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Thank you for all of this including the relevant sources. I am a drive by poster every where on this board lol. I have been a member for almost 10 years and am here everyday but I lurk. I like to get ideas on both sides but don't care for the arguing that discussion generally leads to so again I thank you for your detailed answer and for doing it neutrally. There is a ton to chew on here so again thank you. I enjoy challenging my beliefs and growing my knowledge. It has become very difficult to get any information that hasn't been spun or is clearly slanted. 5.7 billion is a lot of money for a tool that might have a benefit. I would prefer government expenditures to have a concrete benefit. I don't see the wall as an answer but understand better how others do. Hasn't Trump also drawn a line in the sand though? He wants a wall and the gov't won't open until he gets it. Last I saw the Dems had offered 1.3 billion for the wall and he countered with 2.1 billion.

I appreciate the answer I was sure I was just going to be shouted down lol. Sorry to respond the way I did but I'm not great with the quote boxes so I had to put my answers in a different color. I used red because no other color showed well not because I'm angry lol.

Wow this is an incredible spin on the current events. It would be admirable if even part of this was true. Couple of questions though: 1. If our border is one of the "global hubs of human trafficking" doesn't that mean that the issue is America? If we are the hub that means there is demand here for this. Shouldn't we work on stopping that? Perhaps finding the individuals who do this? Or why they feel so safe operating in America? 2. When it comes to gun control I keep hearing that making guns illegal won't do anything because criminals will still get their hands on guns (I agree with this thought process). Why then, would building a wall do anything? Won't the criminals still find a way around it? 3. A wall really? I have to imagine if, as you say, this is all being done purely to stop human trafficking, that they are using many means of transport. Container ships, airplanes, etc... all won't be affected by a wall. It is 2019 what the hell is a wall going to do? You can dig under a wall, climb over a wall, or go to where the wall stops. Unless we are going to put a wall around the entire border it makes no sense (even that idea wouldn't work). On a side note, doesn't this strike anyone as a temper tantrum? Not getting his way so he shuts down the government. I don't care to call Trump names, I get people who think the office should be respected regardless of who is in there, I don't pretend to have all the answers but your spin above strikes me. Is there anything he has done that you disagree with? People here like to pretend that PPP is all about the truth and you guys are smarter than every one else but reading through these threads it appears that anything left/progressive/dem is wrong and anything right/conservative/republican is right. I would think that you guys would not blindly follow everything repub but I haven't found something yet that you as an echo chamber (yes that is what is happening here) disagree with. I would love to have my mind changed on that so if there are examples that I missed I'm all ears.

Bryan Stork was tipping snaps though as well. Scar is a great o-line coach but he missed the 2 years Stork was in the NFL. How about the action of McDaniels hiring him on to be his o-line coach?

I have already accepted that the Patriots will win the super bowl and you should too... Andy Reid has a long history of coming up short when it matters most while Brady and Belichick have a long history of doing exactly the opposite. The Saints have a good defense and a team that will excel in the dome but they are always good for a stinker at the most random times. The Rams have a bunch of head cases and struggled greatly down the stretch. Whichever NFC team they face (yes KC is a formality) BB will have 2 weeks to dissect film on. I actually think talent wise the Patriots are the 4th best team. However they find ways to win and I won't bet against them. They even get some motivation by being an under dog for the first time in 69 games. Extra fuel for the fire. Brady is the best ever. There I said it... can the pain and suffering end now please?

I somehow missed this does anyone have a link?

Yeah 18 year old me had no problem with it. I didn't actually realize it until I had a "hard time" when I got home lol. I have a friend that works at the base so I said I would go again if it was there because I wouldn't have to stay there. Watkins Glen isn't too far away from me so I could actually do day trips but I've got a kid on the way late June/early July and I don't think my wife would be to keen on the idea. Last time around I needed to get my parents to say yes. Now I need to get permission from my wife. The more things change the more they stay the same!

We got up there Thursday night and I got home Monday morning around 6 am. I didn't poop the entire time lol. Then again with the food and drink prices I didn't spend my money on that and spent it elsewhere... It was a fun weekend and have some really good memories but I'm almost 40 and can't spend the entire weekend partying anymore. My body and more importantly my brain won't allow that to happen anymore lol.

The bills weren't even the worst team ppg wise in the league. They ended ahead of jax and Arizona.

Even easier people missed the line or think they heard the line. What is more likely? False memories implanted in minds (for what gain especially movie quotes) or people remembered wrong? Experiencing a different reality (philosophically we all experience our own reality but a different discussion for a different day) or remembering 5 seconds of our life from 10 years ago wrong? The brain is incredibly interesting so I won't say I am 100% right here and you are wrong I'm just at peace with the fact that I will never know if we are living in a multi-verse so I don't explore it as a possibility.

One of life's great mysteries for sure but as I posited earlier, even if it is happening but we can't tell that it is happening, does it matter? Kind of like "if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?" I always struggled with these because I always defaulted to "does it matter?" Knowing how faulty every single person's memory is, and knowing that there are 7 billion plus people, tells me that a few thousand people remembering something one way is a statistically very small number. It leads me to believe that confabulation or straight mis-remembering (thanks Roger Clemens) is what causes the supposed mandela effect and that people's brains being similar make similar connections. It blew my young mind when a teacher told me even if you were 1 in a million that means there are 330 people like you in America. "Thousands of people" even tens of thousands is still a statistically small amount of our population. It isn't hard to imagine 10% of people getting something wrong imo.

The Agent Smith line? No I don't remember that The Morpheus one? Eh something like that but I haven't watched the movie in so long I wouldn't pretend to have it memorized. I don't remember the movie verbatim. I don't really give the Mandela effect much credence. What I do find fascinating is that people think it is more likely that there are multiple realities than it is that they simply remember incorrectly. That is the real mind boggling thing here.

