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LOL OK genius, and 18 of 36 for 206 yards, a 44.4 rating, 0 TDs and 2 INTs is better than the above? Is it possible for anyone to be that dense? You know John, you seem to have it so out for me that no matter what I post, you obviously don't read it all and if you do you're just skimming it w/o understanding what it actually says to the extent that you make statements like the above. Funny tho, you're the poster-boy in that way for the average forum, which is precisely why people that don't attempt to sum-up players, teams, and units in one-sentence sound-bites don't post much. Honestly John! And please, you're like a dog grabbing onto my pant leg, move on please. Perhaps go get some counseling and anger-management psychiatric help that you seemingly desperately need. Only in your world is 82% and 67% worse than 50%, or 1 TD worse than 0 TDs, or 0 or 1 INTs worse than 2 INTs. LMAO

It is too soon. But it is safe to say that several GMs (if not HCs) future career's are directly tied to their choices as such. As usual, season two for them will begin to round out the picture as you imply. I do think that both fans and media are placing way too much emphasis on Allen's rushing prowess and not nearly enough on his passing prowess in terms of premature evaluations. If his running continues we may never find out how he develops as a passer. That's not what you want your franchise QB to be doing and running does not make up for below-average throwing. No doubt Allen can make all the throws, but there have been a number of such QBs that have come thru the NFL with similar physical gifts in terms of arm-strength, and those that could not effectively read defenses and utilize all of their receiving options were not long for this league. Right now, as was before the Draft, the only QB of that batch that I would have wagered on is Mayfield. I would bet that Darnold, Rosen, and Jackson never become franchise QBs however.

Dude should get fined for that if the NFL is serious about injuries and their lipservice! Alternate Headline: Journeyman backup DT weighing over 300 lbs. cheap-shots 200-lb. 33 year-old K after play is effectively over to prove what a tough-guy he is and to bolster his "highlight" reel. Apparently he's out to prove something after flopping as a day-2 pick several years ago. Sounds like a prime candidate for beating his wife and dog too. A real piece of work.

