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I haven't seen one person in this thread make this claim. In fact many of us have alluded to the fact that the coaching is a big part for his success in this league.

The part that bothers me the most is this mid round flyer that everyone was so for doesn't state that they knew he would be great. These people are angry that there wasn't a stab in the dark for Wilson and that they are oh so knowledgeable. Yet there are so many mid round misses. In fact almost all of the mid round qb picks are misses. So yes great for any of you that liked Wilson before the draft. All I ask is that you are honest with yourself about how many QBs you liked in other years that didn't work out. Facts: In his last 4 regular season games last year he passed for less than 200 yds in all but 1 (206). This included a game where he threw for 108 yards. In his first playoff game against the saints last year he threw for 103 yards. His high yards in a game last playoffs where HE (lol) led the team to the Super Bowl was 215. All of last year he had 2 games where he threw for more than 300 yards. He had 3 games where his completion % was less that 50 He had 3 more games in the 50s for completion % He threw a pick in all but 5 games last season. See I can play this game too. You have to be blind watching these games to think it is WIlson winning these games and not their Defense and Running Game. I have plenty more stats too if you would like to continue... Yes he is one of the top YOUNG qbs in the game. He also has the benefit of not being asked to do too much. This is a plan that I hope the Bills are planning on following. His development is as much a credit to Wilson as it is to that team around him including the coaches. Why single out Buddy? Everyone did it. Also if you dig around Seattle took him a full round ahead of where they originally planned because they knew/thought that the Bills were going to take him in the 4th. I just put this in here to say good post! I think Wilson is over rated. I don't thikn he is bad by any stretch I just don't think he is an amazing talent capable of strapping a team on his back. Once he gets that big contract the Hawks will go the way of the Ravens ala Flacco. This is exactly where I fall. I think he would have failed in Buffalo. He would have been asked to do too much. He is the benefactor of short fields, tired defenses, phenomenal run game, and excellent coaching. Which of those would have applied to him here? If you check out there stats through their first 10 games I think most ppl would be shocked at how similar they are. Manuel threw for more yard (1972 to 1827) and was close in completion % (61.91 to 58.82) He was also close in td:int (15:8 to 11:9). Wilson did perform better from a W-L perspective but we all have to be smart enough to know you can't view QB performance (especially Wins and Losses) in a vacuum.

Yeah I posted it first

Yup and yup. Hope I'm not in any leagues with you!!! Newton may not play this week and is a game time decision. That removes Benjamin as an option this week imo (now watch him get 2 tds).

With Wright going into your WR spot for Welker. I like Thomas a lot. He was a player I targeted in my leagues especially PPR leagues. Sproles may or may not get play add to that he wasn't very good last year at all and I lean Pierre for your flex.

Does it have to actually go for positive yardage? If my incomplete pass doesn't play I will go with run by Freddie for 4 yards.

At least she died doing what she loved! I never paid her much mind until she did an appearance on Louie. She was hysterical! I won't link it here as it is more than slightly innapropriate but if your a fan of him or her do yourself a favor and check it out!

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He didn't he had 3 which tied him with perennial pro bowlers such as tahir whitehead and our very own Corbin Bryant. Did you watch any of his games to say he belongs on a ps? Or are you purely going off of stats because if you look at the list of preseason sack leaders there's a lot of who? guys on it. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=SACKS&conference=null&season=2014&seasonType=PRE

If there is a Buffalo Wild Wings hold your draft there! It is a great place to hold your draft. They give you a free kit with the board and stickers etc. You get 10$ coupons for everyone in the league and a flag for the champ. Everyone can eat or drink however much they want and the atmosphere is great. I was apprehensive at first but have held my live draft there the last 2 years and will be doing so again this year. Seriously give it a shot you won't be disappointed! You got it! I had my draft tonight and skipped Floyd for Watkins... being a homer clouded me a bit but here is my team (12 man standard scoring, snake draft, 5th pick)... QB Matt Ryan RB Matt Forte RB Rashad Jennings Flex Ray Rice WR Dez Bryant WR Alshon Jeffrey TE Kyle Rudolph (told you I love him lol Norv gets TEs to play well!) Def TB Bucs (stream my def week 1 carolina w a banged up Newton) K Robbie Gould RB MJD WR Sammy Watkins WR Danny Amendola RB Bernard Pierce (handcuff for Rice's supsension) Rb Davonta Freeman (remember this name..) RB Andre WIlliams (Jennings handcuff) WR Kelvin Benjamin

I like this team. Fred to handcuff CJ, M Floyd may outproduce Fitz this yer (according to some projections I think that is crazy but you never know), LOVE Rudolph especially as a backup, and LOVE Brown. You are well on your way with this team.

