Ronin

It's fans like you that deserve this since you give the team/org what it wants w/o any accountability. Football's a business first and foremost, and we are part of the equation and one side of the bargaining table. As they say, a fool and his money are soon parted.

You don't understand how Vegas odds are formed, do you? It's hardly scientific. in short, it's far more pop-oriented. Put another way, it's done similarly to the way many fans supported Nix, Gailey, Wannstedt, George Cortez (Gailey's choice), now David Lee to replace Cortez to help fix Fitz, etc., with most people simply running on opinions without looking at any facts. As Marx once said, repeat a lie often enough and eventually it becomes the truth. That's how it works in Buffalo. The FO will pony up the next pudding pop of a GM and HC and everyone will fall all over themselves digging the microscopic hints of success from the mound of **** that's sitting in front of them and bolster those as if they were top notch credentials. Meanwhile, all the fans will go "MMMM, Yummy, thank you sir, may we have another!" Then of course it once again eventually becomes wash/rinse/repeat time. That's how Vegas works. Most people research games about as much as anyone here researches blind dates. it's more like a pop-belief more than anything scientific. Kind of like one of those stooge talking heads like Cowher, insists that we're going to win the Super Bowl five games into the season like he did a few years back. That's why Vegas is often easy to beat in sports for those that do their homework.

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Yes, been numb for seasons now. I only get excited when trying to convince fans to do what they are now doing, boycott this loser organization until Ralph makes a clean sweep of the administration. May or may not happen, but as I've said for years, it's definitely not going to happen if they keep achieving their goals. At least this notion that if the fans don't pay for this crap then the team will leave has been put to rest. We now all know fully that if the team leaves it's because Wilson won't sell it to someone that wants to keep it in the region because Buffalo/WNY will not win a bidding war on the open market. BTW, this team is not only pathetic, it is on pace to shatter the record for most points allowed by a Bills team. The current tally is 454 points in 1984. The present pace is for 563. They're on pace to allow over 7,000 yards. All of that with a renovated defense featuring some of the biggest names and contracts in football. They've played four teams which are hardly considered prolific offenses too. It's just unreal.

Rummy ... LOL Maybe they can get Levy back to be a celebrity popcorn salesman aisle-to-aisle. That's right up there with some of Brandon's best brain-babies. The no-shows, hopefully, will send a strong message. I'm curious which $100M free agent they're going to sign next season that has low-top tier stats for which everyone will fawn over. Instead of doing commercials for suits, Brandon needs to be doing commercials selling clown supplies and clown shoes and noses. They're paying you $20? Take it, then no-show. I could use a few hundred myself, perhaps I'll ask for a dozen. That's exactly what needs to happen, but not just now, next season too after their next round of foolery.

Agreed. But even before that, when even the most thick-skulled knew that Edwards would never amount to anything, he went all-in on Edwards. Remember how he leaned in on those two kids that were heckling Edwards in camp three seasons ago. Everyone should have known something was up right then and there. Everyone applauds him for hiring David Lee, who once again wasn't noted for, except here and other Bills places in the preseason, for creating good QBs, he was noted for creating the Wildcat. BFD Meanwhile, entirely overlooked was the fact that Gailey hired the stiff before him too. Gailey's been in over his head since he was hired. People just refused to look at the facts. Same for Nix. Fitzpatrick has always been a journeyman QB, you could tell by his mechanics. Anytime people have to point out how smart a QB is, or "poised in the pocket" as was the case with Edwards, in order to justify poor performance, that should be a red flag right there. But it hasn't been. Once again it's taken most Bills fans getting hit over the head with a 2x4 to figure it out. The funny thing is that instead of boycotting this **** for a couple of seasons, everyone will kneejerk to the carrot on the end of the next pole just like they've done for the current string of rejects, retreads, and turds. Until this Pavlovian exercise ends, fans will get what they deserve. Wilson and the franchise have gotten all that they've wanted, full or near full stadiums for games. Can't ask for more there. By all rights this stadium should have been empty over the last five seasons. Want change? Quit buying tickets and merchandise and going to games, plain and simple. I guarantee, two seasons of the stadium averaging 30-some thousands for games will give Wilson all the kick in the pants he needs. If he makes it that long now. This should have been done the last few seasons. He wouldn't want that humiliation. And as everyone now knows full well, it's not going to change a damn thing insofar as the team moving goes. Anyway, here's raising a glass to the next exercise of prematurely praising the next budget GM, Head Coach, and retread QB, and to the next round of "he needs three seasons" and "he's on the right track" and "BILL-IEVE!!!" followed by the same realization, in 2015/16. Cheers!

