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dubs

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  1. Informed may not be the right word. There was reasoning behind the decision I'm sure. I would say the reasoning was flawed, big time. Also, training camp heroes don't necessarily make good nfl players. Hogan proved that pretty quickly.
  2. Rogers was cut along with a few other players during a round of cuts in training camp. If he did any of those things, he would be cut on the spot. The staff wouldn't wait to cut him.
  3. It gets pretty frustrating. I actually like Marrone, Whaley and most of the coaching staff. I think they made a pretty easy mistake to make. I get what they were trying to do, send a message. It's like they saw Invincible and thought Chris Hogan was Vince Papale (sp?) or something. I can't really crucify them for this mistake. But make no mistake, it was a mistake. Even if Rogers never catches another ball in the NFL, because you have a guy with that talent and you give it some time to see how it plays out. ha. thanks, we see eye to eye on this!
  4. I don't understand how people don't understand the risk/reward concept and apply it here. Keeping Da"rick Rogers on a team that needs exactly what he has the potential to be, on a team that wasn't winning anything this year, in the hopes that he develops and becomes a great receiver is the very DEFINITION of low risk potential/high reward potential. If the kid made the team and really did something to screw up or showed that there is no way he was going to 'get it' here in Buffalo, then guess what. CUT HIM and sign Chris Hogan or any of the other dozens of Chris Hogan type receivers that you can open your window and spit on in the NFL.
  5. If you're Aunt had a **** she'd be you're uncle. In other words, it doesn't matter.
  6. Again, you may be right or you may be wrong. I'm saying that your opinion is based totally on speculation. Basically saying that Marrone and co had to have cut him because of X, Y, and Z. There's just no evidence to support that then the cut itself. It's equally speculative to say teams including buffalo have to much of a short term view of things and not enough patience with players that need time to develop. Both points are simply guesses. What we do know based on observations is that: 1) buffalo lacks a big, physical receiver 2) we had a guy that could potentially fill that role 3) we cut him 4) he's developing nicely in Indy as evidence by his increase in playing time and incredible clutch catch he made in a playoff game.
  7. I just want to applaud NoSaint and Kirby Jackson for being totally on point and 100% correct in their assessment of the Da'Rick situation and the Bills mistake. You guys are a beacon of hope in this raging blizzard. Good work. GG, I'm sure you're a great guy but your arguments are based almost totally on speculation. You may be in fact correct, but buffalo's glaring deficiency at wr, lack of production from hogan and Easley, and Rogers progress in the colts organization say otherwise.
  8. Ok, enough with the false choices and hyperbole. I don't think anyone is suggesting we had a choice between Hughes or Rogers. At one point we had and still could have both. Stevie is a good, solid, receiver. I don't think that's really being debated. Sometimes these things go off the rails, but again, did and still should have both Stevie and Da'Rick on the roster. Where are you getting this information that DR is addicted to weed and lazy? Honestly? Other than things he did years ago, there hasn't been any mention of him being a pothead or lazy.
  9. I really don't think so. New England is terrible. They can beat bad teams and mediocre teams, but will get stomped by Denver in Denver. If by some miracle they make it to the Super Bowl, look at the bright side…it's another Super Bowl loss on the Patriots and Brady's resume.
  10. ugh…i probably need to stop coming to this topic. Every time I come back I get more disappointed with the decision. I was out during the game and just remember thinking, "what a catch!". I didn't even realize it was THIS good. Kid can ball, plain and simple.