Ugh my wife is pregnant with our first right now and stories like these terrify me. I can't even imagine the sadness. 3 months old. I'm gonna go throw up now.

Actually it doesn't sound dumb at all. The only motivating factor is playing time. If manziel knew he wasn't going to play this year how hard would he have tried? If effort, focus, and preparation are question marks you don't remove motivation.

Yes!!! It actually matters and adds a margin of error element that was missing before.

15 posts in and I get to be the first with a %Randelicious!!!

Sure giving up tds may be an anomoly but what about the fact that teams are targeting him, especially in the redzone. That is what, out of everything, is the most concerning to me. Especially since they are succesful in doing so...

That is twice in this thread that you have posted this. What exactly are you getting at? I don't think he will give up 16 either. I don't think anyone here has even implied that. I won't hold the Benjamin catch as blown coverage as it was a play where he did everything right except turn and look for the ball. The play last night was a good throw but the wr was wide open. It is a concerning trend that twice in 2 weeks teams have gone right at him imo. That isn't what anyone wants to see from the teams "shutdown corner."

Seeing the positions it appears you are going to want to start 2 rbs. Starting 4 wr every week would be a huge disadvantage in standard scoring. You could have 2 of the top rbs and not have to worry about that position. I don't see Peyton repeating his year from last year and QB is DEEP. With only 10 teams you could get a great value QB late. Foles is going 9th/10th round, Brady is also going late. Assuming many people are keeping 2 players you will have a pick very near the top of the draft and if QB is important to you Brees, Rodgers, or even Manning may still be out there depending on who is kept by other players. Forte and Charles are 2 of the top 4 players in almost every rankings. I would go that way if I were you especially in standard scoring. I give Bluefire credit for his analysis but it is based purely on projections. If you go by last years numbers, Forte outscored RB 15 by 91 points. Manning outscored the #5 qb by 130. That was in an all time amazing record setting year. I think he comes back to the pack a bit this year which isn't a huge leap considering he set all time records for yards and tds. I'm thinking there will be a vry good qb sitting at that first pick in the 3rd round for you but can't say the same for a non rbbc rb.

This was the first game I thought that I don't know if he has what it takes. He is a long way from a "shutdown corner." It speaks volumes to me that teams are choosing to go right at him. Not only that they are succesful in doing so. I don't think he is Justin Rogers bad but he really has done nothing to impress in any of the 3 practices (oops games) so far.

That is what I am looking to do. I want the defense spot to mean something not just be a couple of point bonus for everyone. What are the rest of your rules?

What are the rest of the starting spots? I like the analysis that Blue Fire laid out but can't accurately answer your question without knowing what the positions are and what keeping each player would cost you. Also what pick do you have, how many teams, and is it a snake draft or auction?

Just a friendly reminder to all that there is a fantasy football forum here! It is somewhat of a ghost town but I'm sure there are enough of us here that play ff to change this. He can be a great pick up (2 years ago) or a complete bust (last year). He is most valuable in a ppr format. That said he is very boom or bust. Also add in the fact that he is competing with a lot of different weapons this year he is a scary draft. I agree with Cletus if he is your rb 2 it will be terrifying if he is a flex option that you can play based on matchups you will be happy. I'm not so sure this is true the top 6 backs are (according to most rankings) Forte, Charles, AP, McCoy, Lacy, and DeMarco Murray ( ) simply because they aaren't rbbc. RB is highly ranked due to the thought of them getting guranteed touches. Spiller already has to share with Freddy and will not be getting any goal line carries which diminishes his value even more. Freddy is going to fall off a cliff soon. I don't know when but it will happen lol. Spiller is boom/bust as I said before and I also tend to steer away from Bills players due to the inconsistency. Rashad Jennings is going right around the same area as CJ this year and he is someone I would take over CJ. I like Giant running backs because Coughlin loves to pound the ball and Eli likes to dump the ball off. Andre Ellington in a PPR is in the same area and someone who should get the majority of backfield work for AZ. Bottom line on CJ is he could be great and it is awesome to own a player that blows up from your favorite team. It is a win/win however the opposite sucks and sucks badly. I might draft CJ if I can get value for him but I am cautious for all of the reason listed above. I also think there are better options in his area.

That looks similar to what I use except I also have points for yards allowed. Do you do anything with that or is it just these? What do defenses end up scoring for the year using this?

Any other commissioners out there? First year I ran the league I messed with Defensive scoring and defenses scored way too much. Last year I over corrected. So what are some of your scoring settings?

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