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What I'm hearing (and I hate to stick my neck out too lol) Fab and Southerland academics The booster issue repeated failed drug tests with no action taken by the university. There may be more but those are the main things I heard and none of them are a surprise to any of us.

Seriously. lol I loved being single and had come to enjoy the idea of being a bachelor forever. I had a list of things that a girl would have to do/be for me to give up the bachelor lifestyle. Loving sports was on my list. Somehow I ended up marrying a girl who within the first year asked me why I didn't just start rooting for a football team that won once in a while. A girl who, while watching a Laker game with me (hey I do root for some good teams - these last couple of years aside) commented on Lamar Odom being married to a Kardashian and loving the fact that all of the celebrities were there. Doesn't care for football (understands Sundays are mine though, and Thursday/Monday nights and doesn't give me a hassle) and doesn't like going to Cuse games (hates walking up the hill in the cold). She does like a sport though so I didn't completely go against my idea. She loves her some UFC lol.

my screen name is from my Bills season tickets. I sit in 310 for SU seasons. We sold the tickets for this game, because we got 150 each which gave us 300 towards the 1016 our 2 tickets cost for the year, and well because I have the seasons with my sister and my wife would have been pissed if I spent v day at a cuse game. I floated watching the game and got a similar response to JR lol. Yup me too. I even had to explain exactly what that meant and stupidly used the phrase that "it basically means that this season doesn't count for anything." She probably would have been slightly agreeable if it wasn't at 6. 8 would have been okay as the 3 month old would have kept her occupied. 4 o'clock would have worked as it would have been the middle of the day, who cares. 6 is the absolute worst though. I cut the cord last year too. I only have regular cable as they never shut me off and internet so dvr/tivo is out for me. I'm thinking I will miss most of this game and will be lucky to catch the second half. What the f*ck happened to me?

So on to the important question: How are you convincing your significant other to let you watch the Cuse on what is probably the dumbest scheduling in the history of SU Basketball? 6pm on valentines day?!?! Couldn't be 8? or 4? Had to be right at dinner time? What no wife/gf having douche scheduled this?!

I get that and knew we could have a conversation about it without you getting defensive on me. That comes from your 22k+ posts Good to hear and keep the info coming!

I'm sure I have a different perspective as I came to the thread late and like I said after the news had already broken but it just smacks of I was wrong but it is his fault I was wrong. He has 158 posts in 10 years and (to my knowledge) it is his first time breaking any sort of news. Perhaps he didn't know the proper etiquette that you and others expected. I see it from a different perspective. He offered a tidbit, there was push back, he offered more support to back it up, should have been end of story.

Not at all true. The next day you could start applying at competitors. Then when they called to do a reference check your former employer would be able to give dates of employment and position title. You would not be blackballed for a year, have your name dragged through the mud in the media, or suffer any long term consequences other than being unemployed until you found a job. Employers hands are tied anymore. There is no "you shouldn't hire that guy" as it would result in a lawsuit.

Things I don't care about with incognito: Death threats - most people in a heated exchange have uttered something like this. Usually at a younger age but verbal threats of physical harm are far down the list of things I worry about Sexually explicit comments - Get a group of guys together (especially meat heads in there 20s and the conversation will quickly turn to women and what they would do to them. The bullying scandal - I still can't grasp a 6'5" 320 lb man being bullied. Things I do care about: The penalties - for obvious reasons The sexual assault incident - taking words to the next level is not acceptable. Who knows what really happened but I am sure something happened Drugs - always a concern. Drug use when you have that much opportunity in front of you, just screams poor decision maker. What I like about this signing: There is zero risk - if he keeps his nose clean and performs, great! If he is a knucklehead or sucks, he is gone. No harm in looking.

The tone and tenor of that thread was embarrassing to say the least. Even this thread is a little sad. Some long time posters or short term heavy volume posters attacked the information with no need. Just because they were tired of discussing it? The same posters that will tell others just to not click on a thread or ignore it. By the end of page 2 (and I saw the thread late enough that the news had already broken) I certainly felt bad for the guy. It wasn't the worst I've ever seen but it felt uncalled for. Some offered half-hearted apologies, others said it was his fault for the way he posted the information (which continues in this thread), some apologized with out excuse and owned their mistake (JiH). If it truly was discussing the information that is all well and good but some posters took it too another level. Sure the tenor here can be good and at times it can get out of control, that doesn't excuse the times that it gets out of control. There are several posters here who mainly focus on attacking belittling people (I won't name anyone here but if you really need a list feel free to pm) and have high post counts, there are other clear trolls (ieatcrayonz although the new persona has certainly toned it down a bit), etc... I don't mean this directed at you bandit so please don't take it that way. I am glad this thread popped up though because that thread was not a shining example of what tsw is or should be. Many of us come here for these inside info tidbits and I for one (altough it appears I am not alone) don't want people run off or attacked for sharing. If they are trolling it will be apparent soon enough and then the flaming can begin.