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Where can we get the post game pressers if we don't live in town? Does GR carry them? Who/where? I can't wait to see what dribbles out of the crap faucet this time. I normally never pay attention to them, but this should be a real hoot.

... that most of the modern stadiums and stadium "upgrades" are primarily, if not entirely, purely egotistical and luxurious but completely unnecessary? Of the dozens and dozens of games that I and my friends have been to at Rich, I have never found myself complaining about the lack of amenities. Ever. Any complaints that I've had have usually been fan or food (cost) related. For years fans have sat in those seats and I've never heard any complaints except after the fact after they've been instructed how miserable their time was. i.e., it's media perpetuated IMO. Give people reason to be dissatisfied and they will be. I'd rather have the team's share of the money get spent on good coaching and management rather than the stadium. They can build the nicest stadium in the league, but if all they're going to fill it with on Sundays is what they've been filling it with for years, then it's like taking a sterling silver punch bowl and filling it w/ ****. I just don't get the notion that all of these new stadiums have to be built for the terminally ADD.

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Actually it's very true. I have no idea what data has been used to "prove" it untrue, but I'd question that first and foremost. The single biggest difference between the "early Brady" and Bledsoe was that Brady didn't make the same stupid mistakes that Bledsoe made. You can find all kinds of games over the years that Bledsoe lost single-handedly, and his record against teams with 10 or more wins over the years, and given the number of games he'd played, was pathetic. Otherwise, in Brady's second season of starting he had already but up better numbers than Bledsoe ever had throughout his career, before or since then. The Pats didn't hand games away w/ Brady in there. As well, are you considering too that it was the officials that put the Pats in the AFCCG? Because they wouldn't have made it to that point otherwise. Also, in that 2001 season, Brady led the team to more points scored than anytime that Bledsoe had been on the team except for one season back in '96 with Parcells coaching and with Curtis Martin carrying their offense on his back. Bledsoe's numbers were decent that season but as was characteristic with him, most of his stats, in this case 17 of his 27 TDs were in five games against five mediocre to bad teams, none with winning records. FWIW

Sorry, been following Bledsoe particularly for years at the time since my Pats buddy always used to insist that he was among the best ever. He was nowhere close to being yanked for Brady when he got injured. Try again. Brady did what Bledsoe has never done, he didn't make the mistakes, ... like Fitz. As to Belichick in Cleveland, that was one season, he sucked otherwise. Again, you make a fatal flaw in your reasoning there too, Belichick's '94 success in that 11-5 season had far more to do with an cupcake schedule, ala the Bills in say '04 for one other example, featuring the Texans and Bengals, two pathetic teams for four of those 11 wins, then Arizona, Philly, the Jets, New England, Indy, and Seattle, none of which had a winning record. His Browns beat one team with a winning record that season. That was the reason for the 11 win season. He had his QB, Testeverde, post one of his worst seasons ever in his career while there, so don't pitch that he's more responsible for his QB's play than his QBs are. Since Brady's the only one he's ever had success with, we know all we need to know. The Pats would have been a .500 team tops over the years w/o Brady and with some other average type QB. And to counter your point further, with basically the same team the following season, Testeverde played even better, although still below average, so why couldn't his team be even .500? The answer is easy. And if what you say is true, then why did they start off 3-1 and beat 13-3 KC as one of those 3 wins, before losing 4 of their next 5 before Modell even made the announcement, which was a surprise to everyone? Belichick was still a losing coach to that point.