From a passing perspective he sure didn't look like anything close to a top-10 pick. He had a good rushing game yesterday, passing was horrible yesterday. Horrible. Mayfield, Jackson, Darnol, and Rosen all had better passing games this week, I don't hear anyone talking about Rosen, Jackson, or Darnold like they're talking about Allen. Question for you: which do you think is more pertinent to his future as a franchise QB? A, his passing game, or B, his rushing game? He went 18 of 36, 206 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 sacks, and a rating of 44.4 this week? Darnold with no more talent to work with than Allen for the most part, come to Rich and posted 16 of 24 for 170, 1 TD, 1 INT, no sacks, and a rating of 83.7 against what many claim here is a #1 D. The Jets have a horrible D. We supposedly have a good one if yards allowed are the only measure, and despite for example that we're at or near DFL in the NFL in red zone D. But A, he's not, cannot, nor should not, run for 100 (or so, before we get hung up on the number) be the team's leading rusher. Every fool knows that and McD has even said as much. My point all along is that if he's going to become a "franchise QB," it's NOT going to be because he can run the ball. Do you agree or disagree with that? Let me put it another way, that if he IS going to become a franchise QB, then it'll be because he's above-average in the passing game, particularly the short-medium game. How do we know this? Because there isn't one QB in the history of the modern NFL that is a franchise QB based upon his rushing. Furthermore, all that a rushing QB translates to is poor planning for having a decent rushing game. I took heat last year, in the few posts I made, suggesting that Shady was or would be near finished and that trading him prior to this season would have been wise. Well, here we are. Poor planning, again, in yet another form by McBeane. The question really is, why does Allen need to run so much? Answer, because the rushing game sucks moose balls. Why does it suck moose balls? I'll leave that one for you to piece together. Over the past there games he's been at 100+ rushing (back below against the Jags after a kneel-down) in each of those three games, yet, we're 1-2. Why? Does any of it have to do with Allen's passing game? It wasn't Allen's rushing that won games. It was his passing, or lack thereof, that cost us games, like yesterday. Meanwhile, Darnold, whom I have scant hopes for as being a future franchise QB, had a game-winning drive on the road. Yeah yeah, I know, we were only in it because Allen was a one-man show, true, but no matter how you slice it, his passing game was terrible. As I said, the reason why he is and has to run so much is because of other issues related to poor team-building and poor planning by McBeane. There's nothing that I can do to convince you of that, you'll either realize it or you won't. I mean seriously, are you going to accept 50% passsing, 0 TDs and 2 bad INTs every week? Are you? If he cannot begin at least throwing more TDs than INTs are you still going to suggest that he'll be a franchise QB? Over his last three games he's 44 for 88 ( perfect 50.0%), for an average of 199 yards, 1 TD, and 1.3 INTs with a rating of in the 60s. Isn't it his last three games (1-2) that everyone's raving about? Seriously? Please tell me that absolutely no one is impressed with his passing. Factor in that we've averaged a pathetic 20 points-per-game against two of the worst defenses in the league in Miami and the Jets. Seriously, who's impressed by this? And both times in losses. I know that people are impressed, buy why? Rushing? Seriously? And look, I agree, the rushing in isolation is indeed impressive, it's fun to watch, frankly there's not much other reason to even watch the games, but to use that as an indicator as to whether or not he'll ever become a franchise QB is absurd. That'll never hinge upon his rushing, it'll always come back to how good of a passer he is, and right now he's not good at passing. As to Allen, as of now he's a one-read QB whose completion % (after his return from injury, so I'm leaving out his worst games) is a perfect 50%, worse than Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, and Mayfield, and that includes those players' entire seasons, so frankly, it's not even an apples-to-apples comparison in Allen's favor. I have no idea why anyone is arguing this point. If Allen does not move on from being a 50% completion passer that can pitch on a pace for more than 16 TDs/20 INTs season, for a below 7 YPA (post injury), sorry, but he's not going to become a franchise QB, I don't care if he does run for 1,000 yards/season. And frankly, I'll be not only surprised, but shocked if he makes it three more years running like that w/o sustaining a very serious injury. Anyone that can't see that simply doesn't know football. He got beat up yesterday as it was and there were at least a couple of instances where he could have been seriously hurt. Otherwise, he ranks worse than Darnold (who just outplayed him, on the road, against a better D, and whose team is not better than Allen's), Rosen (whose team one of the few that is arguably worse than Allen's), Jackson's (also whose team is not notably better), and Mayfield (whose team was 0-16 last season) in just about every relevant statistical indicator out there. I'll leave out yards because he's been hurt, but he's worse in YPA, rating, Compl. %, TD/INT, and sack % (despite his mobility), and his short-medium pass numbers are bottom-dwelling. If that doesn't improve, do you expect him to continue to be our franchise QB? I don't. WAY too much is being made of his mobility and rushing, which will be short-lived if it continues, I'd put big money on it. Sorry, but there's not nor ever has been a QB in the modern era that has had such numbers that became a franchise QB, so those WILL HAVE TO IMPROVE if he's to become one. His rushing isn't going to matter. It's great for a dual threat, but if it's not part of a DUAL threat, then it's all but irrelevant in the modern NFL. And by the way, here's something else to chew on, his sack rate is currently one sack every 9.7 attempts, which is horrid. To add some perspective, Mayfield's sack rate is one sack every 17.3; Darnold's is 15.9; Rosen's is 11.8; Jackson's is 11.1. I mean has anyone even looked at this? That's Bledsoe-esque. Actually it's even worse, Bledsoe's career was 15.4. And frankly, the last threer games against Jax, Miami, and the Jets, which rank 28th, 31st, and 25th in generating sacks, actually pushed that rate up significantly. What it suggests, and confirms amidst other data, is that Allen struggle to read defenses. Again, name one QB that can't read Ds with the best of them that is a franchise QB. There aren't any. [Disclaimer: there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the above post that suggests whether or not he'll improve! It's purely an analysis as to where he is now . I have absolutely no idea whether he'll improve and if you're honest you'll say the same thing.]