  11. This is so perfect. Makes me sick.
  12. Another way to think about it is how the 8 teams left in the playoffs have players that fill that big, physical role. I think we are all in agreement that it's been lacking on the Bills for quite some time. I like the receivers Buffalo has, but the corps is incomplete without a guy that can help his QB out by making 50/50 balls, 80/20 balls. Denver: Loaded. D. Thomas, E. Decker, J. Thomas NE: Gronk (out now, but they have a guy that fills the role) SD: Gates, Ladarius Green Indy: Not much (which is probably a big reason why they are taking a chance on The Rick) Seattle: actually not much. Carolina: Olsen (eh..), 49ers: Boldin, Davis NO: Graham So, the point is that most of the teams left in the playoffs have a player that fills that role. Indy, which doesn't, smartly signed Rogers to perhaps fill that role one day. It's a fair point. I don't know if that pertains to Rogers though. I've never read anything or heard anything other than speculation about his work ethic. We've all heard speculation from vested parties. Speculation from the Buffalo side that he's not a hard worker, from the Colts side that he's an extremely hard worker and a very smart football mind. Not surprisingly, those are incongruent points. Buffalo cut him and the Colts have him playing in playoff games. All I can form my opinion on is what I see and what I'd consider reliable information. I see a big, physical, young receiver making contributions to a playoff team. I see a void in Buffalo. To me, that equates to a mistake we made.
  13. The only explanation that people are STILL defending the decision to cut Rogers has to be that they are so dug in on that position. Too much so to admit that they are wrong. As homey said, this is all about roster management, not Da'rick per se. The Bills made a very shrewd move in signing him prior to TC. His skill set filled a role that hasn't been filled on this team since Eric Moulds (although SJ made a physical reception 2 years ago against KC). They brought him in knowing that he was was a work in progress on a team that wasn't going to truly compete this year, so in other words setting up the team for '14 and '15 and beyond. Instead, they cut him and didn't try to sign him to the PS. Then Indy picks him up and stashes him on the PS, twice! Moved him up to the team because of injuries and Rogers fills in nicely. He's obviously not a number one receiver for them, but in limited action makes about 15 catches and a couple TDs. Then in the playoff game makes an outstanding, physical catch. The point is, Indy had enough foresight and patience to say, "this kid has great tools and needs some time to develop. Let's give that to him, give him a chance. If he matures and learns how to be a pro, its a huge win. If not, we cut him and lose nothing". I like Marrone, Whaley, and where this team is going, but it was a mistake, plain and simple.
  14. Seriously? I thought that was a joke for sure. I guess one physical play by a WR every two years is good enough.
  15. When was the last time anyone on the bills made a physical play like that? T.O.? Moulds?
  16. I agree with both of your observations of American society. Spot on! As far as Rogers though, I just think the FO effed that one up. I said that the day he got cut. The catch he made in yesterday's playoff game is why I thought they needed to take a chance. I still have confidence in Marrone and Co. Like what they are doing. They just screwed this one up big time. IMHO of course.
  17. I have no firsthand knowledge if what went on. But if I was building a team and needed a big, physical receiver for the franchise and saw the potential in Rogers, just before the final cuts, here's what I'd do: I'd bring him in and say. Kid, look, you've got a lof of talent and I know you've had some trouble in your past. But you're in the NFL now and teams aren't going to have much patience. I'm giving you one chance to show me you belong here. You need to work you arse off. Watch Kyle Williams and how he works. You emulate that and stay out of trouble and maybe you'll make it off the PS. I see you dogging it for one minute and you're gone. On the spot. Capice?
  18. I don't think anything you do with the 6th WR or practice squad guy is going to send a message to veterans or highly touted rookies.
  19. It's honestly not even a debate. This should be a one page thread. Cutting Rogers was a mistake. Period. End of story. You don't cut guys with that kind of talent without giving him some time to grow into it. I like Marrone and the FO, but they made a mistake there. Sucks, but what's done is done.
  20. Levitre is long gone so it really doesn't matter. But, it's a 50/50 move. Both sides of the argument made sense. He wasn't worth that much money and we didn't find a good replacement. Grade B-/C
  21. Agree with NoSaint and K-9. It's gotta be a real stud at 9. DO NOT TRADE UP. If there is a guy at 9 that the FO thinks is a can't miss QB, then I'd be ok with taking him. The fact that they would do it two years in a row would tell me all I need to know, that they have little faith in EJ and lots of faith in the drafted player.
  22. I think they have a 62.7% chance of getting us in the playoffs. This offseason is going to be critical. I think there was enough good signs in year 1 for optimism, but obviously not enough to do it the same way and expect better results.
  23. haha…good stuff. welcome aboard.
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