CodeMonkey

if you think the zebras are confused now. Wait until you see them trying to figure out how to enforce 2 penalties with different yardage and down results. For example, what do you do on a fourth and 10 with a defensive PI 30 yards downfield and a offensive holding called. Do you give the offense first down even though they held? The majority of the current rules don't lend themselves to having multiples called. Also, what do you do if 4 are called on the same team concurrently, enforce all?

Congrats man! Was she wearing her Watkins jersey watching the game with you?

I hear Tebow is still available. Or maybe Pettine has had enough of Johnny Footballs bull **** with his latest escapade last week and will trade him

And the answer would be the same ... no!

Didn't the Bills give that up for Watkins as well?

Actually they need to learn to win the ones they should.

The Brooks hit was high and he lowered his head. The refs don't have the benefit of slow motion replays to see if there was head or neck contact. And in fact, contact to the opponents head or neck is not even required for a penalty. http://nflcommunicat...nseless-player/ Correct call in my opinion. The roughing call on Orton was not. They must have been confused by the fact that Brady wasn't in the game anymore

A draft that is not deep is one where you want first round picks so that you get at least the best of what is there. I love the rationalization of some in this thread. Yeah who needs #19 when we have #50! Beckham (assuming the Bills would have taken him) and #19 or Watkins ... Beckham and #19 hands down. Will Whaley's trade keep the Bills out of the playoffs another 15 years? Almost certainly not and Watkins is going to be a heck of a player from the looks of things. But a mistake is a mistake. Fortunately this one would not seem to have huge long term implications.

I didn't see Tom Terrific drop any F bombs on TV yesterday. In fact considering how bad he was playing, and how badly his receivers were playing, I thought he looked calm and not even pissed on the sidelines. If the Pats needed that game, he would have been acting like he was during the Pats-Broncos game. I didn't see any of that yesterday. I don't think the Pats laid down necessarily, but they certainly did not have any fire and obviously were not going to risk the playoffs to win that game either. Plus the hoodie got his rookie QB some valuable experience. Including using his timeouts to give the rook a chance to not only tie the game, but work the 2 minute drill as well.

Well, Manuel couldn't have put up any fewer points in the 2nd half than Orton did. The question is, could he have played as well as Orton did in the first half. Marrone obviously thought he could not. Also, I am in the camp that as soon as you are eliminated from the playoffs it should be considered next years pre-season. But I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.

Marrone wanted to have the first winning season in a decade. He figured the Pats would be playing scrubs for at least half the game and I suspect if the Bills would have put up some points in the 3rd and built a comfortable lead, he may have put Manuel in for the 4th, but we will probably never know. In terms of QB development it was short sighted, assuming Manuel is considered the "QB of the future". However if the Bills are still looking for a starting QB and are not at all sold on Manuel, then what Marrone did makes perfect sense. No one will remember it was a meaningless game to NE and the 2nd half was a Pats scrub-fest. All that will be remembered is that Marrone got the Bills a winning season. That is good for momentum for the team going into the off season, and looks great on Marrone's resume as well.

You can also say now that the Giants got better draft value.

I think Bills fans are happy Watkins is a Bill now. What people debate is the price paid. I agree with the bolded if the Bills have improved to relevancy or more in those 3 years. If they do not, Bills fans will put that trade under a even bigger microscope. And rightly so.

You are absurd if you really believe that bull ****. He absolutely will do what is best to help the Bills improve and become relevant, and more. Who gives a !@#$ if your "excitement" builds. It will build just fine with wins. Pegula, as a smart businessman, will get a good consultant, let the consultant evaluate the organization, then address the consultants recommendations. Your statement reeks of a clueless whining adolescent.

The same. Watkins is a good player and it is likely he will continue to get better, particularly if the Bills can find a QB. But that doesn't change the fact that the Bills could have gotten a WR in that draft that is nearly, if not completely, as good without overspending.

So Whaley gets credit for the defense but skates on the offense?

Both stay, at least one more season. Pegula is not a knee jerk kind of a guy. He won't make a move until his consultant evaluates the organization enough to make an intelligent recommendation, and unless he is pretty sure he can hire someone who would be an improvement. Pegula is a successful businessman and will not make a move just to appease some brain damaged fans who want blood without thinking things through.

Bills by 10 or more is leading the poll right now. I love Billievers

This is nothing new or cutting edge. Ask any poker player, the good ones have been reading players forever. It's also why a few football players, RBs in particular, like the dark visors. LBs can't see their eyes.

And if Manuel fixes his mechanics enough to be an accurate passer.

The Pats* cheating has nothing to do with any complex, inferiority or otherwise. I suspect it might have been more if the Pats* needed the game for home field advantage or something. But you typically don't see many spreads much higher than that.

As you said, the Pats* are a "superior division rival". You really think having Kyle Orton in gives the Bills a chance to win that game? If (and it's a BIG if) the Bills win that game, it will not be because of Orton. Hell, maybe Marrone put a bet down and thinks that if BellyCheat pulls his starters in the 2nd half that Orton can get it under the 10.5 spread.

That WR class was very deep. Any one of the top 3, and probably even more than that, would have made the Bills better. But no WR can do a lot without a QB that can get him the ball. The point being Whaley could have gotten a very good WR that would have helped the team without giving up an additional first round pick. In my opinion he grossly overpaid and that trade was a big mistake by Whaley.

This is how I feel as well. Not panic, he probably really believed (might well still) that Manuel has what it takes to be a good NFL QB. He did swing for the fences assuming he had a QB in place. Although I have felt all along that giving up the extra first for Watkins was foolish with such a good WR class, the real mistake (so far anyway) was EJ Manuel.

Well as I said, if the Bills have decided that Manuel will most likely not be the starter next year either then yes, they should start Orton.