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I agree that NO QB in this draft is worth the #8 pick. Some are saying go BPA and move back into the 1st round... But losing draft picks is counter productive. My thoughts are to move down as far as possible. I don't care if we can only move 2 spots... Then we go from there with an extra 2nd or 3rd. That said... I would consider Nassib... But not for all the obvious reasons (same coaches, same offense, etc.). He was raw 3 years ago... He's shown tremendous growth over those 3 years... And if last season is any indicator, his growth is on an exponential scale. If that continues for 1 or 2 more seasons, he could, quite possibly, become elite in the NFL. Hell... Drafting is a crap shoot anyway.

major: "Dude! Wow! Uhhmmm... What do you think about the Bills?" Former Bills player: "Why are you a fan?" (translation... "I'm not a Bills fan. Why the !@#$ are you asking me?!")

http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contr.../buffalo-bills Mark Anderson Defensive Lineman 3/21/2012: Signed a four-year, $19.5 million contract. The deal contains $8 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus and all of Anderson's first-year salary. Another $8 million is available through incentives. Anderson is eligible for annual $100,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2.4 million (+ $1.5 million option bonus), 2014: $3.9 million, 2015: $4.9 million, 2016: Free Agent Nick Barnett Linebacker 7/31/2011: Signed a three-year, $11.5 million contract. The deal contains $6 million guaranteed, including a $1.5 million signing bonus, an initial roster bonus of $1 million, all of Barnett's first-year base salary, and $1.5 million of his second-year salary. 2013: $3.5 million, 2014: Free Agent Nigel Bradham Linebacker 5/10/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.564 million contract. The deal included a $464,260 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent Colin Brown Tackle 2013: Restricted Free Agent Zach Brown Running Back 12/31/2012: Signed a two-year, $900,000 contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Corbin Bryant Defensive Lineman 12/31/2012: Signed a two-year, $900,000 contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Crezdon Butler Defensive Back 11/7/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.665 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent Jairus Byrd Defensive Back 2013: Free Agent Alex Carrington Defensive Lineman 7/19/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.654 million contract. The deal included an $864,000 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent Mike Caussin Tight End 2013: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Scott Chandler Tight End 3/8/2012: Signed a two-year, $5.45 million contract. The deal includes $1.25 million guaranteed. 2013: $2.05 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus), 2014: Free Agent Tashard Choice Running Back 2013: Free Agent Marcell Dareus Defensive Lineman 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $20.407 million contract. The deal is fully guaranteed, including a $13.342 million signing bonus. 2013: $2,230,210, 2014: $3,157,814, 2014: Free Agent Dorin Dickerson Tight End 2013: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Marcus Easley Wide Receiver 11/6/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.6 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $730,000, 2015: Free Agent Kevin Elliott Wide Receiver 12/28/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent Ryan Fitzpatrick Quarterback 10/28/2011: Signed a seven-year, $62.195 million contract. The deal contains $24 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus. An annual $200,000 workout bonus is available throughout the contract's life. 2013: $4.25 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2014: $4.35 million (+ $3 million roster bonus), 2015: $7.2 million, 2016: $8.75 million, 2017: $9.45 million, 2018: Free Agent Jarron Gilbert Defensive Lineman 12/31/2012: Signed a two-year, $1.36 million contract. 2013: $630,000, 2014: $730,000, 2015: Free Agent Stephon Gilmore Defensive Back 5/17/2012: Signed a four-year, $12.084 million contract. The deal is fully guaranteed, including a $7.228 million signing bonus. 2013: $939,280, 2014: $1,488,559, 2015: $2,037,839, 2016: Free Agent Cordy Glenn Tackle 5/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $4.865 million contract. The deal contains $2.92 million guaranteed -- a $1.978 million signing bonus and Glenn's 2012-2013 base salaries. 2013: $561,145, 2014: $782,289, 2015: $1,003,434, 2016: Free Agent T.J. Graham Wide Receiver 7/9/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.811 million contract. The deal included a $671,248 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $580,000, 2015: $690,000, 2016: Free Agent Adam Grant Tackle 12/31/2012: Signed a two-year, $900,000 contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Chris Hairston Tackle 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.456 million contract. The deal included a $415,900 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent T.J. Heath Defensive Back 12/5/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.665 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent Chris Hogan Wide Receiver 12/18/2012: Signed a two-year, $870,000 contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Fred Jackson Running Back 5/7/2012: Signed a three-year, $10.805 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus. Another $2.3 million is available through incentives based on stats, Pro Bowls, and playoff berths. Jackson is eligible for annual $100,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $2.15 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus due in March + $150,000 in per-game roster bonuses), 2014: $2.45 million (+ $93,750 in per-game roster bonuses), 2015: Free Agent Tarvaris Jackson Quarterback 2013: Free Agent Stevie Johnson Wide Receiver 3/5/2012: Signed a five-year, $36.25 million contract. The deal contains $18.05 million guaranteed, including an $8.5 million signing bonus, initial workout bonus of $100,000, and all of Johnson's first-year base salary. Johnson is eligible for annual offseason workout bonuses of $275,000 in years two through five. 2013: $2.55 million (+ $4.5 million option bonus), 2014: $3.65 million (+ $1.75 million roster bonus), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $250,000 roster bonus), 2016: $5.85 million, 2017: Free Agent Spencer Johnson Defensive Lineman 2013: Free Agent Donald Jones Wide Receiver 2013: Restricted Free Agent Chris Kelsay Defensive Lineman 9/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $28.2 million contract. The deal contains $11 million in bonus money. 