I disagree with that last point. Jones is near the bottome of the stack league-wise in terms of catch-%, as starting WRs go which has absolutely nothing to do with QB or anything else. Other WRs have performed better here, including now both MacKenzie and Foster, neither of whom I have any long-term hopes for and neither should you. People throw that stuff, the stuff you cited, out in a defense of a player, in this case Jones, but on other teams with no more talent other WRs are doing much better. The bottom line is that Jones came from a program in which he benefitted from bookoo garbage time in a major spread system, in a second-rate conference. That's a fact. It simply doesn't translate well to the NFL. Here's the thing, he's also had plenty of garbage time here too and frankly, that's where most of his stats come from if you've looked at his splits. This team doesn't need players that put up in garbage time, it needs players that can put up when the game is winnable. Unfortunately Jones is not one of those players. Foster's just over a hundred yards shy of Jones in yards and has two starts to Jones' dozen this season. Unless Foster's playing with different QBs ... Jones may be fine as 3rd or 4th WR, but he's not a starting caliber WR. If you think he is then I have absolutely no doubt that you'll be changing your mind next season at the latest. He's not a "solution" as it were to our WR issues and there area any number of other WRs that I'd take in hindsight, not to mention foresight as well as I mentioned back then, from that same draft. He's not worth a 37th overall Hardy, also from EC, put up better and more NFL-like performances than Jones did there, and for a much longer period of time, and he's got a prototypical frame for an NFL WR, and he's got Ryan throwing to him and he's no better. There's a reason for that.

So we're boiling down how good QBs are based upon any random game then? Is that it? Just checking. If so, let me know. We'll go week by week then.

Make sure they see the entire thread, eh. ; ) What a baby you are. You toss out nonsense and when your arguments get proven to be just that, nonsense, you begin the crying. Whatever. My posts are civil with others.

It tells me that you're reaching for an excuse and ignoring facts. Everything must be factored in, but then since Darnold and Rosen are both posting better numbers in the passing game, are you ready to annoint them as good as Allen? Translation: In your world his peformance against one team ranked in the bottom quartile in a single game trumps his overall play on the season. Noted!

You said, and I quote, "his development is normal." It's not normal for the expecations of a 37th overall WR who was touted as a top prospect. Can't even believe you're arguing that. I dont' know, perhaps it's "normal" for a good chunk of fans that seem to have lost their sense of what good actually is. For a player that was rated as having been among the few best at his position in his draft, and considering that he ranks thus far near the bottom and well below even 4th and 5th WRs in terms of target catch %, as being closer to a bust than what he was expected to be. If that takes him three seasons, well, there are dozens of WRs, most taken well after him, who are in their first three or four seasons that are playing far better than Jones. That can ONLY mean that his development is far from normal for a player chosen merely 5 picks out of the 1st round.

Well, don't like it don't be a self-righteous hypocrytical jasckass that spouts off with inaccurate and opinionated fact-less points challenging FACTs. Really, you need to have that explained to you? Try being civil out of the gate and maybe I'll reciprocate. What, seems like you can dish it out just fine but when it comes back to you it's off to mommy's apron.

A very decent post! What you failed to mention is a point that many have made and issue with his running. His running is fine, what 's not fine are all the head-first run-finishes. THAT'S what's going to curtail his career, not his running. His running is great, fantastic, makes games worth watching even by itself. But he's gotta start protecting himself. This "tough guy" persona that players in the NFL have sometimes costs them injuries or a fumble trying to get an extra half-yard. You have to keep your career and the team in mind. Allen's not going to benefit anyone if he keeps up those head-first finishes, it WILL eventually land him on IR and likely more than once if he keeps doing it, and may even truncate his career. Run away, just be smart about it. But the running aside, he's never going to rise to the level of expectations if he doesn't become a better passer. Yes it's early, yes, there's promise too. But there is also a whole lotta room for concern. I mean he's not even beating out his draft peers in passsing. That's not a good indication. Also, let's not forget that Miami and the Jets have two bottom-quartile defense, and yet, with all of his rushing we've averaged 20 points-per-game. That's well below average. Fortunately he's got two games remaining against them and againstt Detroit and NE's below-average defenses too. So these forthcoming games should be good games for him to progress.

