chris heff

Jury still out, but okay.

That is true, I guess my point was it is hard to transition from one good QB to another. There is some luck involved, one has to come available in free agency, or available in the draft. Here’s another exercise. Go through every franchise and come up with great and good QBs. The Bills, Kelly great, Kemp and Ferguson were good. I think Josh will be great, but I’m a well known homer.

My point exactly, any season there is not 32 guys on the planet that can be good let alone great franchise QBs in the NFL. It is hard to fill that position.

What I was getting at, was transitioning from a QB that has had a long history of success with a franchise, to a new good to great QB. The Pats troll was making the case that replacing Brady and being competitive in playoffs was going to be no big deal because the team and coach are so good. Chargers had given up on Brees. Cowboys verdict is still out, they moved on from Romo, but even before injury they seemed reluctant to pay Prescott. Chiefs traded up for Mahomes, they didn’t view Smith as long term option. Ravens is a yes.

About 180 miles west Delray Beach FL

Nice day down here isn’t it?

That’s true but do you think the Patriots have all the other pieces? The troll seemed to think either the did or one draft and one free agency could solve everything.

If we add Romo to Prescott and all of Ethan’s we have only come up with 13 or 14 times in about 70 years where there has been good QB succession. That is not a lot considering the number of franchises. The Patriots fan didn’t consider Cam to be a “bridge” because even he had come to realization that Cam is done.

Seattle okay Dallas I went back and added Cinci, yup Altanta maybe? Vikings maybe? Chiefs, no there is a bunch of okay guys there. If you go down that road you have to start adding Colts, Unitas to Domres, to Jones.

Firstly, my God you are handsome! Isn’t Cam “bridge QB” number one?

I agree, I was being nice.

Last week a Patriot fan trolling this site wrote that Patriots don’t need much to get back to being contenders, because of great coaching staff, organization, and players returning that opted out. With up coming draft and free agency all they heed to do is find QB of the future and, or, as he put it a “bridge QB”. Not to mention some WRs and TEs. This got me thinking, how often do teams go either directly, or quickly from one great or even good QB to another? I’m sure I’m missing a few so help me out. Packers twice, don’t remember Tobin Rote, but they went from him to Bart Starr. Then the obvious, Favre to Rogers. Raiders went from Lamonica to Stabler and then fairly quickly to Plunkett. Niners (another obvious one), Montana to Young. Patriots, Bledsoe to Brady. Colts Payton Manning to Andrew Luck. That’s all I can think of and that’s not many and that covers about 70 years. Doesn’t appear to be easy. Forgot this one a bit marginal, but Cowboys went fro Meredith to Morton to Staubach.

QBs bridge or not are not that easy to find. If they were everyone would do it. The Bill O’Brien story isn’t defined by his record it is defined by his ego. He thought his teams won because of him, he traded arguably the best WR in football for a box of tape. It is mind boggling in its arrogant stupidity. The Cleveland franchise for which Belichick worked moved to Baltmore in 1996 one year after Belichick was fired. John Harbaugh is a pretty good coach. Their former GM, Ozzie Newsome was inducted to the hall as a player and may very well be inducted a second time as GM.

Well that should be easy then with free agency and the draft coming up. Even though there are not 32 people on the planet that can be a good QB in the NFL, they should have no trouble finding one. I’ve watched most of Patriots games this year that WR group is a mediocre bunch, maybe with great QB play they would be adequate. They still have no TEs. You don’t solve all that in one draft and one free agency. I mentioned the coaching tree. Bill O’Brien got fired because he thinks he is Belichick, he is not, getting fired is not success. Flores may turn out to be a good coach, but that remains to be seen. Saban worked for Belichick in Cleveland, both got fired. Saban himself said his four years working for Belichick were the worst of his life. Saban was a disaster has a head coach in the NFL, great college coach. It is a different skill set. This discussion is about the NFL. There is not one guy from Belichick coaching tree that has gone on to a successful NFL head coaching career.

Can either of those guys play QB or WR? Patriots scored three points last night.

And there in lies the problem. The Patriots organization is Bill Belichick and he is a micromanager. He is the General Manager, head coach, defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator. The moment he retires the franchise is gutted. Is Josh McDaniels the heir apparent? What has he ever done? The Belichick coaching tree is artificial. Has anyone from that tree had success as a head coach? And don’t mistake Kraft for any of the Rooneys. Belichick will go sooner rather than later, and when he does the rebuilding will be long and arduous.

I can never get past this, he interfered with Jacoby Jones on that return and then laughed about. He’s a monumental jerk.

Well I guess it’s not unusual.

And yet there was the commentators talking about how Saleh was HC material. This while his defense was getting gashed.

I think we are all so used to thinks going badly we expect it. This team is different.

Benny Russell is as obscure as it gets. If you Google “Ben Russell football” you get links to stories about Benjamin Russel High in Alabama. Named after different Ben Russell.

I recognize every name those lists but Ben Russell.

I was at that game, my father had season tickets. He’d long given up on that team. Other than that game, that team was awful. Is that the year that Ed Rutkowski ended the season as the QB?

My wife has pointed this out on more than one occasion. Before the start of yesterday’s game she asked me how long it would take Romo to say Brady and teammates just weren’t in sync yet.