2013: $3.725 million, 2014: $3.745 million, 2015: Free Agent Andy Levitre Guard 2013: Free Agent Rian Lindell Place Kicker 2/3/2012: Signed a four-year, $11 million contract. The deal contains $3.6 million in bonus money. 2013-2014: $2.1 million, 2015: $2.2 million, 2016: Free Agent Greg Lloyd Linebacker 12/18/2012: Signed a two-year, $945,000 contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Ruvell Martin Wide Receiver 2013: Free Agent Terrence McGee Defensive Back 2/22/2012: Signed a two-year, $4.03 million contract. The deal included a $300,000 signing bonus. 2013: $1.75 million (+ $350,000 roster bonus), 2014: Free Agent Corey McIntyre Running Back 2013: Free Agent Leodis McKelvin Defensive Back 2013: Free Agent Shawne Merriman Defensive Lineman 2013: Free Agent Arthur Moats Linebacker 6/10/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.902 million contract. The deal contains $112,000 guaranteed. Another $828,000 is available through incentives. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent Kyle Moore Defensive Lineman 2013: Free Agent Kirk Morrison Linebacker 2013: Free Agent David Nelson Wide Receiver 2013: Restricted Free Agent Erik Pears Tackle 12/13/2011: Signed a four-year, $9.8 million contract. The deal contains $3.85 million guaranteed, including a $2.2 million signing bonus. An annual $50,000 workout bonus is available throughout the life of the deal. 2013: $2.1 million (+ $100,000 roster bonus), 2014: $2.75 million (+ $100,000 roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent Shawn Powell Punter 9/25/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.443 million contract. The deal included a $3,000 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent Chad Rinehart Guard 2013: Free Agent Justin Rogers Defensive Back 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,107,500 contract. The deal included a $67,500 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent Jay Ross Defensive Lineman 12/11/2012: Signed a two-year, $870,000 contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Garrison Sanborn Linebacker 1/29/2012: Signed a three-year, $3.140 million contract. The deal included a $530,000 signing bonus. Another $70,000 is available through incentives. 2013: $885,000, 2014: $895,000, 2015: Free Agent Zebrie Sanders Tackle 5/10/2012: Signed a four-year, $2,298,500 contract. The deal included a $198,500 signing bonus. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent Chris Scott Tackle 12/6/2012: Signed a two-year, $1.17 million contract. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Free Agent Bryan Scott Linebacker 2013: Free Agent Da'Norris Searcy Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,524,424 contract. The deal included a $484,424 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent Kelvin Sheppard Linebacker 7/30/2011: Signed four-year, $3 million contract. The deal included a $690,832 signing bonus. A $30,000 workout bonus is available annually. 2013: $614,243, 2014: $749,925, 2015: Free Agent Mana Silva Defensive Back 11/9/2012: Signed a two-year, $1.02 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent Brian Smith Linebacker 12/31/2012: Signed a two-year, $900,000 contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: Exclusive Rights Free Agent Brad Smith Wide Receiver 7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $15 million contract. The deal included a $2 million signing bonus. 2013: $2.75 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2014: $3 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent Lee Smith Tight End 7/27/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,298,282 contract. The deal included a $171,480 signing bonus. 2013: $583,934, 2014: $688,401, 2015: Free Agent David Snow Center 10/19/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent C.J. Spiller Running Back 8/6/2010: Signed a six-year, $39.3 million contract. The deal includes $20.8 million guaranteed. Another $12.5 million is available through incentives, roughly $12 million of which are available in the final year. An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available throughout the life of the deal. 2013: $1,300,834, 2014: $1,748,750, 2015: $2,196,663, 2016: Free Agent Tyler Thigpen Quarterback 2013: Free Agent Torell Troup Defensive Lineman 7/28/2010: Signed a four-year, $4.61 million contract. The deal contains $2.6 million guaranteed. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent Kraig Urbik Guard 12/17/2012: Signed a five-year, $16.26 million contract. 2013: $2.05 million, 2014: $2.275 million, 2015: $2.575 million, 2016: $2.9 million, 2017: Free Agent Thomas Welch Guard 11/7/2012: Signed a two-year, $1.17 million contract. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Free Agent Chris White Linebacker 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.16 million contract. The deal included a $120,600 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent Keith Williams Guard 12/5/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent Mario Williams Defensive Lineman 3/15/2012: Signed a six-year, $96 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $19 million signing bonus and all of Williams' 2012 and 2013 base salaries. Another $4 million is available through incentives. Annual $500,000 offseason workout bonuses are available in years two through six. 2013: $6.5 million (+ $8 million option bonus), 2014: $1.9 million (+ $10.6 million roster bonus), 2015: $12.1 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2016: $11.5 million (+ $2.5 million roster bonus), 2017: $11.4 million (+ $3.5 million roster bonus), 2018: Free Agent Kyle Williams Defensive Lineman 8/26/2011: Signed a six-year, $33.555 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $4.75 million signing bonus and both of Williams' first- and second-year base salaries. Another $5.5 million is available through incentives. 2013: $3.855 million (+ $1 million roster bonus), 2014: $4.35 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2015: $4.1 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2016: $7 million, 2017: Free Agent Aaron Williams Defensive Back 7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $5.2 million contract. The deal included a $2.32 million signing bonus. 2013: $853,104, 2014: $1,092,156, 2015: Free Agent George Wilson Defensive Back 3/1/2011: Signed a three-year, $7.05 million contract. The deal contains a $2 million signing bonus and an annual $25,000 workout bonus. 2013: $2.45 million, 2014: Free Agent Eric Wood Center 7/28/2009: Signed a five-year, $9.335 million contract. The deal includes $6.575 million guaranteed. Another $3 million is available through incentives. An additional $25,000 workout bonus is available each year. 2013: $925,000, 2014: Free Agent Sam Young Tackle 7/14/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.9005 million contract. The deal included a $110,500 signing bonus. 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent

Sorry... I didn't keep track of who was claiming what. Hope I didn't confuse the issue.

Sorry dude... That math ain't working in your favor. Bottom line... We can save around $5M against 2013 cap... But it will cost about $5M more in 2014.

You're welcome... Her're the details... http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3240/ryan-fitzpatrick

Here's a link that could help with understanding he June 1st designation. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/35825/wise-accounting-give-panthers-cap-room Of course, ya'll can ignore these posts and keep right on bickering if you like.

I believe the new June 1st designation is the problem here... Keeping Fitz will cost $10.45M against the 2013 cap. Cutting him before June 1st will cost $10M against the 2013 cap. That's obviously only a $,45 M savings against the 2013 cap... And $7.5M actual cash savings. However, the June 1st designation allows the Bills to release him and not pay his $3M roster bonus (plus workout bonus). While, at the same time, spread out the dead cap money over the next 2 seasons. That equals $4.45M against the 2013 cap and the same against the 2014 cap. The Cash savings is the same regardless. Hope this helps.

I'm really liking these 2 as deep middle seam guys. Once you get the FS wrapped up in that, the deep side routes open up. Fitz won't need to drop the ball over the CB head and in front of the FS.

Well... I wasn't saying Kelsay is (not was) better... But I am now! And guess who else is better!!! Keith Ellison last 3 seasons... 28 G's, 0 SK's, 5 PD's, 1 FR, 151 T's, 5.4 T's/G Sean Merriman last 3 seasons... 18 G's, 4 SK's, 0 PD's, 0 FR's, 44 T, 2.4 T's/G Conclusion... While Merriman may have been superior in his 1st 3 seasons due to his sack count and maybe passes defended also (He averaged just 4.4 tackles/game in those years), he has clearly not been as good since his knee injury as the back-up Keith Ellison. It takes more than name recognition to play in this league. Injuries can and do end a players production.

Outside of his sack numbers for his 1st 3 years... His other stats are mediocre at best. He's only averaged 3.9 tackles per game in his career... His best season for tackles (2007), he averaged just 4.5 tackles per game. Now... you wanna compare those numbers to our admittedly putrid LB's? Kelsay's avereaged the same 3.9 tackles per game over his career... He's averaging 6 tackles per game this season!

What kinda crap is that? I made no pretense as it being anything other than what it is... Thus "The Gailey Job Interview". I guess I should apologize to any who aren't smart enough to get that... I coulda dumbed it up a bit more.

LOL... I love the polar illustration. It really exemplifies how far we've come in attitude!

I believe we should have an ongoing thread of Gaileyisms. I'll start with, what I like to call "The Gailey Job Interview"... "I believe in toughness and discipline." "This is a tough game for tough people." "We have not been where we needed to be in the last few years, and we gotta get back there. And I only know one way to accomplish that, and that's through hard work." "I've been around enough winning teams and enough winning programs, that when I walk on the field I expect to win... I don't just hope to win... I expect to win."

I think he's much more forthcoming in answering questions and keeping Bills fans informed. The previous seasons he seemed to be way less committal on decisions as well. I'm hoping it's a sign of change... But it's probably just desperation on his part.