LMAO Apparently you ignored what I just wrote and all the stats behind it. But you're right, if Jones, despite his well-below average target% ratio, can somehow manage to log 150 receiving yards-per-game the rest of the season, then you may be onto something. Seriously, who thinks like that.

Don't be dense. It has absolutely NOHTING to do with whether I'm a fan of Allen or not. Although I will say, I LOVE his character, play, demeanor, EVERYTHING about the kid in the cliche'd ""intangible" category. But sorry, that doesn't answer the mail in terms of performance and his performance in the passing game so far on this season, is A, worse than that of any of his draft peers, NONE Of which cost their teams as much to get as him, and B, is bottom-dwelling on the season. Whether he's "here for a while" or not I can't control but also think will be determined by what I've said. Man, so many of you take exception to the most objective of comments. Frankly, I'd LOVE it if he were "here for a while," because LIKELY it would meant that he''s at least playing to average NFL standards as a passer, which would mean that his rushing would render him more than adequate for a QB regardless of whether he becomes a franchise QB or not. Now, dost that all add up to you to "my not being a fan of Allen?" Again, don't be dense.

Francis, LOL. Great line, great movie. But don't misconstrue my statements which are entirely based on sound analysis are emotionless. It's others get fired up because they don't align with their hopes and dreams that the "unlightening" occurs. Otherwise, well, OK, but I can't agree that "stud" play involves him passing to below average levels as week 13 QBs go. Sounds like your basing your "projection" on his rushing, which is unsustainable. Either way, stud play and only 17 points on 415 yards of offense? Those two picks were entirely his fault and were both horrific and costly. Again, not sure I see greatness based on that. Otherwise, I'm not "projecting" anything, I'm merely asserting what I presume to be common sense predicated upon common knowledge, namely that he'll have to improve his short-medium passing game iif he's going to be "talked about as one of the best QBs in the game" someday. I'd love for it to happen but what I'd love doesn't matter whatsoever. Neither does what you'd love to see or anyone else. What matters is how he progresses according to the level of play of other QBs that are spoken about as being "the best QBs in the game." Right? ... or can we make the proclamation right now predicated upon his current numbers, and here below using his best two games of the season? Right now, and based on his last two weeks of passing, and keeping in mind that both defenses are ranked in the bottom quartile, he’d be averaging on a weekly basis 13 of 26 (a perfect 50%), for 195 yards, have 24 TDs and 16 INTs on the season, a rating of about 80, and a YPA of 7.50 which is perfectly average this season. I mean does that constitute "best QB" caliber play? It doesn't in my book, I don't know, maybe as Bills fans some people are so downtrodden about our QB history that even average has become superlative, I can't speak for everyone, but that sure seems to be the case based on some posts I'm reading and have read. So no, I cannot share your current enthusiasm without a significant bump in his passing performance, particularly in the short-medium area, when his numbers as such don’t even rank even average for those weeks. I’m sorry, I wish I could, but based on that, no, can’t agree. There's hope, but as I see it, there has to be a very significant improvement in his passing game in order for that to be the case. I'm pretty sure that when McBeane drafted him by trading all those picks to get him, "their guy," that they didn't have 1-1/2 TDs/game in mind and 24 TDs/season. Let's see how he finishes the season. He's got four games left, not one of which is against a team with anything but a below-average defense. If he can't at least keep up this pasce then I definitely don't see it based on this season. As I've stated, next season will be the tell-tale, not only for him, but for McBeane. No one's going to be sitting still with another season like this one.