BTW, correct you are. It's like discipling a child. You can delay or even ignore it and do nothing, but the longer that it goes on, the more of a brat you raise, due to your own lack of effort and caring. It sounds antithetical, that if you really care as a fan, then you'd boycott the team for a few seasons, doesn't it. The organization wants something, namely eveyrone's money and support, primarily the former. I suppose they'd rather have eight sold out games and no one in attendance at those games (empty stadiums), than to have 8 games with 30,000 tickets sold and fannies in those seats. But if fans want anything to change, it's going to have to be because they send this organization a message. I along with others have been preaching this for over a decade though and it falls on deaf ears. At least you're not bitching about how all the things that you supported are not going well. Those fans really grind at me. It's either shut up and support the team and be happy with whatever results come, or show your support by understanding what's going on ahead of time, as is always ascertainable, and by reacting to their idiotic and lacking decisions immediately after they make them. It's stunning how so many people expect a GM or Head Coach, or even assistant like Wannstache, with no credentials in being superlative in their respective areas, or anything even close, and in the case of some, even dragging a huge record of failure behind them along with a media laundry list of excuses (something that this organization if notorious for), or who ignorantly inflate what limited successes that players or coaches actually have, to then do what they've never ever done before. I mean let's buy a pig and tell everyone that it's going to fly over the stadium before the game. If the fans want change, then don't buy a thing next season or the one after it. I guarantee that something will change. And we all know, BOO f'ing HOO, if we don't pay for this slop then the team will move. Yeah right. It's looked like it's going to move every since Ralph proved that he's entirely unwilling to work with a group that wants to keep the team in the region. Here's a clue, if the team sells and moves once Wilson kicks the bucket, then guess what, he'll have as a legacy being the only owner of the Buffalo Bills. Who here, besides me, thinks that's more than enough of an incentive to want the team to move after he croaks! ... and spare me the respect Wilson stuff. I have nothing against Ralph, great guy in fact as people go is my understanding since like 99.999% of you I've never even seen or heard the guy personally outside of high level Bills related stuff, but he's no friend of Bills fans as the media's desperately tried to make out over the years. If the team stays, it will be half a miracle, mostly because he's done nothing to try to make it stay. ... and as if his family won't have enough money one way or the other after it sells.

The guy you're responding to is absolutely right! If the stadium were only half full on Sundays, it might, might mind you, give Wilson pause to do something real for a change. Brandon is no marketing genius. The fans are gullible. They don't do their own due diligence and vetting of acquisitions, whether they be players, coaches, or GMs. They buy the lipservice, usually mostly if not all nonsense and lies, and actually believe it without validating it. Take Mario for example. What's he done, besides all of the NFL talking heads telling us how great he is, from a performance standpoint? He has ranked among the top-10 leading sackers only two times in six seasons. Once 7th, very unimpressive, and only once 3rd. So what, what everyone believed was that he was going to come to Buffalo of all places and cement himself as what, the league's top sacker? Top-3? Top-5? Why? There was no basis behind it. Same thing with the string of coaches and GMs. Nix has no particular credentials, and GM'ing is so much different than scouting anyway. Levy had no clue much less any credentials. That was just a fun-loving exercise in nostalgia. Mularkey made his team worse, but for some reason many here thought that he was going to make the Bills better. Again, why? Why, because Brandon and the FO told you so? What if they told you that if you could manage to dive down 50' in Lake Erie without the assistance of SCUBA gear or buoyancy devices or garb in mid-January, and under the ice, that you'd find a leprechaun's pot of gold and make it up alive with it, would anyone dive down to try to find it? Why does anyone listen to these losers? They're losers, they can't and don't win. But here's the funny part, and massively frustrating to those that see it coming, is that they'll do the same thing next season and the same people will bite. Those of us that are skeptical, an increasing group, will be lectured on how the "experts" and those that "know the NFL better than we do," namely the same people everyone's presently complaining about, know more than those that point out the past history of the same people they hire, and their massive failures and certainly voids of success. Then of course we'll get into the season and nothing will be different, then we'll be told by the same people, some of whom have already folded their hands on this season we can clearly see, how "it's just one game" and how "everyone's overreacting," etc. You know who you are! (and I'm not necessarily talking to you APBt) You keep telling the rest of us to quit complaining, but apparently it's OK for you to complain after x number of games every season despite what should have been the obvious. What the worst thing is are people that support this nonsense perennially, pay money and support it financially, give the organization what it wants so that no real reason for change is necessary, complain about people that complain based on history and the facts and data before the season is played, again, usually despite the obvious, and then who turn into whiners themselves after the fact and well after it's too late to do anything about it, ... but here's the kicker, ... who will be lined up to wash/rinse/repeat next season. If it's all about supporting the team, than sorry, but STFU and go to the games, support the team financially, and be happy that you're supporting the team for whatever your reasons are. But don't give the organization all that they can ask of you, then gripe that you got ripped off. IMHO those are the absolutel worst kind of fans on the planet. Sorry, but things are ONLY going to change when the stadium sits half-empty for two straight seasons, just as it did in the mid-80s. Not before.