Okay I don't tell this story often but... I watched the matrix a lot in college. Like a lot a lot. I had a VCR and would put that tape on to fall asleep. At one point I thought hmmm what if the matrix is real and this is the way of them communicating it. What is more likely? The matrix is real or I got way too high that night? Earlier you even listed out possible reasons, get to #5 (the actual real reason) and immediately discount it. Why do thousands of people remember it that way? Confabulation for many and dismembering for others. Remember the old Carlin joke. Think of how stupid the average person is then realize that half the population is dumber than that.

I agree that CNN is dumb and has made a mockery of themselves but they are not alone imo and that is all I was speaking on. Trump isn't the devil. I'm aware of that. To me his actions are embarrassing from a sitting president but he has done a lot of things that have benefited the people that he represents and that voted him in. He has made the rich richer and I would imagine they are pleased with the job he has done. After the 2016 election I became extremely jaded towards news outlets for exactly the reasons you state. Either the news slants the information or straight omits it. I'm just saying that there are networks on both sides that do this. When the next dem goes into office I would expect your percentages to flip. Fox News will go all negative all the time and CNN will do the 55/45. It is frustrating as it is hard to stay in the know. It is why I venture here a lot. I lean left but I like to see the other sides ideas. I come here to see the discussion from the other side because I can't support networks that are biased. To me that is CNN and Fox News. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Biased and agenda driven.

Woof the ignorance is astounding. boyst what pothead hurt you? Pot isn't the devil and people that use it aren't either. Many many many people in human services use weed as a nice way to relax after a long day of helping people. Lots of veterans are using it for a multitude of reasons. There are many functional, respectable, caring people that use marijuana. I'm sure you love when people generalize gun owners right? I wonder what the world would be like if gun owners cared as much about keeping guns away from the wrong people as they do about keeping their own guns. See how this works? No the single biggest argument against legalization is the fact that it is illegal. That's it. The government says its bad so it must be bad. That is the argument that gets trotted out whenever I have this discussion and it is asinine. You know as well as I do that the gov't has no idea what is best and makes many dumb decisions regularly. Sure though, lets just say stoners are dopey and be done with it

So should there be one of these for Fox News or are they something besides propaganda for the right? No ***** CNN sucks. So does Fox News. The 2016 election exposed this to all of us. Almost every single major news outlet showed their bias. It was most noticeable after debates if you clicked around to see who had "won."

This team is just maddening. Relying on Howard to run the point with his questionable ball handling skills and poor shooting. No backup on the roster, hell we were yelling for Buddy to get some run as an alternative to Frank and Jalen. Jalen is playing better but he is clearly not a pg. Brissett playing hero ball and clearly auditioning for the league. He's playing well so I don't want to be too hard but dammit man hit some free throws. He and Hughes look to be the only guys on the team that try for the entire game and hustle. I liked Battle coming into this year but he just vanishes from the action for so long I forget he is on the floor until he takes one of those long 2s (worst shot in bball) Chukwu, Dolezaj both look to have regressed this year. Chukwu is SOFT and Dolezaj doesn't have that hustle that made him a fan favorite. Sidibe hustles but clearly is lacking skill. Crazy thing is I think they can get this turned around but I am not banking on it. They need to gel and do some serious self reflection. This wasn't a bad loss as UB has a good team but ODU was a bad loss. Back to back losses left a really bad taste in my mouth.

No, dude, that is the weed. Seriously lay off of it.

I know you are trolling but I will entertain it.... There's never been any off-field drama or issues. did you forget about spygate? deflategate? Aaron Hernandez? Rodney Harrison? I stand by my assertion that Brady and Belichick are everything that is wrong with football. I respect the hell out of what they have accomplished. That said they are the reason each and every rule has to be so complex it can't be understood by a layman. Rules should be applied following the spirit of the rule. What is the intention of having the rule and what are you trying to stop. The Pats work by the letter of the law. What is and isn't written. Think back to the Ravens playoff game a couple of years ago. Think of the Seahawks strategy of hold every play and make them call it. These are styles of play that while within the letter of the law, are outside of the spirit of it. So they aren't technically cheating but they are playing cheaply. They are both great and in the conversation of best to ever do it but my level of respect for their "style" is not as high as it would be if they just dominated and didn't have to skirt the rules to do so. That said I do actually agree with their cheat, win, deal with punishment strategy. They have multiple super bowls and that is all anyone cares about at the end of the day. I think if we were all honest with ourselves we would take the accusations of cheating and hatred that comes along with 5 Super Bowls and 15+ years of dominance. Even if they were won using questionable at best tactics.

The bolded is something that I feel strongly about. Once the organization isn't trying to win it seeps into everything. Turnarounds can't happen with the same crew that led the tank. The Browns needed to move on from their GM and HC, even the 76ers in basketball had to do the same thing and that is a sport where tanking works. The most important thing for 2018 is Josh Allen continuing to progress. Wins are better than loses draft pick be damned if the wins come from Josh playing better, more consistent, etc.

Soccer for a few years both rec and travel. Loved it but now i ref. Get paid, no parents, less politics, less responsibility, and i get paid.

That would be a dream. The nightmare would be John Harbaugh going to the Jets.

Yeah the chemistry is what i was thinking of. Similar to deonte Thompson and tyrod or fitz and stevie johnson. Gentry made some nice catches in the college highlight reels of Allen and the Bills are officially in a youth movement it seems to make sense to me.

Wanted to bump this up. With the release of Holmes and Benjamin I would love to see him signed off of the Bears practice squad. I know we have a few Wyoming fans here that could speak on him but when I watched Allen highlights from College a lot of the throws were to Gentry. He also played very well for them this preseason (16 catches for 144 and a td). How about it Beane?

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