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My favorite was TIm Duncan's DNP - OLD

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I gave you credit you made 3 throws over 259 seem like a huge difference. It was great word play. It is indeed factual but misleading none the less. Do we say the Bills have 5 times as many wins as the Giants or do we say they have 4 more wins than the Giants. Both are factually correct 1 is just really misleading. Again though I give you credit for your use of the language to make your point seem much more valid than it is. You are correct though on the statistics and maths so I apologize 4.3% better odds was wrong on my part. Like I said I'm celebrating a long week that has one more week to go. Cheers!

I like how you used the English language there. Very impressive. By saying double, quadruple, etc.. you make it seem like a huge difference. Instead of saying 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, or even at most 14 more throws you used the multiplier which makes the difference seem much greater than it is. Then you picked the most extreme example of 4.8 to .5 nicely ignoring that 3 of the guys are within 1.5% and even your extreme outlier is only 4.3% more. Then you pull 1/20 or 1/200. 4.3% better odds would be the difference between 1/20 or 1.86/20. I'll put it to you another way. Your "vast difference" between .5% and 4.8% means that Taylor would need to have attempted 12 total throws to be at 5%. So 11 more throws over his 236 attempts would make him the leader in the category. As Transplant pointed out though it isn't a throw qbs make often as 11 total throws would be more than everyone on your list save for Brady. The likely GOAT QB throwing to the likely GOAT TE. Shocker that they throw that more than anyone else in the league... btw his 236 attempts are 23-73 less throws than the other guys, is that also a vast difference? That is anywhere from 9% and 23% more throws. *started celebrating being out of work already, numbers subject to me being slightly under the influence

I guess this is as good a place as any to put this as I have been opining about it... Here is how I would help viewership for the NFL. 1. Thursday games are reserved solely for teams coming off of byes and I would schedule 2 games each week to help have a matchup that people are interested in. I know this has been discussed but I think the league could do it by 2. Adding a second bye. This would stretch the season out a bit and give players more rest while giving the NFL more Sundays to put programming on. 3. Staggered start times. Think about the first few days of the NCAA tournament. There are games running all day Thursday and Friday and seemingly games ending one right after another. This is a great design. Instead of all games being a 1 or 4/4:25 start, Have games start at 1, 1:30, 2:00, 2:30 and then again at 4, 4:30, 5. This would keep eyeballs on the league longer as their would be games that were close to the end from 4-5:30 and then again from 7-8 which would lead right into SNF. This would allow fans to see more teams and dominate Sunday. 4. MNF would be similar to Thursday in that I would have 2 games. East coast game starts at 7 West Coast game starts at 9:30. 5. Limit the amount of prime time games teams can have. How many times were the Giants on primetime to start the season? 6. Start flexing games earlier in the season. I think giving upstart teams primetime games would help with fatigue from watching the same teams over and over. What do you guys think?

This season? Bills win and brother plays well Out of the playoffs? root for Saints Playoffs yet to be determined? Bills Not quite the same but I'm a SU Basketball season ticket holder. Many in my family are Bonaventure alums including my dad, sister, aunts, uncles. My mom and her family are from Olean. 1 game a year I root against Cuse. I don't feel at all bad about it and last year they almost pulled it off! However a 30 game season is much different than 16 and the fact that Bonas is always the underdog probably plays into it.

I bolded it and think it was enough to show tbh I'm not really sure what row_33's point was in comparison to what I wrote.

Division opponent, on the road, short week, against a team playing for their season isn't as bad a loss as the Bengals in my mind. Certainly a clunker game but I was talking more about the team they lost to not the way they lost.

3:27 seconds people should spend watching this. Thanks for it! There won't be, it will just be ignored. A season and a half ago someone said "we made him a qb" and they are stuck on it. Not realizing that he has become a better qb than ever as this stat illustrates. He also has been playing well from the pocket which flies in the face of force him to stay in the pocket. I was replying to this line: so I guess if his perfect world gets turned upside down, he earns a right to pout in the corner versus showing leadership to overcome those adversities...seems overcoming those would be the initial inclination of a franchise QB in the making, but what do I know............... He isn't pouting in a corner as this poster supposed. He has led a team that many (almost all) had low expectations for to a 5-3 record. Hardly pouting, in fact he is overcoming them which would seem then that he perhaps is a franchise qb in the making as those were the guidelines set forth by the poster.