The problem is, who even wants to come coach in Buffalo anymore? It's going to take a premium, and any good coach, take Gruden for example, if he even wants to return to coaching given his nice "9-5" job w/ zero responsibility, why would he even considering coming here other than for a few 10s of millions more than he could get elsewhere? And why would he come here without insisting that the entire FO be replaced? Would you as a candidate? It's almost like screwing your entire career over and all but guaranteeing that it will end on a sour note if you do otherwise. And what does this team do for an encore? I for one didn't expect Mario to meet the ridiculous superman "gonna help the team win 4+ more games expectations placed on him, but honestly, he'll have to have a sack/game with the team going 8-4 the rest of the way in order for his ridiculous contract to be validated. Hell, they'll likely lose four games within the next five games, maybe the next four. I mean how can they "show anyone that they're serious" now? How do they avoid everyone thinking, except for Bills fans of course, many of whom will clearly buy anything, that even with a fantastic move, that it'll amount to anything? What ah horribly pathetic organization. And who really still thinks that by going to games and paying for tickets to this slop, that they are really influencing whether or not the team stays in the region? ... really!

He didn't do anything with Bledsoe. If Bledsoe had not gotten injured, would he have put Brady in, ever? ... until Bledsoe retired? Let's keep in mind that Belichick was a losing coach until he had Brady, who was a 6th round diamond in the rough. Belichick should be on his knees that Brady fell into his lap. The Pats' success is far more hinged to Brady than it is Belichick. He's a good coach, but not nearly as good as he's made out to be. He sucked in Cleveland and was 5-11 with a team that had no reason to be less than that in New England with Bledsoe at QB. He was tied for the 6th worst record in the league that season and had only one winning season in 6 before having his choice at QB get injured and being forced to put Brady in. He gets way more credit than he deserves. And honestly, who here really thinks that the Pats would have come back last week with Bledsoe slingin' the ball?

LOL Have we learned nothing? When was the last time that the organization went out and found a coach with real credentials and not Mr. Rogers Make-Believe-Neighorhood made up credentials that everyone fawns over, including many here and on other Bills forums, until it's plain as day that they were sold a bill-of-goods? Wannstache is exactly the kind of person they'd select, although they've probably killed that likelihood because he is the DC and off to the worst Defensive start in Bills' history and on pace to shatter the team's former worst Points-Allowed standard of 454 in 1984 when the team was 2-14. He's already pacing 90 points more allowed than last season and needs to average only 27 ppg allowed in order to achieve a new standard in that way. Right now there's nothing to counter the notion that he'll get it. The organization doesn't hire anyone good or proven, you should know that. It hires people like Nix who as part of an entire FO elsewhere all of a sudden was the reason for everything good that happened at that particular front office and of course advised against all of their worst moves and was responsible of course for none of their worst moves. Forget the fact that his 2010 Draft hardly has any players left on the team and doesn't feature a single player that can be counted on regularly from game to game. ... or that after Dareus, a pick requiring real brain power, his 2011 draft ain't far behind. ... or that this season's draft only features Glenn as offering anything significant through 4 games, who was drafted after Gilmore who can't cover man2man. Nah, it'll be another retread requiring turd polish like Levy. As to coaches, expect someone, like Gailey, who hasn't coached in a decade, and when he did, his team got worse in his brief tenure, or that coached a non-NFL style offense in college using players that never did anything in the NFL. Or someone like Jauron, who failed miserably in his former job as a head coach featuring perennial losing. Or someone like Mularkey, whose former team didn't even want him, and who made his unit notably worse over his three seasons as a coordinator. So take a look at the thousands of available candidates from those available pools, and you'll find our next coach. And hey, who knows, I'd say that the odds are 50/50 that this new coach isn't even working in the NFL this season. Nuthin' but the best for Bills fans, some of the best fans in the country. Then again, it's these same fans that continue to support such blatantly pathetic decision making every year and those here in these forums that criticize those that point this out at the onset of it all, not only when it becomes patently obvious. So hey, if the forums are a good sample of the entire fan base, who knows, maybe the majority of fans do deserve what's happening now.

