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I mean, he got the ball back from the running back and was in the pocket such as it was at that point.

Stafford was literally bleeding.

The odds of him taking that hit are greatly increased IN the pocket than on a designed run.

Cunningham certainly declined, but most pocket passers also decline. He also had his best year by in year 13. As I also displayed, many, many more injuries occur in the pocket. Many more 'big hits' occur in the pocket against a stationary QB. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't look to have Josh run less. The concern about it vastly overblown though. Then your argument is a fallacy. All points of data refute your assertion so then saying "Well, maybe there's something we don't know!" is not rational. On top of that, we have even more data showing that QBs take more big hits in the pocket. Why would the hits pocket passers take (which again, are more frequent) not add up on their injuries?

I've already told you that both of Newton's injuries didn't come from running. His shoulder injury which is when it's widely considered he started sucking came when he tried to make a tackle after an interception. Please explain how that is related to his running? Also, his second injury to his foot was evading a sack. So should Josh stop attempting to evade sacks?

Then you must hate Allen being in the pocket. Joe Theissmann was injured while in the pocket on a flea flicker.

According to your shifting goalposts? That's obviously unlikely as I already provided several examples and data on where most QB injuries occur. I'd appreciate it if you have actual data and not your random feelings. Can you provide data on the 'average' career of 'pocket' passers vs 'running' qbs? Can you provide any data at all?

I see you are quite misinformed and are trying top use several points that are either strawman or random flailing. Cunningham's injury came on a sack, not a run. What does Vick's ability as a passer have to do with injury? Steve Young is considered a 'mobile' or 'running' QB by everyone. He had more Rush yards than Josh did in 2019 or 2020. Would you like many, many differnt resources that consider him a 'running' QB? He had 5 seasons with over 400 rushing yards. It was also a different era. RPOs weren't nearly as prevalent. Your assertion that Kordell Stewart was a pocket passer is certainly a unique take. Donovan McNabb's broken ankle was on a sack. I'll concede on Elway. He only had roughly 50 attempts a season and ~250 yards. Again, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone describe Steve McNair as a pocket passer. QBs that ran less than 5.5% of plays missed 8.5% of their games. QBs that ran more than 12% of the time missed 9.5% of their games. QBs that ran 5.5% to 12% of the time missed ~11.5% of their games. You can see injury rates on types on plays: Knockdowns: 1 injury every 57.1 plays (90 total injuries on 5,135 plays for a 1.8% injury rate) Sacks: 1 injury every 75.1 plays (52 total injuries on 3,903 for a 1.3% injury rate) Scrambles: 1 injury every 106.7 plays (23 total injuries on 2,455 plays for a 0.9% injury rate) Designed runs: 1 injury for every 174.2 plays (11 total injuries on 1,916 plays for an 0.6% injury rate) (John Verros, the injury coordinator at Sports Info Solutions) I'm curious if you have any information beyond your feelings. I'm not sure you got through the whole thing.. You can see above for more information. As I mentioned, RGIII suffered that injury that is attributed to the decline in his play in a non-contact injury recovering a fumble. Cam Newton suffered the first injury that people attribute with a decline in his play (shoulder) attempting a tackle after an interception. His foot injury came evading a sack.

What history has shown this? Please name the QBs you are talking about. Randall Cunningham: 15 seasons Mike Vick: 13 seasons Steve Young: 15 seasons Kordell Stewart: 9 seasons Donovan McNabb: 13 seasons John Elway: 16 seasons Steve McNair: 13 seasons Almost every commonly cited rushing quarterback used as an example to avoid running had their most significant injury happen in the pocket or on a fluke play(like RGIII who got injured recovering a fumble).

Can we get a little less conversation on Singletary/Moss and more about Blackshear in this Ed Oliver Injury thread?

Actually, studies show that QBs that run the least and QBs that run the most are the least injured. Really good breakdown here: https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

Why does the screaming in my head never run out of breath

Mercy Points.

Ray may not know how to answer, but Josh does..

You can get a headstart on the alcoholism and swearing now though. Don't procrastinate.

I asked this years ago.. and got an answer from the powers that be.. short answer.. traffic > quality. Everyone rushes to tell these people how wrong they are so that apparently indicates interest.

Jets/Ravens - I enjoy watching the Jets get blown out Browns/Panthers - I think Mayfield is a douche, but watching him push the browns **** in will be cathartic Dolphins/Patriots - Dolphin fans are super annoying. I'd like a pats victory, but I don't see it happening. The Pats fans losing hope will be a nice conciliation prize though.

Ouch: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/09/09/rams-lose-starting-center-brian-allen-for-2-4-weeks-with-knee-injury/

Can someone send Baldy some professional equipment? His audio isn't great and it looks like he's watching the game on his TV and recording it with his phone.

The Ravens would prefer to have the deal done over whatever things they might slip past him. You're way off base if you think teams are looking to 'screw over' their star players. What provision do you expect to exist in his contract that would be worth it? Just go listen to Beane on how much he values the relationships with agents.

I doubt it. 100% the Ravens would prefer an agent to be involved. The deal would be done if he had one.

The problem with tagging him is that it will be a LOT of money and there will be no manipulation of the cap with it.

Yes.

Collinsworth is somehow more annoying when he's ballwashing your team.