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So the what?!?! Seriously on a Monday after one of the biggest wins in recent Bills memory are people focused on the negative?

Talk to a fan of any team Orton was the QB of. He is not some great QB that was neutered by Marrone and Hackett. He is a mediocre talent that is actually overachieving (scary isn't it) in this offense. He just plainly put isn't very good and it is why everywhere he went the team looked to move on from him. This is the maddening thing to me. What has Orton done to deserve this longer leash? Why all the excuse making for him? Like this for example. Seriously what is more likely here; Marrone and Hackett are telling him to lie down to avoid turning the ball over OR Orton whose commitment to the game can certainly be questioned doesn't want to take the hit Damn beat me to it but exactly the same thought!

Sure. Unfortunately I'm on my phone so linking is out but Google Orton stats for verification (BTW if you type kyle Orton the 3rd suggestion is drunk lol) Currently Orton is throwing for the second most ypg of his career, has the second lowest int % of his career, second best td:int ratio, and second highest completion % while attemprint the second most passes of his career.

The 7-7 Houston texans? The team we played on the road? I'll answer the call but I don't know what they are going to say to contradict my post.

It's funny because Orton is having one of if not his best year of his career.

Op this tells you how bad your idea is. Kelly to83td is agreeing with you!

The Bills under Marrone this year don't lose these games. All of the teams they should beat they have. All of their losses are against teams with winning records. The Raiders are 2-12 going against a 8-6 Bills team. I'm smelling a route here.

Every single team does this it is not a special Bills are terrible idea. A perfect example of this is goal line formations. When you need short yardage it doesn't matter that the other team knows what you are doing you still expect to be succesful. I don't get why every single play needs to be a trick or deception. Sometimes it is up to the player to straight up beat their man. This is just a hindsight argument. If the Bills get the first running it on 3rd and short we are all happy.

So how do you feel about the Broncos moving to a run first offense with a top 5 all time first ballot hof qb? They don't even try to fool people as one of their tight ends is a tackle.

No They never have and likely will be playing for home field advantage. To be totally honest I don't want them to either. I'd like to see this team play and beat them no excuses.

Be honest how much did it pain you to post this link? they won. Save your pissing and moaning for another day.

Lol Bills fans have no idea how to handle December when it isn't all about next year by now.

There is your signature win 26.

Jim Harbaugh disagrees.....

The cards already have 11 wins.

I can't believe the blatant disregard both of you have for r1.

What I am saying is this is the first time since then they have been in the discussion this late in the year. That is how bad it has been around here and for this team. Marrone took over a team with the longest drought in the nfl. It should come as no surprise to anyone that this is a process without immediate results.

Say the lose this week and are eliminated at 7-7. You see no difference from being eliminated at 5-9 like they were last year?

More relevant than they have been since the Steelers game. So more relevant than they have been in 9 years. Yes they are the 11th seed but after this weekend could move up to the 6th seed. This is a very strange season where there are only 4 teams with a losing record in the AFC. Just last year the Bills would be all alone in 6th place by a game with the same 7-6 record.

I feel like people forget what the last 15 years have been like. Usually November is when we are talking about all of the scenarios that need to break right for the Bills and then December is when the discussion turns to whether or not tanking for a draft pick is the way to go. Here it is December 12th. The Bills are about to host the best team in the NFL and pundits are actually picking the Bills to win. Not only that but the Bills are still in the playoff discussion. These are the Buffalo freaking Bills! The laughingstock of the NFL for 15 years! They aren't anymore but somehow Marrone gets no credit. I can't for the life of me understand that.

I know duke had probably the worst penalty I've ever seen against the cheats but I thought he played well last week.

So no you don't see how dumb it is. The Bills are relevant in December for the first time in a decade but this coach gets no credit for it

Doug Marrone sucks because he has led the Bills to their best record in 10 years. Do you see how dumb that is?

Recently is all that matters though. It has been 6 years since they were in the super bowl. 20 years for the Bills. They had winning seasons 4 of the 6 years before Arians arrived. The Bills have had none in the 8 years before Marrone. How can you not see the difference in circumstances?!

A bottom tier franchise with a super bowl trip 6 years ago. Let's not pretend they are the same situation.