah 23. NYG - O-line, maybe QB to groom I would expect them to stay put as that is the range they can grab either of those. 24. Oak - another d-line team. Possibly a CB. It would take Oaklands first 5 picks just to get enough for #10. The Raiders of old maybe. Reggie's Raiders? I don't see it. 25. Houston - QB I could see them trying to get in front of Cleveland's 2nd pick to grab their QB and I would make them pay for it. At this point a first next year would have to be on the table. They already gave up their 2nd next year so I don't know if they would be willing to do that. For a team on the cusp though it may be possible to get them to push all of their chips in. I don't think any of the rest of the teams would be moving up. 25 is about as low as the Bills could go and I think 15 might be as low as I would go. C Davis, M Williams, any of the QBs, Peppers ( ), Howard could all still be sitting there. Thoughts?

Umm she has a serious drug problem. Look at those eyes.

Victory is a 12. I'm gonna pick some up on the way home tonight. What is total wine? I'm not familiar with it. The places that sell craft beer do the same but generally I don't find sours in the selections. Probably because as you said a lot are in 750ml bottles. A friend of mine despises them and says they taste too much like wine. I see what he is talking about but I just find them delicious. Sold. I bought a 4 pack once of a sour and didn't check it was 3% abv!!! I felt like such an idiot. Separately I would be remiss to not at least mention Fat Tire by New Belgium. It is my favorite "regular" beer by far. It is an Amber Ale. I'm not a hops guy at all so IPAs and others are generally not highly rated by me. If you haven't tried it find it. You'll be glad you did.