Red Squirrel

I think it is extremely obvious why women don't immediately report sexual assaults and it is idiotic to assume innocence or guilt based solely on how long they waited to report.

7 pages in and I'm shocked it seems like I'm the only one who remembers this was rumored all the way back when he was drafted. IIRC, he left Columbia and went to a CC in Los Angeles for a year, which seemed an extremely odd thing to do for someone who got into an Ivy. The implication was that Columbia told him to leave to let things cool off, and then took him back. I have a vague recollection that this rumor was pervasive enough that Wiley addressed it at some point when he was playing for the Bills. I would not swear by that, but I absolutely remember that this was talked about either on this board or somewhere else I interacted with Bills fans in the mid 90s. Anyway, I only bring this up because I think the idea that this was pulled out of nowhere by his accusers after 30 years isn't entirely accurate. I believe he deserves due process and a presumption of innocence, but I think something that may wind up happening is these women will have people they were close to testify that they were told *when it happened*. That is likely to be the secondary evidence. And it also isn't much of a stretch of the imagination to think that one of these confidants talking about it is how it wound up being discussed by Bills fans 30 years ago.

I'm pretty sure I saw this in Houston. Not 100% sure because I might have seen it somewhere else on line.

She's pretty good, but how did we get to a place where a person can post a video mirrored (backwards) and nobody even seems to notice anymore?

I suspect the intention on the first drop back that lost 30 yards was the QB was supposed to chuck the ball high and far out of bounds like he did on 4th down, but the defense got through so quick he couldn't set up to throw so he ate it. If I'm wrong about that it just makes the whole sequence look that much worse. The coach has accomplished a lot in 2 years, but this was just a chicken ***** plan. Trust your players and play to win.

There's another point I'd like to make here that may be helpful: Spectrum in my area, the Mid-Hudson Valley, has the two ABCs and CBSs, but only the NYC one is in HD when you're using the box. However, Spectrum's streaming app has both WRGB and WTEN in HD.

Well, now I feel stupid. I get two ABCs, one from NYC and one from Albany, and it never occurred to me to check the Albany one, but I did and it's working. Thanks for explaining this!

He doesn't look anywhere near as bad as the way you described him.

I just learned Giants Stadium had a grass surface for three years. What's stranger than that is I lived in the NYC market in 2002 and my NFL TV "options" included a game on that field every week. Then again, I didn't remember somebody named Eddie Robinson once played for the Bills.

You could have put all the QBs Bob caught TDs from in this clip in generic uniforms with the same number and Plunkett would still stick out like a sore thumb. Always looked like he was heaving a grenade.

This is eerily close to what I did that day; I stomped over to the TV after that score and yanked the stand really hard and tore the coax cable right off of the connector. We got it rigged up well enough that I got to watch the end of that miserable game, and I got called a dumbass several times that night.

The momentum shift was so bizarre it made me forget the 1st half🙃

I had a complete copy of this game years ago and it was like watching a snuff film. This was one week after the Miracle at the Meadowlands and it SHOWED. The Giants had no interest in even being there, much less competing. And when you think about it, it was 20% of Miller's season. So when we talk about him not doing much after 1978, we need to remember he didn't accomplish a whole lot *during* that season. Aside from this one game, against a team that seemed to be trying to get it's coach fired.

Thanks for this a LOT! Now if anyone can find the @Jets game from that season...

I have to admit my first thought when I saw the title of this thread was, "Wait a minute... they knew Deshaun Watson was a sex pest way back then and let him play anyway?"