billykay

Agree with this. But, just wondering - how does Cleveland know that we won't take their guy, Allen ? Would it be possible, as part of the trade, that we agree to take Darnold, and if so, is it enforceable ? Could the agreement be somehow recorded in the League Office ?

Yep. This should be the Bills' position. Have his agent , if he still has one, try & negotiate a trade. If the agent is able to do that, then the Bills have another option.

Ya know - 6'3 & 213 lbs is not skinny. 6'3 & 213 lbs is ripped. He would also be the fastest guy on our team. And, like you say, he can easily add 7 or 8 lbs. I would prefer a trade up but I would be very satisfied with Lamar at #12.

It depends on where they wind up.

funny!

IMO, he will be playing for the Bills this year.

Murphy is one of the brightest guys around.

Agreed. I would use our draft capital for Darnold & sit him for a while. If for some reason we can't move up, I would be very happy with Lamar. I know that most on this board just see another TT, but I think he will turn out to be the big positive surprise this draft. It is all academic because imo Beane is going up this draft with Pegula's blessing.

But someone could move up to 5 to take a QB.

I agree. The kid has played QB since grade school. It would take him all of one practice to relearn the position from under center. Of course to become proficient, he would need repetitions. I think that not playing under center is one of the least important minuses when they evaluate QBs.

It may have been his second season, but it was still his first few games that we are talking about. They won two of those games and would have probably won the Playoff game had not his RB fumbled while trying to use clock near the end of the game. From what I remember, the Pittsburgh pass rush was all over him the whole game. Tough position for a kid in his first playoff game. No need to be snarky re: my mentioning of Peyton Manning. I was just trying to show an analagous situation regarding even future Hall of Fame QBs. Of course, I thing that you knew that.

A young kid playing in his first four games, one being a playoff game. Probably not much worse than Peyton's first four games. We shall see.

Hold your thumb and index finger about two inches apart. That is what we are talking about. Yeah, 6'4 would be better, but 6' 1 is big enough.

I think he was kidding.

Would it be possible to make the 2019 picks conditional on his signing ??

With Denver losing a draft pick, perhaps they would be more amenable to a trade down to #12. Just saying.

Lets say we move to #2. Does anyone think that it would be a good trade for us to move back to #3, especially if it seems that the Jets are panicking that they won't be getting their man? I think that we could wind up this way with our QB, perhaps Mayfield or Rosen, plus getting back some of the draft assets we lost in moving up to #2.

You're right. The Bills have to decide if one of these QB's is "their guy". If he is, then they will do what ever it takes to move up & grab him. If they aren't sold on anyone in particular, with the signing of McCarron, they now have the ability to either remain at #12 or do a mini trade up to get their 2nd thru 4th choice. It all depends if they view one of these guys as a can't miss NFL QB. Beane is too smart to waste all of his draft capital on a QB that he & his scouts deem "iffy".

He may very well be average. Darnold & Rosen, etc. may also be average. We really don't know for sure now, do we ?

I guess it is how you want to look at it. I look at it as a swap of 1sts, and the price to swap up is the 3- 2nds.

3 - 2nds for their guy. Doesn't seem like a heck of a lot to me.

Relax Tipster. I am also in Ft. Myers. Hope to bump into you here.

When did he EVER stink?

Perhaps you are right - he is nothing to get excited over. However, remember the Steeler playoff game. In the face of a good pass rush, he made plays , was confident, and except for a team members fumble, would have won the playoff game as a decided underdog. The kid just looks like a winner to me. We shall see.

He was a very good college QB. When he got to start with the Bengals, he played well. I prefer to move up a little & get our QB, but McCarron will be a fine QB for someone.