No I'm not. What I'm saying is your sense of humor at 35 is probably much different than it was at 15.

Contraband was so terribly painfully obvious. I pegged that ending very early in the film. I enjoy Wahlberg a great deal. Fear was a very good movie and Shooter was phenomenal. However he can have a stinker here and there. Pain and Gain was absolutely terrible imo. I know this is your opinion so I won;t press to hard with this but.... The movies you quoted are over 20 years old. I would be willing to be you were in your 20s or younger when they came out. When that type of humor would be appealing to you. Now that you are older, your tastes have changed and "dumb" funny isn't as good to you anymore. I would bet if you asked your parents when kingpin or Dumb and Dumber came out they would have thought they were terrible much like you do with Ted. The target audience isn't older people it is teens and early 20s which I don't believe (guessing) you fall in.

This isn't disgusting at all. The secondary market let the NFL know that what they were selling was more valuable than the price they had attached to it. The NFL then adjusted their prices. This isn't them being greedy this is them being smart. They are simply removing the middle man. I don't feel sorry at all for stub hub or any other places that took a calculated risk that didn't work out. If anything this story tells you of the greed of the secondary market not the NFL. It is indeed. It also is them charging what people are willing to pay. If I had something that people were willing to pay $10 for and was selling it at $5 only to have someone else buy all of mine to turn around and sell it for $10 wouldn't I be an idiot not to mark my price up to $10? That is all that is going on here. There are many instances of the NFL being greedy this isn't one of them.

Yeah that was me. I'll readily admit too that I was indeed looking for a smoking gun to prove that they were somehow cheating lol. It turned out that outside of benjarvus green Ellis the rest of the players I looked at (woodhead, Sammy morris, and blount) all fall within a very close range on and off the pats*. I chose The players I did bc they were the rbs that played for other teams. Ridley, vereen, Kevin faulk, and Maroney were exclusively pats* players so there was no data to use. The one thing I will say is that I did not look at any wr or other positions. due to the volume of touches rbs got I figured that would be the best sample size to pull data from.

Undeniably this is bringing more attention to the game. The pats* have done the impossible and made the Seahawks out to be the good guys in all of this. Regular news broadcasts have been covering this topic bring ing in casual observers and giving them a rooting interest. This case is falling in the "there is no such thing as bad press" for the league. The pats* however are kind of on the other end of the spectrum.

Just some food for thought on fumbling and the pats* Benjarvus Green Ellis: 4 years with pats* 0 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost... 2 years with Bengals 5 fumbles 4 lost (discrepancy) Legarette Blount: 21 games with pats* 3 fumbles, 2 lost.... 51 games with other teams 7 fumbles 5 lost (minimal difference) Danny Woodhead: 45 games with the pats* 2 fumbles 1 lost... 29 games without 2 fumbles 2 lost (incomplete - if he goes next season without a fumble it would tie his pats* stats Sammy Morris: 4 season with pats* 3 fumbles 2 lost... 8 seasons without 8 fumbles 4 lost (minimal difference) This seems to lend some credence to those saying that the Pats* target players who don't fumble.

I did and found it especially strange since my entire post was 2 sentences of me and the rest quotes of the story. I didn't even think my post was that strong lol. Oh well

Not sure why you came at me but your snark is very unwarranted. Especially for the post you quoted. This situation is confirmation of what many around here have thought for a long time. The pats* will do whatever it takes to win whether that is within the rules, stretching the rules, or outside of them. Again this isn't whether or not cheating benefited them. It is about whether or not they did.

It is very much like politics. Things are only a big deal when people make them a big deal. Could this have been going on for a long time? Of course! Until the media picks up and runs with it nobody cares. This is the perfect story to fill the first week before the super bowl. I have a feeling that next week will be all about the game itself and some sprinkling in of this situation. That said (and I am sure this has been mentioned repeatedly in a 96 page thread). This situation by itself isn't the biggest deal in the world. The fact that they did this and have a past history of doing this makes it a much bigger deal than this situation by itself. Think about a player like Raiola from Detroit. First time he did something dirty it was a fine and some people were actually defending what he did. Second time it was a suspension and nobody came to his defense. This has turned into a pattern. This has brought to light to the national scene what those of us who are fans of the AFC East already knew. The pats* are not and haven't been for a long time on "the up and up" or a model franchise. It has gone from us Bills fans hating them and thinking they are cheaters to fans of pretty much every team saying the same thing. That is why this is a big deal. The media darling Tom Brady and the almighty pats* might just be Lance Armstrong or Barry Bonds. Also Jackson wasn't the first to report it was the manager that he turned the ball over to after the interception.

