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This was posted before the draft about 3 weeks ahead if iirc. The trade written down is confirmed to be the trade that was in place with denver after the draft. I won't die on a hill saying this is for sure true but there is a lot of smoke there.

Yeah I missed it originally but someone mentioned it in passing previously and I remembered finding it on Reddit. Googled Reddit Bills QB Draft Board Leak and found it. The proposed trade with Denver was confirmed as the deal that was in place if Chubb didn't fall which lends even more credence to the rumor. Given how the draft played out (confirmation bias I know) I think even more that it was true. I am shocked this wasn't a bigger story pre-draft as it could have wrecked their plans!

I posted it at one point in time I'll try to dig it up... Hope this works:

Yeah give me 100% all by itself. I'd still pick it. I'm not putting 5k down but I will be betting Bills money line more money than I want my wife to know about (although even a dollar is more than she likes lol)

27-20 Buffalo

Why are you so quick to say the Ravens have more talent? The Bills defense is 3rd in yards Ravens are 9th Pass Defense Bills are 3rd Ravens are 13th Run Defense Ravens are 6th Bills are 14th Bills are 3rd in ppg and Ravens are 5th Bills have a higher ranked passing offense in ypg Ravens lead in points per game and rushing yards per game for offense and rushing yards per game for the defense. So of the 8 major statistics (total ypg, pass ypg, run ypg, ppg for both offense and defense) the Ravens are better in 4 and the Bills are better in 4. Ravens are the media darling right now and deservedly so. Buffalo is going to smack them in the mouth and take that mantle. 100% Did I say that yet?

100 mother*****ing percent!!! The Bills are going to take another step towards the national spotlight! Ravens played a tough niners game that they eked out a win on a last second field goal. They won't be as up for this game as Buffalo will! Bills had a longer rest period and are at home! The Cap will be electric after Thanksgiving! Nobody Circles the Wagons!!!

“I felt like our first year, you try to get away from the ‘here we go again’ moments in the game when you’re trying to build a foundation,” McDermott said. “And at some point, once you establish that, it’s, ‘O.K., we can win close games and come back from some of those moments.’” Best part of the article (I know nobody actually reads them but they should...) This is what some Bills fans are still working through this year. The Bills have done a lot of things this year: Beat Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins (Super Bowl revenge tour) Beat the Titans on an illegal forward pass call Won a nationally televised game These aren't the same old Bills. I think that is what made the Cowboys game so big. In the past they would get embarrassed on that stage. Cowboys on the road, on Thanksgiving, after the league had to apologize for poor calls against the Patriots, Jerry Jones chirping, short week, #1 offense, #6 defense. You could feel the broadcast was set up for an easy Cowboys win over the over rated Buffalo Bills. So many shots of smug Jerry Jones, Tony Romo talking them up, Emmit visiting in the booth. Then something happened. The Bills won but they didn't just win, they dominated. No comeback, no sweating out the final possession, and a shot of Jerry Jones with head buried in his hands. These aren't the Bills we watched bumble through season after season. They aren't an automatic w on the schedule. They are a team that the good teams don't want to face. Shed the BBFS. Let's go Buffalo!!!

Im not doing the math myself just using the numbers you gave. Does that mean 32 super bowls have been won by guys outside of the top 20 for 300 yard games?

He obstructs the receiver without making a play on the ball. That's pi imo. I don't want to argue minutia though on such a great day so I will bow out here. Go Bills!

Agreed you could hear the disappointment. He did catch himself a few times but it almost made it more noticeable to me. Still best in the business but today, in a dominating win, i expected better from him.

I disagree with the rest of your post but this part the most strongly. Defender never turned his head around and impeded Knox's attempt at a catch. Clear pi by rule.

Since we played miami twice them winning would increase our strength of victory by more wouldnt it? Or does it still only count once?

I am with you on all of this. As you state none of it can happen without them losing to Houston first so that is what I am rooting for. I don't think they will but I will be rooting for it! Only one I disagree with is Browns over Steelers. Browns are hot right now records be damned. The Steelers and their third string qb are more likely to fall apart imo.

For the red: I'm rooting for Pittsburgh. Cleveland is hot right now and to me the better team. A loss pretty much ends them so that is what I am rooting for. I'm rooting for Tennessee. We own the tie breaker over them. I'm rooting for Baltimore. I would like to see them keep pace with the Patriots this week so when they lose to the Bills it doesn't end their hopes for a bye. I disagree with a couple of your bolded. I'm rooting for Houston. The division is in play if the Patriots drop this game and the Bills can beat them in foxboro. Plus I will never root for the Patriots unless it has some huge benefit for the Bills. This game doesn't meet this criteria. I'm rooting for Tampa Bay. End Jacksonville's season. For the non bolded: I'm rooting for Miami. Ruin the tank and help our strength of victory I'm rooting for Washington. Help the strength of victory I'm rooting for Giants. I bet you can guess why lol. All this said just win baby!!! Still rooting for the division. Beat Dallas when they are reeling, beat the Ravens after having extra prep time, beat the Steelers and Duck Dodge, end the dynasty, beat the running for the buses Jets! Let's Go Buffalo!!!

