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Again I will beat my own dead horse. It has everything to do with the individual player. The Bills have proven they are not beholden to any one strategy when it comes to dealing with players with behavioral problems. They drafted both Duke Williams and Kiko Alonso who had issues in college and then made the team. Duke Williams did not contribute to the team this year but was kept around all year long. As for the win now vs. win tomorrow that is a delicate balance for every team the Bills included. Some players are kept because they can help you win now and some are kept on potential. Each individual player is weighed on this scale. Is it worth the time and investment on said player? Again this has to deal with Da'Rick himself in this thread as several posters are up in arms that Chris Hogan was kept over Da'Rick. I grasp it just fine but you are lying to yourself if you think this thread doesn't have to do with Da'Rick himself. I have kept up with this topic and am fairly neutral on it. We won't know whether this was a good cut or not for quite some time. Add in the fact that none of us truly know the circumstances that led to his being cut and we may never know. If he doesn't have that "game changing catch" last week does this thread get ressurected? You yourself have railed against Hogan vs. Rogers repeatedly in this thread. Why? You think long term that HE will contribute more to the team. In post 573 of this thread you stated that you were done with this topic. Then in 576 you bumped this topic over his one catch. That was page 29!!! My original post today was completely tongue in cheek about the overreaction to his one catch and how it was proof that the Bills had screwed the pooch. What followed was 27 pages in one week!!! That is not a "simple conversation on philosophy." I will leave you with this (no that doesn;t mean I'm done with this topic)... You can not separate this conversation from the player. As I have said repeatedly each player brings his own talents, baggage, work ethic, and potential. There is no cookie cutter philosophy to who gets kept and who doesn't. Each player has his own circumstances.

Yes it has been some of the better posters beating the same dead horse all week long. It's impossible to separate the player from the conversation though. There are some knuckleheads that end up getting it and turning it around. There are others that don't. Question marks vary player to player as does the results. You can't say that this has nothing to do with the player.

Well since we got a weeks overreaction of how amazing this guy is going to be because of his huge game changing (1) catch last week, can we get this week to be overreaction about how terrible he is and how justified the Bills were in cutting him?

To be honest I think that the pats* would have won this game without any help. What disgusts me is the fact that it always seems to break their way. All of the calls I pointed out were fairly blatant. With 7 officials in each game there really is no excuse for all of them going uncalled. Especially since they all broke in one teams favor.

Right on cue no tripping call...

I hate that rule and don't mind that no flag was thrown there as he was airborne. That said 3 calls/no calls in that quarter alone leading to 8 points for the pats* and ending a drive for the Colts. C'mon Colts overcome the zebras!

And no pi there...

Blatant hold on that 3rd down... And then a bs penalty on that one... Just marching them to the endzone...

Decker was fantastic in college as well. I would love to see him in a Bills uni but don't really see any way of it happening. At 6'3" he would certainly be the big target the Bills are looking for.

I won't say that he will get killed but no Sec defenses aren't as big and fast as NFL defenses. College ball is filled with 18-22 year olds and many players that will never sniff an Nfl roster let alone start on d. The NFL is filled with fully grown men. There is a reason you can't jump to the pros in less 3 years. These "kids" haven't fully developed yet. The flip side of that argument is that maybe manziel will also grow. His frame though unlike Wilson's is smaller and thinner. I won't say that he will get killed but no Sec defenses aren't as big and fast as NFL defenses. College ball is filled with 18-22 year olds and many players that will never sniff an Nfl roster let alone start on d. The NFL is filled with fully grown men. There is a reason you can't jump to the pros in less 3 years. These "kids" haven't fully developed yet. The flip side of that argument is that maybe manziel will also grow. His frame though unlike Wilson's is smaller and thinner.

Nah I sold mine. My season ticket cost $485 and I sold duke and unc. I'm now in only $295 for the rest of the games. It was too good of a deal to pass up. That said ill never buy seasons again. Early season games are rapid fire and against weak competition. I also saw tickets for the Indiana game going for $5 right at tip off. I think I'm going to try it for Duke and if I can't get them just drive home and watch in on dvr. The Sarah vs seera debate has me split. I've heard it both ways and dot even know that I say one over the other. Certainly not something I've heard people ever talk about and not nearly the lightning rod that pop vs soda is!