This isn't about whether the Patriots needed to cheat. This is only about whether they did cheat. That is what the defenders of the pats* need to hear over and over. The sidebar comments from former players also struck me as very damning. Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you, Tom Brady." Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That hard [to believe]." Mark Brunell: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Certainly a different sport but I referee soccer and it very easy to tell when a ball is under inflated. Those are to be 9-10.5 lbs of air maybe that is why it is more noticeable but it jumped in my head immediately. As a soccer ref I am handling a ball much less than a football referee would as well. That said... Wouldn't 2 lbs of pressure be noticeable when they threw it to each other for spots, or when they placed it on the ground, or when they held it for measuring? It did happen at least once that the official noticed it early in the 3rd so I don't totally buy that they didn't/wouldn't notice. I am asking seriously though as I really have no idea. Going back to soccer it is noticeable most when the ball is bouncing which is something that doesn't happen in football with the regularity it does in soccer.

I think we are looking at a Michael Jordan situation. Quietly something will happen. Perhaps Belicheck will take a year off, or donate a substantial amount of money to an NFL charity. I have a feeling whatever punishment is announced will only be part of the actual punishment. It will be announced AFTER the super bowl. Hopeful me says: As a guy who believes that NFL games are massaged to the outcome the league wants from time to time I would be very surprised to see the Pats* win the super bowl this year. If it is a close game there will be a controversial call/non-call benefiting Seattle which will help them win the game. Realistic me says: We will be underwhelmed with the punishment, there will something done behind the scenes as I said, and the pats* will continue to stretch the rules/cheat. Super Bowl trips are certainly worth the 25k that is being thrown around as punishment. The chance to win a title is certainly worth that pittance in everyone's mind including Kraft. This is one of the bigger aspects of the story to me. Either the refs are incompetent or worse complicit. Either way not a good look for the NFL.

I almost feel bad for the money I made on my tickets this year. My sister and I have center court tickets and profited over $200 mainly bc we got $150 each for the Duke game. We will be able to attend 6 games, make that money, and have the tourney tickets still too. Cuse season tickets are turning into a pretty good investment! As for the Clemson game, I'm wondering if word got to the players about the post season ban. That was a pretty poor first half and Clemson was on fire. I was very pleased with the effort in the second half but they just couldn't make it all the way back. When it got to 13 on a few different occasions I actually kept thinking they might have a chance. This is a good year for the post season ban though. I think by the end of the year this team will be close to a bubble team anyway.

Pretty close to what I'm hearing too. Stripped of 12 wins from 2010-2012 2 scholarship losses starting in 16 And yes banned from the tourney this year. I hate the ncaa. Unc better get way worse than this.

I really dislike this argument. It has nothing to do with millionaire vs. billionaire. It has to do with on the person's favorite team or not on their team. Look at how fast fans turn on players when they leave or embrace them when they return. LeBron is a perfect example of this. He was loved in Cleveland, hated in Cleveland, and now loved again. It is because fans root for the uniform it has nothing personal from a player/agent perspective but very personal to many fans. The other issue many have is how players go about their business. Between Peters holding out, showing up out of shape, and then admitting to not giving 100% and Byrd having foot problems that many fans find suspicious it is very easy to see why Parker is not liked here. He does a great job, exactly what he is paid to do as you said. His tactics suck and it feels like he keeps getting the better of the Bills. It is easy to understand why he is disliked by Bills fans but it has nothing to do with siding with the owner.

As it does most years it will come down to the schedule. Look at the AFC North. Wow they got 3 teams in isn't that great. Well they played the NFC and AFC South, the 2 worst divisions in football. How about in the NFC? 2 teams from the NFC North that also got to play the NFC South. In a 16 game schedule, with the talent levels on most teams being so close, the teams you have to play have a huge effect on making the playoffs. Part of the Pats* success is due to the fact that they get 6 games every year against the Jets, Bills, and Phins. That allows them to get some easy wins and a lot of times get a first round bye. Not to get sidetracked from my original point and go on a Pats* tangent but this article has the info... Since the Brady-Belichick Era began in New England in 2001, the Buffalo Bills are a pathetic 83-130, never having a better record than the 9-7 mark they achieved in 2004, good for third place in the division. The Dolphins are all of 98-115 over the same timeframe, and the Jets are 105-108. The Patriots have a 63-18 record within the AFC East since the start of the 2001 season. The Jets are 39-41 over that same period; the Dolphins, 34-48, the Bills, 27-54. So now that Buffalo finally has a talent level at or near the rest of the league it is no surprise that they competed well this year. Next year's schedule, on paper at least, looks to be easier than this years schedule.