He claims that this injury is from last season. Didn't the team give him a physical, which should have revealed issues with it with pressure as he insists. I'd have made dam sure that it was fine before shelling out a fraction of what they gave much less that silly and absurd contract. But hey, that's what we've grown to know and expect from this illustrious FO. How 'bout another round of how well Nix is doing! Cheers

I'm just curious, largely fostered by Bills forums in existence, for years everyone talked about how Ralph was such a great owner because he cared about the fans in B-lo and WNY and was doing his best to keep the team here, but he's never done a dam thing to ensure that, and in fact he has done things to all but ensure that the team actually moves when he passes away. If anyone spoke out and warned about that very thing in that way ten years ago they were castigated treated like ingrates, so just curious, what does everyone think about our illustrious leader and infinite "friend of the Buffalo fans" these days? As I see it, and as I've seen it for over a decade, he couldn't do more to see to it that the team moves out of Buffalo but sell it to someone that wanted to do it himself. Who knows, maybe it's more important to him to have himself be the sole owner of the "Buffalo" Bills as a legacy. BTW, change the owner, and you'll likely fix the rest of the problems too, or at least be in a better position to.

Pretty sad when losing a rookie means the end of the season. I don't disagree, just sayin'. Meanwhile, Glenn has outplayed Mario and Gilmore.

I'm guessing that the conversation was to 911 and went more like this; Help, I've fallen and can't get up. LOL

This is very easy to explain, and w/o reading through three pages of responses, someone may have already done so. Mario was very overrated. He's good, but nowhere near as good as many seem to think he is and the media's assisted in painting a much larger picture of him than he deserves. As to Buffalo, naturally everyone that we sign is going to triple their output once they get here, at least until proven otherwise, that's a given, so the homer expectations are easily explicable. But Houston is actually doing better without him presently. In six seasons there he ranked among the top-10 sack getters only twice. TWICE! Not annually or anything close. In those two times he was 3rd and 7th, not 1st and 2nd. So it's quite easy to see why he hasn't owned up to the ridiculous expectations. It's a little bit more difficult, particularly since we've played Cleveland, KC, and the Jets, with QBs that are sack-easy, to figure out why he's not even on pace for his season average of around 10 sacks. The easy answer is that he's drawing so much heat that the others are getting through, but anyone watching the games sees that he's not even beating the one-on-one's. As it is, his one solo sack has circumstances attached to it. The answer is plain, he's good, just nowhere near as good as his contract is. But who cares, his primary purpose has been served, to hold the fans' interest and to sell merchandise and get them all whooped up over just the next installment of Underacheivers-R-Us brought to you by Klown Koaching Inc. And why no one is blaming Nix for this remains unanswered. The rest of his '12 Draft after Glenn is looking like crap too. Nothing after Gilmore, who has only been below average, and Glenn, who's been good at least. Short answer: Wannstedt He's just another coach with a name that has always been heralded in the NFL's good-old-boy network as being better than he is. Buffalo is a place for overrated people with more name value to come to get more than they should get because the administration needs the marketing boosts, while then leaving the fans high-n-dry.

Have you enjoyed the spin?

The rebuiding project begins with an experienced and effective GM and Head Coach. In that regard it hasn't even begun.

As well, no need to panic. Remember, this is only preseason and means nothing. So these guys should be able to party until week one when they'll come running out of the tunnel (in NY) to play like the top 5 playoff teams this season. We know this because so many people are saying that they can make the playoffs. So nothin' to worry about. For what little entertainment value the team provides on the field, there sure is a high degree of it in the regional media and in forums.