You know I probably should just let them slide but are we really complaining about the 3rd ranked defense? 3rd in ppg, 3rd in ypg, 3rd in passing yards per game, and gasp 14th in rushing yards per game. They are top 5 in 3 categories and top half of the league in the other category. With 90 million in cap space there is no need to move on from Star or Trent. There is money to spend on Shaq and Jordan Phillips and others who need to be re-signed. There is still money to add players as well. No reason to cut players and create holes in a very good defense.

It looks like I am in the minority but I love the red on red color rush!

Perhaps but I have brought up missteps before and told they were no big deal. I hate to beat this drum but the go back to where you came from tweet got way more defense here than I expected. To the blatant hit jobs I think that is the cost of being president. Especially with the 24 hour news cycles and social media now it is easier than ever to spark (faux) outrage. The right did it to Clinton, then the left did it to GW, then the right did it to Obama, and now the left does it to Trump. I did some research on this previously and the research showed that Trump gets the most negative coverage. I think that has to do with him being a celebrity beforehand and someone who made enemies prior to becoming POTUS. Trump had a lot of negative press prior to becoming president and many people already had an opinion on him. Prior to their presidential runs very few people knew who Obama or Clinton were. GW was only known for being the owner of the Rangers and the son of Bush I. You and me both. Seriously the coronation of Clinton was something I was very happy not to see. The DNC showed how corrupt they were and it still wasn't enough. Media on both sides showed their true colors more than ever before. To be a fly on the wall when she realized she hadn't won...

I really appreciate you taking the time to write all of that out. I'm with you all the way up to thinking that Trump won this election is spite of all of this going on and played fairly. I buy everything except the idea that he and the Repubs would operate above board if as you say it has gone back to at least GW. I'm not saying the impeachment is necessary or warranted but at what time does the lid get blown off of this so it no longer happens? That's what I was trying to get at. I don't want to excuse Obama's actions anymore than I want Obama's actions used to excuse Trump's actions (if he did the same). I have no problem with him being investigated. If he did no wrong I will be relieved. I fear I am rambling at this point so I apologize for not being as well written as you but hopefully I got my point across lol.

Obama at this point doesn't really matter. He won't be holding any office in the future. I am not saying it doesn't matter what he did as I stated earlier neither of them should have done it. I'm saying it is a moot point now. Or better put it doesn't make it better for Trump that Obama did it. I'm really (probably naively) hoping that it isn't the cost of running for President now.

I'm trying to figure out if we are on the same page here. Obama shouldn't have done it and neither should Trump. Are we all in agreement here? Or is it that since Obama did it it is okay that Trump is doing it? Isn't this a textbook definition of whataboutism?

I'm not your target here as I don't hate Trump. I'm not a fan of the way he represents the country but hate is not at all a word I would use for my feelings. I will take a crack as I think the answer is very simple. It lines up with their beliefs. Same reason everyone here is quick to believe Trump and everything the right pumps out. Trump is a proven liar and manipulator. However he gets the benefit of the doubt all the time on this board. People want to believe what fits their narrative. It is really that simple. Confirmation bias runs rampant on both sides. You think Trump was brought in as some outsider to bring down the cabal that really runs this country. I think Trump who was born rich and profits greatly from his position as the president is more of the same. In 5 years a Dem will get elected and this board will go crazy about how evil the new president is, and 8 years later a repub will go in and on and on and on and on. Before people ask for proven liar proof: https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ or if you prefer the ap: https://apnews.com/f3073b1291e94d3289c9404c5936db3e

I just re watched it and #71 (Matt Feilir) was within a couple of yards the entire time as well as an official. I would imagine those would be the 2 who were asked if they heard anything. Feiler could maybe protect a teammate but the official would have no reason to lie. Even thinking further into it, I would imagine if the official heard it, he would have immediately reported it to the league office. I have to imagine these guys are required to fill out an after game report especially when an ejection happens.

Cowboys in a knock down drag out game that goes to OT and is remembered as one of the most physical games ever played. That way the Boys can be exhausted on Thursday!!!

Omar Kelly = Mannish Mehta = Mike Rodak They troll their own fans as much or more so than anything else. The new ESPN reporter is such a breath of fresh air. Marcel Louis Jacques actually has me going to ESPN for Bills news instead of avoiding it.