NickelCity

I think he'll go in the 1st.

Touché.

Doesn't look like the Bills.

Orton is absolutely good enough to take a team to the playoffs with a decent OLine, imo. Flame away.

Last year I said I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if the entire draft were OLine. Feel the same way this year. Obviously, I would prefer mostly OLine, with a QB and a CB or two thrown in.

I don't care, save for the notion that yet another franchise that's not us might find their QB, but I think Manziel could definitely succeed. Really going out on a limb with "could," i know. The kid can hit receivers down the field. Curious to see how he does.

OLine and Hackett/whomever is influencing him are the biggest things holding this team back by a mile. I hate going into seasons knowing what our downfall will be. We did that last year. If the OLine isn't fixed and Hackett et al isn't fired, we can just have this convo again next year.

Yep.

I'd like Orton to stick around another season while we try to bring in someone better. With a real offensive line, he can take us to the playoffs.

Yep. Football is dead and I am finally forced to admit it.

boom

+1

We should be drafting a QB annually in somewhere in the top 5 rounds. Also, my incessant ranting on the state of the OLine before the season began didn't light a fire under Whaley. Very disillusioned. Thought he might be perusing tsw. While I'd like to see them address OL, I'm scared at who they'll sign.

Couldn't agree more.

Frankly, I want to keep our players happiest right now. Going into free agency with a depressed roster is no good in my opinion. Trotting out Manuel would be disastrous.

Lament the Houston and KC games haha. But part of me will get my hopes up...sigh

Orton was far from the biggest problem yesterday.

I'm fairly happy with Orton. Brown and McKelvin's fumbles were rough. The redzone playcalling left a lot to be desired.

I can't stand hackett but he was mostly fine today. Needed to run more late in the game and give ourselves easier 3rd downs.

When I said they were up and coming before this season I got laughed out of the damn building.

Kyle OrtIN

Man we GOTTA have this game! Time to show if we're legitimate or not.

Dang. I like your optimism.

Well, Vlade tried to make it sound like he didn't care, which I have to imagine was strategic. Saying things like "people back home started fighting" to explain a hostile serbian occupation of croatian soil - things to that effect. He generally whitewashed and gave recollections that were entirely misleading. Unless someone understands the conflict at a certain level, his comments appear totally innocuous - that's what was so infuriating. A counterbalance would have nipped that in the bud very quick.

I've been looking at your post trying to think how I can answer it concisely. The details of that conflict were so intricate that I don't want to go on and on. While I'm certainly no historian, I've done considerable study on the subject during my academic career and lived in the Balkans. "Once Brothers," largely due to the inconceivable structure of giving an open and uncontested mic to Vlade Divac, views like a piece of Serbian propaganda.... ...I just deleted a whole bunch because it really is a rabbit hole. But giving an open and uncontested microphone to a nationalist about his feelings over the balkan conflict, and about a former friendship that disintegrated due to his own behaviors, was shockingly poor documentary design. The fact that everyone who knew Drazen was well aware that his best friend was Stojko Vrankovic (also an NBA player), and that Stojko was for some reason not the logical counterbalance for Vlade, is really bizarre.