I think Thursday had a lot to do with an older team lacking depth. By the time the fourth quarter rolled around the defense was exhausted. I would be surprised to see that type of game with an extended break before Sunday's tilt with the Saints.

I saw an interesting stat Sunday about the AFC North this year. Against the Jaguars; the Ravens suffered their worst loss ever, Big Ben threw the most picks in one game in his career, and the Bengals ran the fewest offensive plays in their history. Good year to finally not have them on the schedule As for Big Ben I agree that the one game is really skewing him down but 10 tds and 4 ints are still worse than Taylor's numbers. I'd still take him for one game over a lot of guys in the NFL but I agree his days of being in the cream of the crop may be over.

You are better than me . Until the clock hits all zeros I have that pit in my stomach. The Cowboys MNF game ruined me.

I would be lying if I said that I wasn't nervous about the rest of the season but that is my bbfs creeping in. I think we gave the recipe to defeat Denver to the league. Tampa Bay is led by an immature guy and I think they quit on the season after losing to the Bills. I'm in wait and see with Oakland - I think last year was fluky with the amount of close wins they had and Carr coming back down to earth. Atlanta was doing really well against the rest of the league until playing the AFC East so I don't know what to make of it. So they aren't less impressive to me as a win is a win in the NFL. I think on the flip side I think the only loss that looks really bad right now is the Bengals game.

Nice work Hokie! I was wondering what the updated listing looked like. I'm surprised to see Dak at #1 with everything that Wentz has done so far. I'm also surprised to see Rivers and Carr as high as they are. However they aren't too far off from where I thought they would be. Cam on the other hand is way higher than I thought. He has had so many bad games this year and really only 2 great ones imo. I don't really see anyone I think you have too low though so I guess I can't argue the guys above too much. Again thanks for doing this as I know it is your own creation. Are there any qbs that you are surprised where they ended up?

So something like 5-3, 1 game outside the division lead, leading wild card team? You know on a team that most thought was tanking after the trade of Darby and Watkins?

I don't think you want to make a list because it will challenge your notion that he is terrible and also that the league is littered with these franchise guys. What has Derek Carr, Marcus Mariota, and Jameis Winston accomplished in this league? What has Joe Flacco accomplished in the last few years? Andy Dalton, Philip Rivers? Rivers hasn't had more than 9 wins in a season since 2009!

So unless we have Brady we shouldn't be happy with the qb play? I have said before there are about 4 guys in this league who play great week in and week out. The rest of the league is in the Tyrod level. I would even say that Big Ben has fallen out of that top 4 tier leaving an old Brady, Injured Rodgers, and old Brees.

You keep talking about Goff. You realize he has a worse completion %, more ints, and 2 more tds so far this season? This is with a great offensive mind for a hc, much better weapons, and the easiest schedule in the league to date. 5 of his 8 games he has completed less than 60% of his passes. You sure this is the guy you want to trumpet as a top tier qb? Since Rush won't give me his list, here are qbs Tyrod is playing better than this season: Derek Carr (yeah I said it), Big Ben (yeah I said it again - look it up same tds, 7 more ints, worse completion %, worse qb rating), Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, Marcus Mariota, Carson Palmer, Cam Newton, and Joe Flacco. That is just guys that people trumpet as "franchise guys." If you want to argue those guys please use actual information instead of your eye test.

So every loss in this league is on the qb? If that is so then w/l would be a qb stat which we can agree it isn't. If it is then Drew Brees is a worse qb than Tyrod as his record is worse since Tyrod became a starter. Don't we also praise coaches for adjusting their schemes to what their players do well? Somehow a coach doing that for Tyrod is a bad thing? I think what is worse would be a coach coming in and trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. You avoided it multiple times but who is your list of good enough? Who are your franchise worthy qbs in this league right now?

