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I dooubt either of them will get a team. LA has many hurdles and I honestly think that their not being a team in the NFL is more beneficial to the league than having one there. The threat constantly looms over fans heads and can be used to leverage ridiculous stadium deals. When a team moves there the threat is gone.

There will be many more Maybin's and Hardy's. Many athletes that teams fall in love with because of their height or speed or colossal numbers against poor competition. Player's in the draft are always compared to previous players by many people including analysts and scouts. That doesn't mean the comparison has to be a glowing one.

I know that you feel this way but what about the Toronto games makes them more viable? Why does any investor need Toronto to be successful so far as to put a game there. I won't argue having brand identity in Toronto doesn't help but I will argue that putting a game there that is the way to accomplish that. The games don't sell out, the players don't like it, and there has been no hard data presented that it has been any part of the uptick in Ontario season ticket holders that Brandon claims to be the case. I am always open and willing to mold and shape my opinions so why does it have to be the sale of a game to make this thing work? Why can't it be any of the things I laid out in my previous post to increase brand awareness/identity?

A ton of transplants in NC from NYS. I had a couple of friends at the game last night. As for Cooney he is a shooter and in a slump. The only way to get out of that slump is to keep shooting. He was stellar in the BC game but other than that hasn't done much. As long as they keep winning he has time to figure it out. Hopefully on Saturday. "Silent G" does indeed need to get more aggressive and hopefully facing his former team will do that for him. He seems like he is good but doesn't trust himself to be. I was really concerned about last night. I was scared that the team would look past Wake and then I became concerned that the refs were going to give it to Wake. I love that this team knows how to finish! 4 minutes to go as long as it is close I have complete faith that they will turn it into a 10 point win as they have done so many times. Has there been any news on Ennis' ankle?

Clean up on aisle knee!

I'm going to stick with my theory laid out in the other thread. This series won't end just yet. They will make it an earlier season game so the weather advantage is not given away. As for the Bills needing this series I also stand by my assertion that it is complete hogwash. They don't need to sell off a game to remain economically viable. Sure there could be a push to bring more attention or fans from the Toronto markets but that doesn't mean selling off a game. Their could be bus trips, more advertising, discounted tickets, appearances by players, etc... Selling off a game is a cash grab. It can be sold as a "help to regionalize the team" and some people buy it. As it stands under their current owner the team is in absolutely no financial trouble. I have yet to see a convincing study that says this series has been a success other than lining the teams pockets. Sure Brandon said there has been an uptick in Ontario season tickets but what proof does he have that the series is the cause and not just the increased popularity of the NFL in general. I won't get into "they would have won if it was in Buffalo" but I will say that the fans routinely cheered louder for Atlanta than Buffalo. That does not convince me that the BiT is a success.

Boy if those 6 picks players are available at our spot in round 1 I would be praying for a trade down. A scenario that would net us anyone of those guys followed by Benjamin and ASJ in the second would be fantastic!

I swear to at the 1:20 mark of this video I thought to myself holy Maybin 2.0! KD in CT hit the nail on the head. The start of that video was entirely comprised of long swooping around the tackle moves. Most of them he didn't even hit the qb or was later than the ball leaving. The 2 sacks he did have were a fumble the qb picked up and a looping come from behind why does the qb still have the ball sack. Not a fan. This was as bad as the Mike Evans highlight tape where he dropped a few passes at the start of it. I now have 2 prospects talked about at the top half of the first round that I want the Bills to take no part in.

He has proven to be the worst thing an nfl player let alone offensive lineman can be, mentally weak.

I'm thinking that they will move the game to earlier in the season. If that is done the loss of "weather advantage" will be much less. It seems that they will give the bills their late season home games to remove the complaint of losing the cold/wind/not a freaking some against a dome team. I would prefer they scrap it altogether but doubt we will be so lucky.

