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And here they are drafting first overall. Shocking..

Washington is in trouble. Taking 18 plays and half the 1st quarter just to settle for a FG was a stupid decision, especially since they'd been converting their 4th downs.

WRT Wagner, not only does he pass the eye test but the empirical evidence is there, as well.

It's still very uncommon.

Is this actually meant to be serious? Nobody waits until the season is over to hire a coach. The new hire has to put together a staff and the scouting combine starts just two and a half weeks after the Super Bowl.

@Gugny @Another Fan Sorry, I completely respect your opinions but we're going to agree to disagree on this one. He absolutely belongs. 1) He struck out a third of all batters he faced which is the highest strikeout rate of any pitcher with at least 900 innings. There have been 1,173 pitchers who have thrown 900 innings in the Live Ball Era (since 1920). He ranks: - First in batting average allowed (.187; Nolan Ryan is second and Sandy Koufax third). - First in strikeout percentage (33.2%; Jacob deGrom is second). - Second in WHIP (0.994; deGrom is first). - Second in OBP allowed (.262; deGrom is first). - Second in OPS allowed (.558; Mariano Rivera is first). - Third in lowest slugging (.296; Rivera is first and J.R. Richard second). 2) He allowed hits and baserunners less often than most pitchers. He was historically difficult to hit and also did it in the highest leverage situations until the end of his career. 3) His 2.31 ERA and 0.994 WHIP are the best for a southpaw in the Live Ball Era. 4) He was a seven-time All-Star. It took him 10 years because, among other things, his career innings total is the lowest among Hall of Fame relievers, he faced more competition from other closers with 600-plus saves, like Mariano Rivera and Trevor Hoffman, and he wasn't great in the post-season.

They may be right. With Rapp out, does anybody really think that KC won't be taking at least a few deep shots over the Bills' secondary? The safety position has to be a real concern for the Bills. If the front four can't make Mahomes uncomfortable, it could be a long day.

@Gugny @SinceThe70s Wagner definitely deserved to be elected. It was long overdue, IMO. It's a shame that they made him wait until his very last year of eligibility, but better late than never.

Yes, back on the first page of the thread. He also voiced 'Salem The Cat' on 'Sabrina The Teenage Witch', wrote for and acted in 'The King of Queens' and was a director and producer for the sitcom 'Mom'. That's just the tip of the iceberg. He has a very impressive Hollywood resume.

#83 is indeed DE Sherman White. The other player is CB Doug Greene (#21). He didn't play long for the Bills...just the 1979 & 1980 seasons.

Probably the 24th pick of the 2nd Round (mid-50s)?

If free agency doesn't work out for him, he can always become a groundskeeper. He learned more about Fescues tonight than he ever thought possible.

They're a tough out for sure.

Nine LA sacks ties an NFL record. Woof, Minny. Woof.

The chasm of emotion doesn't get much bigger for a fan base than going 14-3 and then witnessing the last two games. What a long, sad, & angry offseason they're about to start.

They're suckling from the teat of defeat.

For guys who played and/or coached most of their lives, it's really amazing the number of them who are so obtuse and neither have any situational awareness nor understanding of analytics.

My brother-in-law passed away last March and was a huge Vikings fan from North Dakota. I'm glad he didn't have to endure Minnesota's last two games.

Lot of phantom calls taking place. They must feel right at home with Darnold's ghosts...

Pretty soon they'll be running for the bus...

Can Minnesota score quickly and make this interesting? They are running out of possessions.

He was buried on some bad Detroit teams. He never fully got the credit he deserved, IMO. He's a baller.

They heard you.

Looks like that devastation by the Lions derailed the Vikes season and left their psyche in tatters. They are a shell of the team that headed into that division decider against Detroit.