Sisyphean Bills

They traded Peters before the draft. After the draft, they were asked why they didn't pick a LT and they said that they didn't need to, because they believed they already had the answer on their roster and they just wanted to go with their draft board as it was. So, they didn't draft Oher or anyone else because they felt that it was covered with what would become the Oakland Raiders RT.

To be clear, our front office sucks. Hope that clarifies.

He's our defensive "JP Losman" pick.

Does the coaching staff really deserve a pass for rubber stamping this stupidity?

Maybe it really is as simple as someone else pointed out. "Well, we didn't win it all by spending millions on a veteran OL." "Maybe the problem is having veterans." "Brilliant! Let's dump every one of them and go with inexperience. Brilliant!" <clink bottles together>

Where's Dan Snyder when you need him?

Cheap OL comes through there.

Leading the league in commercials...

But nobody else has given him a contract.

True. But, is that not sort of pathetic?

We are 4-12 in the last 16 games ... kicking ass and taking names.

Yes, I have heard of a blitz. How often do the Bills blitz? The facts are that we play the Tampa-2 defense as our base scheme and that scheme is designed around getting pressure from the front 4 and dropping 7 into zone coverage. Look it up if you don't believe it. I happen to agree that Maybin might be better off as an OLB in a 3-4. But, we don't run a 3-4. This is Buffalo. And, you are the one guessing that Maybin is "clearly a LB".

No, he didn't. He used his own assumptions about Shanahan's situation to say it was a "terrible example". He is making other assumptions about Runyan. In other words, based on his assumptions (and no evidence) about the different situations, he believes there is interest in an expensive coach that doesn't have a job and there is no interest in an expensive player that doesn't have a job. (Magox is pushing potential over performance.) Simple logic proves that this is faulty argument as I said above. You can't prove something from a negative. Nice try, but there are, like it or not, other reasons to explain the situation other than "he sucks". Really, the basis of your argument is that because a group of people may think something, then that must be true. Was the entire NFL right about James Harrison? Was everyone right when they passed over Tom Brady 5 or more times? The exact same argument was used on this board with Langston Walker and Walker was picked up by the Raiders a couple weeks ago. Does that mean the argument is a good one to you? Under this same argument, we must assume that Chris Draft is a superior will in the Tampa-2 defense to Derrick Brooks. All I have said all along is that I don't know why Runyan isn't playing in the NFL this year. He was an excellent player. I know he was injured. I know he says he is ready to go and his doctors cleared him to play. I know the Bills brought him in for a try out (so that pops the balloon that "no one" has any interest in him right there). So far, every team shopping for a RT has chosen to go in another direction. There are many plausible reasons and I have stated a few such numerous times already. The truth is that some people want to believe Runyan sucks (that he is neither injured nor that salary is any sort of an issue) so that they can suspend thought and simply believe that the Bills are making brilliant decisions. Because, if Runyan or some other player off the street was a immediate, huge upgrade to the Bills football team then that would show that the Bills have made another mistake. I happen to think the Bills have made mistakes and thus granting them a pass of infallibility is seriously suspect.

Well, let's see Mike Shanahan doesn't have a job in the NFL. Maybe he sucks and can't coach. Runyan was injured, may not be as healthy as he claims, and may not be willing to come back for what teams may be willing to offer. Derrick Brooks is unemployed. Marvin Harrison is unemployed. Over 100 guys in the NFL last year are out of the NFL this year. Who !@#$ing knows what 32 different front offices are thinking?

Toronto is about dipping a big NFL-logo'd ladle into Canadian corporate sponsorship.

SUPER BOWL!!!

Moving him to OLB in this defense would be ridiculous. We play the Tampa-2. The OLBs in the Tampa-2 need to be outstanding players in space and be able to play zone coverage. Maybin's talent is that he has a quick first step as a pass rusher. So there is a total disconnect in the player and scheme here. Why try to convert a guy that hasn't been successful in translating his pass rush from college to the pros to a position where he wouldn't use his pass rush ability at all but have to use phantom skills we have no idea if he even possesses? Maybin is, so far, nothing but the poster child of potential.

The Bills have paid average veteran OL like All-Pros to come play here. They have also paid veteran backups well to come here and play. In the former case, these investments turned out to be more poor decisions. Derrick Dockery not only wasn't an All-Pro, his play regressed from the average while he was here. But, the "hey we tried that and it didn't work" excuse is empty. Will all veteran lineman fail? Is any kid straight out of college always going to give your team a better chance to win than any veteran? Is experience worthless? Does crystal ball potential always trump actual accomplishments? Does saving as much money as you can on the OL give your team the best chance to win? If you answer all these questions 'Yes', then you probably would subscribe to the delusional "logic" that "hey we tried having some experienced veteran lineman before" so we don't need anyone with experience now. And, there you see through the marketing slogans. T.O. was brought to Buffalo to get the Bills into the playoffs, or so goes the marketing hot air. On the other hand, the OL doesn't sell tickets so they can pull a 180 degree turn and throw out all the experienced lineman and bring in all rookies, because "why overpay" when you're built to be an also-ran, toiling in mediocrity, getting ready for next year sort of franchise. Roll the rock up the hill for 6, 7, maybe 8 wins and kick off the next marketing campaign...

Here's a more positive one and for which the premises are less, shall we say, subjective. No team from Detroit has won a Super Bowl, and the Buffalo Bills are not from Detroit, thus the Buffalo Bills will win the Super Bowl.

Seems logical, doesn't it? (And, yes, I also believe it is a false premise, fwiw. It belongs in the same category as saying a coach is only as good as his QB.)

Affirmative conclusions from negative premises never get old. Here's another one. No team wins a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl, ergo Jeff Hostetler was a great QB.

He oozes potential, is better than Kirk "Sucks" Chambers, and Ray Brown likes the way he studies the playbook. Oh and the Bills can play cash-to-cap and save a buck or two. Seriously, the kid has a long ways to go to be average. He may get there someday, but until then we get to watch him contribute his number of mistakes to the general ineptness.

See post #17 in this thread.

Well, that's true. Can you see the Bills running an end around and expecting our LT to seal the end?

We hired a better proven loser. Our loser has gotten beat by their loser 3 times in a row and 4 out of 7 lifetime.