I too have that memory... and here is the link to support it

Well I'm good, are you good? Cut to commercial... wow

I agree. Also other than Weaver I won't miss any of those names. I was hoping the Bills could keep Henderson and Weaver after all was said and done. Guess I'll have to settle for 1 out of 2. I like Marrone's comment of wanting guys who want to be here. I wonder if it was a small shot at Pettine though as he used the team as a stepping stone. Maybe maybe not. Wanting guys who want to be here fits with his wanting to smell football on their breath comments.

The hate is strong with this one. I don't want this at all. I'm not sure why anyone would take joy in others paying thousands of dollars to have to sit in freezing rain. Or what King Roger looking like a fool would accomplish at all. I'm sure it will be cold but hope that the weather isn't THE determining factor to the game. Add something to it, sure, last game of the year before I don't get to watch for 7 months, no.

I didn't mean to imply there would be a blizzard or anything. More along the lines of IMO cold temps favor running and defense over a high flying passing attack.

This might not be the thread for it but.... Russel Wilson has really been playing poorly for the last 6 games. He is being carried by that running game and defense. In his last 6 games he is averaging 167 yards passing with 5td to 3 ints. I know many here do a lot of hand wringing over how well he is playing and that the Bills missed out on him but he is the definition of a game manager at this point. This isn't a Russell sucks or the Bills shouldn't have passed on him post but the hyperbole surrounding this guy from this board is out of control. He went over 300 yards passing twice this year while going under 200 yards 7 times. I didn't even include him passing for 206,210, and 202 yards either. For the season he is averaging 204.16 ypg! The weather will certainly be a factor but unless he steps his game up this will be a tough one for Seattle to win. The Broncos shut down what had been a stellar run game last game out and forced the pats* to throw to beat them and they couldn't pull it off. I'm thinking the Broncos pull this one out (unless Russell plays a GREAT game).

The quotes you're sharing are completely driving your narrative though. Were there no positive quotes about him? Were there no fans giving him credit for the defense?

Miami was incredibly hot today. They just couldn't miss! However the play they ran to death with the high screen catch back door cut for a layup was very concerning. Hopefully other teams don't exploit it before it gets fixed. Cj fair looks very tired to me. He needs to get more rest during these games. I was happy to see Roberson go in and then poof he was gone! I agree about how promising rak has looked. It was another good outing for him. Ennis continues to be phenomenal and grant too. It sucks that they probably are gone next year. Hopefully they can make this year count!

If ej did give it to him it certainly appears thr it would fit under your description. However what proof do we have that is the case? Maybe he is sporting it bc he grew up a fan or became a fan when ej went there. I'm sure in buffalo it is different but there is certainly a perception of old school bills coat, shopping at wal mart (perhaps with your wife who is wearing pajama pants) white trash among many I know near syracuse. It obviously isn't the rule as I wear Bills clothing year round and don't consider myself white trash lol. I do have some friends that will bust my balls about it though.

I don't know about Jameis but Watkins definitely said that.

Eh p$&s in my Koolaid was never my favorite flavor... Think about how great that food would taste after a big w! Edit: my apologies I thought the filter would have caught that!

Doesn't matter the reason just getting the Bills gear out there in a positive light is a great thing. The perception of Bills gear is white trash. Giving it some street cred (did I really just use that phrase? ) would be a welcome change!

Alright that is a huge stretch to me as the buddy buddy hire that many like to kill Brandon and Marrone for though. I have to ask though since you are not on board... What hire would you have been on board with? I laid out some of the concerns about the other candidates so I'm curious who and why would have been a better hire to you. I'm in the opposite camp I would love a thanksgiving day Bills game!

The question is what would the slam dunk move have been? Promote Donnie Henderson? Major question marks as a dc. Hire wade? Scheme switch as well as the supposed bad blood. Hire pepper Johnson? No experience as well as questions from his former organization about his qualifications to do the job. There are some in this thread that are down on this hire while banging the drum that Marrone should have been fired and pettine promoted. This to me was the best possible move that could have been made. Also you referenced this being a friend hire as one of your concerns. Is there a previous connection between Marrone and Schwartz?

That's a very good point. The Browns just hired a coordinator to be their hc (no experience at this position) and are geniuses. The bills hire the hc from a team to be their dc (proven success at this position) and are dooooomed.