OK, great then, so we can get the "rushing's going bail him out" out of the picture then, right? ... for purposes of discussion that is? Or not? Secondly, I don't believe that I ever said anything about anyone's first season. I DID SAY, again, go re-read it, that if Allner WERE EVER TO become a franchise QB that he'd have to vastly improve his short-medium game. Not sure what that has to do with anyone's (Newton's, Wilson's, etc.) "starting out" since both have far better short-medium passing games than Allen presently has despite the nothing that whether Newton is a franchise QB or not is entirely debatable. They both improved in that way to become as good as they are whatever that level is. And frankly, look at both of their rookie passing splits, BOTH were signifcantly better than Allen's. So I'm not quite sure what your argument is here. If we're going on directd head-to-head Allen vs. Wilson & Newton in their rookie seasons, then Allen doesn't stack up. That's pretty much my point, hence my continual statements that if Allen's EVER going to become a franchise QB then that area of his game will need to improve. Frankly, I can't believe that ANYONE is even arguing that point here yet there are several that are. That's the simplest of NFL concepts.

For a 2nd-round pick taken 37th overall he should have "come around" last season. He's still very below average in target% catches. He also ranks behind 5 WRs drafted well after him that are playing much better than he is in most ways. There are even a few backups that have posted numbers close to Jones' that don't even start. If he were anything close to what most thought then he should be posting 1,000 this season and he has no shot at that. He had a good game yesterday maybe, but he's posted only four games in both seasons of over 60 yards and only 3 games with more than 4 receptions, and none of those games were against good defenses. The Jets and Miami have two of the worst defenses.

His PASSING numbers are worse than every QB you just mentioned. That's a FACT. Not sure how to debate that. You can render excuses etc., but at the end of the day those are the current numbers. He also had two horrendous INTs yesterday that were both his fault. The ONLY reason he "looks" better is due to his rushing. His passing yardage ranked 17th yesterday, his rating ranked 25th. It is what it is.,, And if you think he slid every time, then you obviously didn't see all the plays. Watch his every-play video. If you want I can put the time marks in there for you to see it in case you miss it. That's completely incorrect. Also, your implication that he may not have taken a big hit yesterday, although I know he took a couple of hits, is what, indicative that he'll never take any or that if he keeps going head-first that he'll never get hurt? Is that what we're all to understand here? If so, curious what basis you have for arguing as such? The Bills will be sitting pretty when Allen becomes among the top-15, at least, in short-medium passing. If he cannot achieve that, then we wont' be sitting pretty. There isn't a team in the league, currently or in the recent modern past, that has "sat pretty" offensively speaking with a QB that has posted merely average or below-average short-medium passing numbers. Not one. But hey, maybe we'll be the first. Is that you're hope?

LOL Of course you were. Perhaps you can work into your "franchise QBs that run" analysis an analysis as to how they are as passers. Russell Wilson's passing game is among the best in the league in the short-medium area. Newton's is squarely average and his seasonal performances highly inconsistent, therefore rendering him NOT a franchise QB, at least rendering it debatable at best, and if there's a debate, then it's likely not the case, at least not to the levels of certainty. Newton's averaged a mere 22 passing TDs/season as a passer which is below average. He's no better than average in the playoffs. His TD/INT ratio isn't even 2:1 whereas Wilson's is over 3:1. There's a huge contingent of Carolina fans that are not satisfied with Newton. He's having a good season this year, but it's only his second good passing season in 8 seasons, hardly what one expects from a franchise QB. Even with a good season this year he's still ranked 10th in rating behind Fitzpatrick and ahead of no franchise QBs that are having a good season. As well, the Panthers at last check are 6-6, a perfect .500 with no indication that they're likely to even make the playoffs. Might be a good idea to read up and research before blindly assailing arguments, no? Or has the NFL regressed to the level of the '70s Oklahoma Wishbone while we all had our backs turned. HELLO, 2018, the NFL is a passing league. Franchise QBs, at least by my definition, don't average barely over 1 TD/game in post-season play. Maybe that qualities as you see it, but if Allen developed into a QB that could only throw 1 TD/game in the playoffs, would you be happy? I know I wouldn't be. Would you see that as "getting the job done?" I wouldn't. I mean everyone's raving about his 234 yards rushing in the last two games, which if we project over 16 games is 1,872 yards, despite the notion that he's averaged 52/start. Even so, the team has still averaged a mere 20 ppg and is 1-1. So if the rushing were all that great then I don't see how or why that would be the case, particularly against teams ranked 23rd and 29th in defense. Granted, maybe he can keep up the pace of running 100-yards per game and absolutely SHATTER ALL existing NFL paradigms. Maybe I'm being entirely unrealistic and need a dose of blind homerism. Do you think that the odds of that are high tho? Or do you think that perhaps either opposing defenses, or worse yet, serious injuries, will prevent Allen from posting close to 2,000 rushing yards, OJ-like rushing numbers with a far better YPC, every season? I don't know, call me crazy, but somehow I see destiny intervening to prevent that from occuring. Because when he doesn't run like that there's absolutely nothing impressive about his passing other than on a spot basis once or twice a game. Ergo, he, just like as I've asserted, will have to master the short-medium passing game, just like every franchise QB has, in order to become one. If I thought otherwise I'd be buying Powerball tickets daily with expectations of winning the Powerball every week. Don't quite your day job to become a polemicisdt. Weak! I think the one that needs to get over himself is you.

