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Nate Silver's ELO System: 16% chance of the Bills winning. (http://fivethirtyeig...ahawks-edition/) Microsoft's Cortana: 80% chance that NE* wins. (http://www.businessi...week-17-2014-12) CBS with spread (NE - 10.5): 7 take the Bills and 1 took the Pats* CBS straight up: 7 and the computer take the Pats* and 1 raving lunatic (LaCanfora) took the Bills. (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/features/writers/expert/picks/straight-up/17) ESPN straight up: 12 and the computer take the Pats* and 1 more raving lunatic (Mortensen) took the Bills. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks)

Personally I'd prefer a coach, and organization, that looks further ahead than one meaningless game. There is no benefit to starting Orton other than the very small chance of winning said meaningless game. Orton is well known, and does not need the additional experience. Manuel absolutely needs live reps. Unless, of course, the evaluation of Manuel has already been made by the Bills and they have no intention of him being the starting QB next season either.

So you want Pegula to hire Polian, and fire the head coach, OC AND a player all by Monday during the holiday season. You do realize that they make a decaf that is nearly as tasty as the real thing, don't you?

I am not looking at it from a evaluation perspective, because of course that would be ludicrous as you explained. I am looking at it as giving a young player in his 2nd year, who in theory has been in the classroom full time for the past 12 weeks, a little practical on-field time to apply some of what he has learned in the past 3 months. That's the benefit that I see. Given the fact that the Bills will not advance to the post season regardless of the outcome Sunday, what is the benefit of playing Orton to the future of the Bills organization?

I'm glad Cinci won. I greatly prefer the 1pm start. The Bills would not have beaten NE* in a game that mattered to them anyway.

No established coach will want to come to a team with no starting QB, and no 1st round draft pick in the upcoming draft to get one. Any large market team can pay what Pegula will pay.

Not fair? He has been not playing for quite a while now, presumably healthy, and assuming he has been doing more than sitting around and getting high the past few months learned something. If he hasn't learned quite a bit in the time he has been a benchwarmer then god help the Bills. Maybe Marrone doesn't start Manuel, but when the NE* defensive starters start getting pulled in the 2nd half there is no reason to play Orton other than Manuel is not ready, and will never be ready, to be a NFL starting QB.

Screen grab from rotoworld. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3214/kyle-orton

Spiller was hurt most of the season, and not an every down back even when healthy. I love Fred, but he is old, the other backs are rejects from other teams, and the offensive line is mediocre on a good day. That doesn't add up to a good running game.

Why would Orton opt out of his 5.4 mil contract? He is healthy and I cannot imagine anyone else signing him. Based on this quote from Marrone ... He apparently thinks Manuel sucks more.

The Bills are absolutely NOT a playoff caliber team. The offense is pathetic, and there is little hope of it getting much better this off season. The defense and special teams are playoff caliber, but everything on the offensive side of the ball from coaches to players, with the exception of a couple players, are not. How can you make a statement about the Bills being "there" with that offense, no QB, and no first round pick this draft?

Who he actually beat Sunday was an alleged top 5 defense. Who he beat in his other 2 wins are KC and SF. And winning 3 of their last 5 including what must have been a horrific outing against the Rams. He is also more of a pocket passer than a read-option style QB which has allowed him to remain healthy thus far. He also does not seem to have the offensive weapons that Manuel does, and certainly does not have the defense Manuel does to make up for his mistakes. I hope Manuel amounts to something because frankly, it would appear the Bills are stuck with him for a while at least. But like I said earlier, if the choice was mine, I'd swap Manuel for Carr in a millisecond.

All I care about is now the Bills play at 1 instead of 4 Sunday!

My answer is either over the steaming pile of dung the Bills have now at that position.

Exactly, in my opinion. Pegula is smart enough to realize what he doesn't know regarding professional football and will wait to hear from a consultant that he trusts before saying or doing much more than the PR stuff he has done to this point. People used to B word about how much Mr. Wilson "meddled", now those same people seem to want Mr. Pegula to do that same thing.

Yeah until Manuel is out again with damaged knees or something else. I just read through the last few pages at the arguments over which Bills QB sucks more, Orton or Manuel. And who/what is to blame for Manuel sucking, the Bills coaching staff, or Manuel's lack of ability. Truly depressing.

I don't know enough about Carr to say, but is there a reason you think he does not have a good head on his shoulders? As to some other comments, the "read option" big strong running QB types that had done well in college are starting to fall out of favor because that does not seem to translate well to the NFL in most cases. In my extremely non-professional opinion, we may well have seen Manuel's NFL ceiling, or close to it.

Come on Cinci!!!

I am certainly no QB evaluation expert. But I believe Carr managed to start all 15 games so far this season, got two quality wins plus beat the Bills who defensively at least are also a quality team, seemed to get better as the season went on, and was a 2nd round pick (meaning the Raiders got better value). Based on what I have seen so far, I would trade Manuel for Carr in a heartbeat.

If you think Luck is a loser, what is your opinion of Manuel and Orton. Or are you just trolling?

Maybe they were hoping to boost his trade value. If so, epic fail.

I have no problem with Marrone starting Manuel now to give him a little more experience, particularly if they still think Manuel has a chance of being a decent player. But what would be the reason for cutting Orton now? Like it or not (and I don't), Orton may end up being the best choice for the Bills at QB next season as well given the upcoming draft situation and probable free agents.

As bad as this season was for the Raiders, they did manage to come on in the end and beat 2 pretty good teams as well as the Bills. Plus their rookie QB really seems to have a lot of potential. Meanwhile the Bills have no QB and no 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. So does that mean Orton or Cutler next year (assuming Manuel doesn't suddenly amount to something)?

The Bills clearly have "IT". You just forgot the "SH".

Nostradamus!