Sisyphean Bills

Vince Young and Troy Smith had pro days...

When your plan is "dagummit, we have to do sumthin," a total bottoming out doesn't seem all that far fetched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC South Central Conference? Who knew? But you're supposed to still be riding that high from the Mario Williams signing.

Sounds like an anti-Dockery post. When Dockery became the highest paid Buffalo Bill ever, most people were gushing about he was already one of the best guards in the NFL and was going to be a Hall of Famer in short order.

Doesn't the Deadspin piece show, in spades, Buddy's aptitude with numbers? Overdorf does the contracts and has been doing them for a long time.

Hunh? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/156383-levitre-signs-with-titans/

QB and OG are 2 nice new holes to fill. It's OK, they only traded away 1 pick (edited) for the chance to have Tarvaris stand on the sidelines.

Who is "they"? The Tweedle twins?

Now they need a OG as well.

Overdorf.

It's always a good move to let your most versatile and least brittle guy walk away. http://www.nfl.com/n...o-fouryear-deal Vasquez signed Bushrod and Cherilus also off the market.

Speaking of Brad Smith, are they keeping him around to run the wildcat for 0.5 snaps a game still? $15M for that guy.

Actually, that's false. They either have to fly the guy in or someone out to take a look. So there is a real cost there as well as the cost in time and organizational attention taken away from getting other valuable work done. Frankly, I've never seen a business that simply on-site interviews every single person out there as part of their evaluation process on the premise "it costs nothing".

And the connection there is? They are both from states spelled with 4 letters? So the take-away from this thread is that if Troy Smith can reduce his mistakes by 75% and buy a can of ability to carry an NFL team without much of a supporting cast at Wegmans, he might be an average starter in Buffalo.

The Jauron corollary: It's easy to be mediocre in the NFL.

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Eh. It's about time for the Bills to draft another RB anyway...

George Edwards thinks he can.

I wouldn't call it simply "luck". Polian did have the opportunities, but it was also a key component of his plan to draft/find his franchise QB immediately and build the team around him. The Jaguars waited 9 years before drafting a QB in the 1st round. (Kelly was drafted the year before Polian got the job in Buffalo and went to the USFL; Collins had a rather mediocre, journeyman career.)

I never said or even meant to imply that the 25% turnover figure meant "average or above starters". That is obviously absurd (not to mention a slippery definition). Not doing the research on averages, but taking the Buffalo Bills. Dick Jauron changed 10-13 starters (I'll pass on the average or better angle) from his 08 to 09 teams depending on how you want to count. And that wasn't even a "rebuild" situation with a new front office and coaching staff. Another example: Seattle has only 3 starters left from before Pete Carroll took over, at the same time Buddy Nix came to Buffalo. Now, the league-wide average is less. Good teams that win have much less reason or inclination to wholesale change out all of their starters in this fashion. The good teams, as one would expect, have the least amount of overall turnover in quality starters all the way down to 3rd stringers. Every team makes changes.

The average NFL team turns over 25% of its roster a year. There are outliers, but most (87.5%) teams fall within a +/- 3 player range per year. So, an average team typically has 14 fresh new faces a year. Expecting half of them to be starters does seem pretty extreme. On the other hand, with 4 or 5 new starters a year, a team should be well down the road to being replaced in year 3 and all but entirely rebuilt (a better word might be reconstituted) in year 4.

LB problem solved!

Me either. However this is a case of action, not words. The fact that Buddy did not say it actually makes it more likely to be true.

Well, if the rookie QB looks like this guy: then 2-14 is not at all unlikely.

Gailey did make Rinehart the "starter" for a day or two a couple years back. It's pretty clear from the guys that Nix has added to the OL that he likes guys that can fill a phone booth.