Yeah, but he's showing more potential than Tryod, don't you think? I mean his running ability alone appears, ironically, to be better than Tyrod's. I simply don't think he'll last beyond the 2020 season if he keeps running like that despite how his passing game shapes up. (or conversely not) He really needs to start sliding once he's past the 1st-down. I don't like him exposing himself like that. His passing game is entirely a different matter. We'll have a far better indicator as to that after next season.

LOL I'd love to hear one of those OPONIANS. What, do you live here? It's funny, arguments always seem to boil down to "stalking," (in your case), chants of "trolling," cheap name-calling, and other egotistically oriented posts that suggest both anger-management as well as inabilities to cope with being wrong on the parts of people that not only have run out of whatever basis they're arguing on, but also on entirely refuted arguments. And it's funny, I was thinking the same on the Stalking part of it given the repetitive completely lacking in much veracity attacks you've launched against the facts that I've laid out.

And frankly, talking about not being complex, neither is going to Allen's stats and splits to see where he's performing and where he isn't. His behind the LoS passes are his best. That would be his "short-game," or at least a big part of it, for you. Having said that, it's still not even average by NFL QB standards. Funny thing tho, everyone got all hopped up over Allen's deep arm when his deep-game isn't very good at all. He's 6 of 29 (20.7%) for 250 yards, 1 TD for throws that are thrown over 20 yards. 2 of 12 over 30, and 1 of 8 over 40. See, people that understand football from having watched it for decades, should understand that teams simply aren't built around deep-games. The deep-ball is good to have in an arsenal, but almost no QBs have Allen's arm-strength, but lo-and-behold they still win Super Bowls. Now how can that possibly be. I know, you'll have that hamster running on that wheel in your head for a while trying to piece that one together. And BTW, that's really not far off the mark for deep-throws, even by the best QBs. Rodgers is 21 of 59 (35.6%) for 834 and 5 TDs, he's 7 of 20 over 30, and 3 of 5 over 40. Brady is 9 of 35 (25.7%) for 297 and 2 TDs, 4 of 17 over 30, and 0 for 6 over 40, far more in line with Allen's numbers. The PRIMARY different between them and Allen, and the rest of the true franchise QBs and Allen, is that their short-medium numbers are quite signficantly higher. But you know all of that in your condescension, didn't you? You're taken a look at all of that and understood it before commenting and repeatedly telling me that I don't know as much as I think I do and otherwise implying that I know very little and that my takes, which are ALL based on thorough analyses, right? Lastly, it once again goes to show that this "deep-arm" stuff is overrated, entirely. And note, I didn't say useless, what DID I say? I said OVERRATED, which is OBVIOUSLY the case since you can run the same analyses for all of the franchise QBs and come up with similar. On a side note, Allen's numbers are the worst of ALL the major QBs selected in the 2018 Draft. He's got worse completion %, Rating, TD/INT ratio, YPA, and Rating than Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, and even Jackson. He only has a better YPA than Rosen by about a quarter of a yard. And it's a very difficult argument to suggest that any of those QBs have notably better circumstances when three of those four teams are a combined 10-25-1 and when not one of those teams ranks above-average in offense. In FACT, the Jets rank 30th in yardage offense, we rank 31st, and the Cards rank 32nd. As I've said and continue to maintain, Allen's success in this league, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER QB, WILL BE fully determined by how well he masters the short-medium game. Right now it's well below average and not significantly better than ANY of his draft peers, NONE OF WHOM anyone is raving about in terms of their passing games. If that doesn't improve then he's not going to be a franchise QB in Buffalo. Now, that's an awful lot of actual FACTS and true DATA that no doubt you've already researched independently before opening your pie-hole, right? THAT (along with the associated lengthy history of NFL QB play) is what I'm basing my assessments on. YOU on the other hand are using ego to launch into your ridiculously oversimplified, and clearly WRONG arguments. So if you don't mind, please get off my pant-leg. Otherwise, enjoy your over-simplified world of narrative driven gibberish.

