CodeMonkey

Yowza, give your keys to someone before each game man

Are you saying there are no west coast ivory tower jackoffs?

Yeah like I said, only he knows for sure and even if he raped her he isn't going to say that. Winds up being scumbag-he said, drunken-she said. I do feel sorry for the girl, she got taken advantage of in a disgusting way. I hope she (and other girls reading the story) can learn from it.

Bought her shots, most likely though I doubt he held her nose and poured them down her throat against her will. At some point people have to take responsibility for their own actions. Even 20 year olds (in several bars illegally mind you). "some sort of sexual contact with her" I am unaware of any evidence of this. That night the girl said she didn't remember if they had sex or not. The next morning was a different story I guess. Only 1 person knows for sure and he isn't talking. Infer what you want but no one is getting convicted of anything in the US based on this, much less rape. Waste of skin, clearly true.

One reason I gave up seasons. Not that specifically to me, but I've seen people puked on by raging drunken !@#$s. It just got way past the point of having a good time there. At least for me.

Well that was Kelly's lawyers take on the events. Hers was obviously different. But if you believe PigBen is a rapist just because the girl said so the next day, then you would have to say Kelly was guilty of the assault as well. Granted, there were probably lots of witnesses not related to Kelly that could set the record straight in his case, but you get my point about accused meaning guilty. Sometimes people try to scam this way to make some bucks or for some other reason.

Well, actually, if you believe it ... Jim Kelly being sued by woman for assault

Yes, the "true fans" will not like this at all.

Yeah that has to be a pretty freaking thankless job. There are far too many drunken !@#$s that need to be punched in the face there on any given Sunday for me to hold onto that job for long. I give your GF credit.

I can see it now ... a fat dude dressed in drag holding up a sign "Ben ... I'm 20, DTF and wasted out of my mind ... meet me in the bathroom"

Well, actually, there are combo Pizza Hut and Taco Bell joints, so maybe

I think if a sports team ... any sports team, wants a stadium, they should pay for it themselves. Having it paid for or even subsidized by government is a monumental waste of taxpayer money.

Agreed. But being a complete knucklehead is enough to get you a 4 to 6 game suspension from King Roger!

You lost me right there bud.

This post is probably the most accurate in this thread ... except its spelled Kool-Aid

Forced himself? Ugh. A lot of embellishment going on with this story. That night the girl was so wasted she didn't even know if she had sex or not, much less if she was forced. If you were having consensual sex in a bar bathroom and had body guards there working for you, wouldn't you have them give you some privacy? If the previous case you are talking about was in Vegas (I believe), the girl had made previous accusations against rich/famous people in an attempt to get paid. The DA said that was another attempt. I can't argue the classless remark at all. He is by all accounts a spoiled brat scumbag and if he were to get !@#$ed in a bar bathroom by a couple guys when he was wasted I would shed no tears. It hurts me to take the side of a guy like PigBen. But man this guilty by accusation stuff really strikes a nerve with me.

He was convicted of raping someone? Wow, last I heard he had not been charged with anything. I need to read the news more I guess. I missed that one.

I hope Trent will have gotten better against them by the start of the regular season.

Security will tell you to stop but from what I have seen that's it. I have never seen or heard of anyone actually removed for smoking, has anyone else? Hell, most of the security guys probably smoke themselves ... and not in the designated area

If banned he would just come back under a different name. Not easy to ban someone from a public site if that person knows what they are doing at all. So you will always get !@#$s in public forums. It's a fact of online life. If someone doesn't have a thick enough skin to deal with that fact then then should leave, use the ignore feature (I assume that works here, I never tried though) or only join private forums that are in a more controlled environment.

Laws regulating personal conduct can be justified on three grounds, one of them being The Harm Principle. Which states that laws are justified if they prevent individuals from causing harm to others. In other words, the second hand smoke argument. How this applies to a open air smoking area at the Ralph, I don't know. But your constitutionality argument in general doesn't hold water. But more interesting (at least to me) is if it's wrong to ban cigarettes, then why isn't it just as wrong to ban other drugs, such as alcohol or marijuana. I know the reality is that they can't ban cigs because we have so many addicts already, but it is a interesting legal debate.

That would make for a amazing social experiment. But the people you wish to exclude make up a significant percentage of season ticket holders. The Bills could not even dream of doing something like that, even if they wanted to.

It it is upwind of me or particularly my kids, yeah. [How bored are we, talking about this ]

I'm typically not big on approaching drug addicts in a threatening/challenging manner thanks. No good can come from it. It's not like they are going to stop because of a sudden revelation that they are littering. Most simply don't care or they wouldn't be doing it in the first place. Out of the car window I do find interesting though. If you are a smoker you obviously don't care how gross it is. Why not put the butts in the car ashtray (not you specifically McClane, just a question in general)?

Well smokers aren't putting money in Ralphies pocket like the drunks (over) buying beers do. So to them banning smoking is irrelevant, alcohol not so much. I have no issues with having a smoking area outside somewhere away from me. Yeah, the disgusting smelling smokers by you is gross, but not a huge deal. But damn, isn't being degraded by being herded into some leper colony area enough to make you stop smoking, at least for the few hours you are inside the stadium? Geez I would sure think so.