Before I type my response I want to say that I don't mind competition for Tyrod in the form of a high pick but think that rookie should have to beat out Tyrod for the spot. Listening to people drone on for Peterman and I can't even imagine what it would be like listening to the cries for the high pick ready or not. That said: 1. Why isn't Tyrod good enough for a playoff run? Just last year Tannehil and Matt Moore took a team to the playoffs. Certainly you know TT is better than them. Andy Dalton has taken teams to the playoffs multiple years. Tyrod is better than him. It's a team game. Until there is a team stop using team success against TT. What was your expectation through 8 games this year? I won't go through your posting history but I'll bet it wasn't 5-3. Judge Tyrod on how Tyrod plays not whether or not the team wins. 2. If a rookie qb came in and put up 47 tds to 12 ints we should all be pumped. However that is what Tyrod did and he still doesn't measure up. A young qb the first game he struggles (which is inevitable) will be massacred by fans as a bust. How many years does your rookie get? 1? 2? 3? Tyrod is in his 3rd year starting and improved each year. I will bet though you made up your mind year 1 and haven't budged. 3. Dennison gonna develop the qb? I put 2 losses directly at his feet. The Jets and Panthers game plans were atrocious. Worse yet was the lack of adjustments. This is the guy who is going to develop the young guy? Upthread I asked for guys people would designate as a "franchise guy" I'd be interested to see your list. I think you would be surprised at how few "franchise guys" there are in the league but please do list them out.

Can I get your list of Franchise guys? I ask simply because I bet you would be surprised how many "franchise guys" he is playing better than. So no trickery on my part, I'm upfront with my intentions. Please list your guys that can get it done/ Same question to you. Who is good enough to win a super bowl with and what qualifying factors put them in that group and leave Taylor out? Bills fans are going to be the last fans on the Tyrod bandwagon. Too many years of being jaded to realize that we are actually getting pretty good qb play. In the mess that was Thursday, Tyrod was a bright spot. He looked bad against Cincy and Carolina no argument although Carolina was gameplan more than performance imo. Cincy was a poorly played game by him and I think Marvin Lewis might have his number as he stunk against Cincy last year too. I can only come up with a couple of guys (Brady, Wentz, Brees, I'm sure there are a couple more) that haven't had a stinker yet this year. Seeing Eli trumped in this thread really drives home the fact people aren't paying attention to the rest of the league.

I've been saying this for a while now thanks op for putting it together in one place. Their production is very similar. The difference is the team around them. The defense and legion of boom was much more important to their team success that Russel was. Even still Wilson will put up stinkers. I'm on mobile but I believe the Seahawks scored 12 or less points 5 times in 2016. Tyrod meanwhile has a consecutive game streak at home that leads the NFL of scoring 20 or more 1e straight times. Another stat I bring up regularly is Wilson passing for 103 yards in a playoff win during their super bowl win. Be honest majbobby would you give TT credit for that win? How about the super bowl that was dominated by the defense?

Korn - Predicatable was always in my playlist when I played sports. That "GO!" 15 or so second in always got me pumped.

okay buddy So again I ask to others since jmc is boring me... I would be interested to see people's list of who they have playing better than TT in 2017. Not career, not pedigree, just there play this year. I'd be interested to see some lists. You can have conversation about him. GunnerBill comes to mind as someone who has valid criticisms of TT and lays them out. xRushx also comes to mind as someone who is slowly coming around. Your take is also fair even if I disagree with it. When someone says he is a backup rb at best, or isn't even a decent backup, I wonder what there motivation for that kind of hatred is. Could be racism, could be stupidity. Have a take, back it up with your reasons, use facts for your reasons, and nobody will say you're a racist. Use hyperbole, be ignorant, use emotion, I'm gonna wonder what your motives are.

The blackjack analogy in the article was fantastic. Yours fell flat because it was a bad analogy plain and simple.