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Well it isn't a complete list but after finishing in the top 5 for SEC receiving and not producing much (I'm only using 2007 - 2010 to give them a chance to develop or not) Jeff Fuller TJ Moe Shay Hodge Darvin Adams Greg Childs Chase Coffman Brandon Lafell DJ Hall Lucas Taylor Kenny McKinley So 10 out of 20 giving them a 50% success rate. It really isn't a great indicator when someone lights up the SEC at the WR position whether or not they will be successful at the next level. This was going to be next point above but I will put it down here. It appeared to be a down year for defense in the SEC this year. Spread offenses have jumped ahead of defenses. Alabama was the only team in the conference that didn't give up 20+ points/game this last year. Meanwhile every team except Florida(!) averaged at least 20 points/game.

Yeah that makes some sense. Hopefully we see the change that many of us have been asking(begging?) for years to happen. It will be a good day when these guys are no longer making decisions for the Bills. Marrone and Whaley seem like a team that can change the Bills course around and get it back on the right track (read winning) but if they are hamstrung they will become 2 more people that will believe and have evidence of - don't go to Buffalo, you can't win there.

It is so weird that we can read the same piece and come away with 2 completely different takes. To me this says that those people are right. Instead of just going with it as we have seen Jauron and Gailey do, they are directly questioning and challenging it. You even say as much in your first paragraph. I agree completely that these guys are the problem. Littman and Overdorf have been around for a looooonnng time and had success 20+ years ago in a non salary cap era. The only thing they have been successful at lately is lining Ralph's pockets. Marrone and Whaley are actually interested in winning and that does not coincide with the make as much money as possible ideology that has been par for the course for quite some time here.

Damn I was hoping to get some nice steaks or some jerky lol

So no wager?

Well making a comment with 7 minutes to go is much different than with 10 seconds... That said I will definitely make a wager with you that cuse doesn't drop 8 or 9 spots... What would you like to bet?

You are crazy if you think cuse will drop 8 or 9 spots IF they lose... Still plenty of time left in this one.

She looks way to much like a he for me. Add in the fact that she's an idiot and I'd have to say no.

My feelings on this are that players can't have their cake and eat it too. If you want to be the highest paid and the market bears it good for you. If you want to take a bit of a discount it will invariably help the team around you be stronger which would help in winning. It all boils down to what the player is looking for. Tom Brady has routinely taken less money than he is worth which has allowed the Pats* to put a stronger team around him. Peyton Manning has routinely taken huge deals which lead to him having a weaker supporting cast. I don't fault players for either approach but I think most fans ideally would prefer the stars on their teams want to win more than get paid. That is almost never the case but there are examples of it. Boy I have to agree with you twice in the same thread The networks cover player salaries completely. They don't cover expenses but that number varies from year to year for such things as perfomance bonuses etc... The Bills have no debt and have been very profitable for the last several years. Not surprising either is the fact that teams that are successful are much more profitable. Think about it, the Bills have zero national appeal, have no bandwagon support, and have been a non factor for over a decade which means that it is hard to generate new fans (read young people). All 3 of these things can be changed but putting the emphasis on winning. It would become chic to support small town Buffalo much like Green Bay, Bandwagon support is huge for profitability as they need to buy gear to show their support, and young fans become season ticket holders, raise their kids to be fans, etc..

Just sayin but 3 of those 6 seasons are 1000 yard years. Adding talent isn't a bad thing at the receiver position. Why would you weaken it beforehand though? What is a better receiving corps? One with a draftee and Stevie or one with just the draftee?

Or gloss over the fact that chandler also had a fumble in the Atlanta game. Or that the huge drop in the New England game was with 8 minutes to go and that New England killed the last minute and a half before winning the game. Do you really think that the Bills would have killed 8 minutes? Or that the drop in the Pittsburgh game was over 3 years ago! It was the difference between a 4 and 5 win season. Or that he didn't receive a single celebration penalty this year.

While he might not make it out of camp I think it has seriously been blown out of proportion how bad most here think he is. I think he pays a bit of a price in fans minds because Wilson was taken shortly after him more so than he is as bad as people want to make him out to be. Good? - no. The worst receiver in the league? - no.