Stands are all sorts of empty in the upper corners. Kind of surprising for what is traditionally a tough place for teams to play. I thought I was blacked out too but it is on nbc of all channels. I wonder why you keep getting blacked out there. Pitt has to be the closest acc school to you and even still I don't get why that would black you out.

I have a feeling Reese and fusco will show up in the nick of time on this one. Can't wait for this show what a cliffhanger at the end of the last one!

Yeah I'm not saying he failed drug tests or was as bad as Lynch just that there heads weren't quite right and in it while here. It is just my own speculation but it is the conclusion I ended up at. There is a whole spectrum of not quite getting it from Titus young to just laziness and apathy during practice, meetings, etc... That could lead to someone getting cut. I proposed this in the other thread. Pure conjecture but so is everything here.

I didn't say they were the same. However at a position that is dependent on so many other factors besides just talent I'm saying there is no guarantee that t.y. Does what he has done with Fitzpatrick, Manuel, Lewis, and tuel throwing him the ball as opposed to Luck, indoors, in that offense. You didn't answer my question though. Either of them. What is the point? More bitching and complaining? Obviously the Bills have had more hits than misses or they wouldn't have missed the playoffs for 14 straight years. T.y. More than likely would have been the better pick but again every team misses in every draft. Especially when deciding between the 12th and 13th player at a position in a draft. Again I will point out in thy same draft the niners blew a first round pick on a guy they have up on before the start of the very next season at t.y. Hilton's position. It happens. Other than Rogers there has been accountability none of the people that made the decision are still here. If Hilliard was the one that made the call on Rogers then maybe there was accountability there too. I have no idea so I won't argue that but there is a new gm, hc, oc, and director of scouting since that selection. They all lost their jobs. That's not accountability?

I was surprised when I got home from the game today to watch Duke lose to notre dame. I agree completely though one of these teams won't go ice cold after jumping on them early. Hopefully one of these games serves as a wake up call but having coached in the past myself teams are who they are and it would surprise me if they changed. I'm just glad they finish strong! He started out aggressive and I thought he was trying to make up for last game and then he just kind of stopped. His drive towards the end when the lane opened up was huge though. Agree about the guards and Cj. This team just needs 2 of the 3 to have a good game in order to stay competitive. Today they didn't get that but still pulled it out. I'm more discouraged then encouraged but hey it's still a w!

Heartbreak for those Eagles fans. I've been sitting on the tunnel at the Ralph when a team kicked a game winner right at me. Sucks te air right out of you. In a playoff game?! Oof. Isn't it a lock that the Saints are the representative for the NFC to follow the trend of the Bills losing to them?

This is where I fall but for a different reason. It is Marshawn all over again. A talented guy that didn't get "it" in Buffalo. Once cut (or traded) it served as a bit of a wake up call. marshawn has admitted as much and I wouldn't be surprised if being cut by the lowly Bills did the same thing for Rogers.

He linked it in this thread!

What is the point? He was the 13th wr off the board. Good for him good for the Colts. Every draft pick is a lottery pick some work out and some don't. Here is a question along the topic... Does every player that succeeds or fails do so on their own or does team, scheme, and surrounding talent also contribute? There is no guarantee that t.y. wouldn't perform at the level of t.j. If he was drafted by the Bills.

Good for them they hit on their picks. They have also missed on many as has every team in every round.

Every year every team misses on draft picks. How many other teams picked a receiver before him? 12!!! Including the niners picking one in the first round that they already have up on. You know the same niners that have played in the NFC championship game 2 years in a row.

21 extra Tds to 1 int is only a little better?

Exactly what I meant. They were also blown out by te rams and cardinals. They are too hard to predict.

The Colts have been very Jekyll and Hyde this year. Never can bet on them. They also benefitted from playing in the worst division in football this year while the Chiefs played in maybe the best (NFC west can also lay claim).