Sure you can, UNLESS, you want to boil down a game to two passes and use those as an indication of a good game. The balance of his stats SUCKED in that game. So OK, I realize that you're not the deepest thinker in general, but the antithesis of your statement is that if a QB blows on 90% of his passing plays generally speaking, but has two big plays in a game, he's good. OK, as I've said, everyone's entitled to their opinion. There isn't a franchise QB that plays like that though. Frankly, I think it's laughable that anyone would consider being good on a mere two or three passes/game, but hey, that's what makes forums so much fun to read. The critique of Allen by a Football Outsiders guy said it best about Allen's passing game, he said; "The conundrum with Allen is that these flashes -- the moments of pure brilliance -- come so few and far between. Allen dazzles once or twice a game with a play that feels impossible, only to look like a late-round pick for the remainder of his appearance." That's exactly how that game went. This past game was much better and his best of the season easily, IMO anyway, despite having had 2 INTs, both pretty much his fault. He's showing promise, but he's also going to get killed running like that. It's only a matter of time before he gets clocked by a large LB moving at full tilt. I don't see his career lasting more than a few years with him running like that and finishing runs head-first at the rate that he does. Sooner or later teams are going to start adjusting to that defensively. I really hope that the staff works that out post-haste.

I stated a fact whereas you stated an opinion. It's a FACT that there isn't a franchise QB in the league that has not mastered the short-medium game. It's your OPINION that his short-game is very fixable and that his medium passing accuracy is very good. Apparently things like that are a bit too complex for you. I'll make an active effort not to challenge you anymore. Don't want to push you over the top or anything.

I just watched the "every play" video for Allen and thought that he had at least average time on quite a few passes. Sometimes I think that fans seem to think that 5 or 6 seconds in the pocket is reasonable when the league average is always around 3. Either way, I had on plays that he seemed to have at least a reasonable amount of time him going 17 of 26 for about 180 yards (plus/minus a few), for 1 TD and 2 INTs. He had more than enough time on both INT plays to not throw an INT tho. He seems to run the moment that a play seems to break down or he doesn't hit his first option. As well, some of those plays were plays that were designed quick passes, usually in the flats or on fades, etc. It's encouraging, but as I always maintain, there is not a franchise QB out there that does not butter his bread on the short-medium throws. In this game his deep-throws were not reliable. The OL isn't the best, obviously, but he had decent time in this game.

Really? Re-read my posts. It's quite simple, pretty much my singular take is that Allen's short-medium game will end up determining how good he is, just like it does with EVERY QB, particularly franchise QB. Not really all that complex, is it. Related to that I merely pointed out the FACT that his short-medium game this past week was far from average much less stellar. Again, pretty reasonable. Not sure I see any reason why so many of you seem to take this personally.