I've avoided this thread as I don't even know how to put into words.... Stay strong and god bless you.

I really wanted to like and laugh at this but just couldn't. I didn't even feel bad for the kid just annoyed by his voice. When did I turn into a crotchety old man?

That is what I will be holding my breath for. Last year while watching the draft I celebrated when they traded down. Hopefully I can do the same again this year!

So every receiver needs to either be a #1 or cut? Show you any stat and it won't matter? Well then your mind is made up that you dislike Stevie no matter what. What would be the point in engaging you in a conversation about his talents? It bothers me tremendously that players have to deal with fans like this. What has he done to deserve this vitriol? Give me an error and or a scenario involving Stevie and I will give you a similar one with a player who I am sure you think is better. Go ahead any situation or scenario that Stevie gets dogged for. I have some time to kill...

It is so hard to make any projections before pro day and combine performances. I was pleasantly surprised to see some of the names there. That said I've seen Jackson in the 3rd multiple times throughout projections, Lewan would surprise me as a top 15 pick, Borland's size/abilities may hamper him a bit, etc... Still very early in the process and I had the ability to scroll down before making picks. Kind of why I went Benjamin over ASJ as I knew Niklas was there. Call me a cheater

Since it is such a deep draft I would prefer a scenario where the Bills traded down multiple times. Something like trading down to 17 which would net the Bills 17 and 48. Then trading down from 17 to 22 which would net us 22 and 86. From that position the Bills would have 22, 41, 48, 73, and 86. Using Drafttek rankings my draft would look something like this: 22: Taylor Lewan OT 41: Kelvin Benjamin WR 48: Troy Niklas TE 73: Gabe Jackson OG 86: Chris Borland LB Going strictly off of the rankings and picking players that were ranked at or lower than our selections (according to drafttek) I think that would be a heck of a draft. RT, G, Tall WR, TE, and LB all are upgraded and that is pretty much all of our current needs. The second round is a money round this year and I would like to have at least one extra crack at it.

Me too but wow is this second round just stocked this year! Really would love a trade down to get extra picks in this round. I like the options here almost more than in round 1. Van Noy, Skov, ASJ, Niklas, Cyril Richardson, Kelvin Benjamin, Jordan Matthews etc... all could be sitting there in the second round.

My take away from this: Ebron is in the Jimmy Graham mold of catching a lot, yac, except he has a concerning drop rate ASJ has terrible yac but catches everything thrown his way Amaro is almost a wr just in a big body. 87% of his snaps in the slot are really eye popping. It struck me as weird then that so many of his catches were 1-5 yards away from the los Niklas is a te in the traditional sense that he lines up inline the majority of the time. which then surprised me that he caught most of his passes 6-10 yards out and averaged 6.41 yac. Rogers lined up a ton in the slot but didn't have a single catch over 20 yards from the los? That is interesting to say the least and scary to me. Going purely off of these stats (I know stats are for losers) Niklas really looks like a great prospect for the Bills. He seems to be well rounded and can still do some damage receiving wise.

Yeah this draft really stacks up well for the bills. Depth seems to be at te ot and lb which all are need positions imo. I know it has been discussed moving kiko to the outside but I'm more a if it ain't broke don't fix it and wouldn't mind seeing him stay in the middle. What are the negatives on van not that are pushing him to the second round? I've seen that he doesn't have elite athleticism but makes up for it with great instincts. Is there anything else?

I think they need that. I will be LOUD during the game as the last few have been very lackluster from a fan perspective. I was very disappointed in the crowd noise (and Cuse as well of course) Saturday. It was dead in there!

That or the OT-Robinson OG Cyril Richardson TE-C.J. Fiedorowicz Are my favorite out of these. My bold prediction? Thad Lewis is our opening day starter.

Why not another prospect thread. How do people feel about him as a potential 2nd rounder? I happened to catch his bowl game in 2012 and he was an absolute animal. I don't get to see too much of him as BYU isn't regularly on but when I did I tried to key on him. I think he is a pretty complete lb and think he would make an excellent addition to the linebacking group. So what do people think?

Pickle juice is great for when I am sick. Between that and peperoncini juice I clear my sinuses as soon as they start acting up!