chris heff

Subjective opinion, one pick was tipped, one was on Manuel, one the receiver gave up on the route. One fumble on Manuel, one in the NFL is a penalty and a fine. You have missed the point Badol believes he is objective. My point is exclusive of just facts objectivity is impossible. You and I both watch the same game and draw different conclusions. Are you right? Am I? Only physics is objective.

Your response is based on your observations not fact. Which by definition makes it subjective. The statistic in the "bio"as you put it are the facts. This many games were won, this many bowl games, this many yards, and so on, those are the facts. You watched games , made observations and reached conclusions. My conclusions differ. Which would also make them subjective. I live in Florida and I also watched his games. I know a number of FSU fans and alumni and the majority would disagree with your conclusion. Manuel's time at FSU was spent in a rebuilding program. After Bowden's "retirement" the program had to be rebuilt. The talent around Manuel was not anywhere close to what is there today. The Oline was bad the receivers were not good and the RB were not remotely as good as the current group. Objectivity is both a metaphysical and an epistemological concept. Whether human beings can be objective is a philosophical and sociological debate that has gone on for thousands of years. I could bore everyone with examples of what was perceived as objectivity but was not. Human objectivity is an oxymoron. If you were just given the statistical facts of Manuel's career, not knowing who or what team, would you conclude that it was a successful career? You watched the games, I watched the games and we reached different conclusions. I am assuming that you as I reached your conclusion on Manuel before the draft. Does that make you objective and me subjective?

"Manuel led the Seminoles to a 12-win season for just the third time in program history and the first time since their dominant stretch in the 1990s. During his senior season, he threw for the second most yards in team history with 3,392, trailing only Chris Weinke's Heisman Trophy winning season, in which Weinke threw for 4,167 yards. Manuel went 25-6 as a starter, won the first BCS bowl for Florida State since 2000, won five out of six games against intrastate rivals Miami and Florida, and he also led the offense to its most prolific season in team history, cleanly surpassing the 1999 National Championship squad with 6,591 yards." How exactly did you objectively arrive at the conclusion that this is "far from dominant"?

In fifty years this is the first time I've heard this one. I recall that Ralph was angry with Al Davis for decades for trading an over the hill (Art Powell ), and an injured player (Tom Flores) for Lamonica. The story was that Ralph had bailed out the Raiders and then they cheated him. The $400k loan would have been to the original owner not Davis. I wonder if it had been paid back by the time that trade happened? That trade happened in 1967, after the merger. It seams to me it would have had to have been paid back.

Briging a team into the NFL named the Redblacks could be problematic.

Bruce Arians coached that team for most of the year and no offense to Chuck Pagano, but Arians may turn out to be a better head coach. Still a rookie coach and QB.

Last year and the year before that and the year before that and on and on, the Bills stunk. I don't think they stink now. The defense is a few players away from being very good and have been fun to watch. The offense needs better coaching, better play calling, an o lineman or two, but they are much better at skill positions. They remind me of the 87 team.

Bills next owner?

This is the most press the Bills have received in more than a decade.

Okay, now I see what it is.

It was the 16th pick, but accuracy isn't that important. I don't understand what this is? What is the first game second game stuff?

It'll be wild in the streets if he buys the Bills! Sorry couldn't resist. Fast forward ten years. The Buffalo Bills of the Bon Jovi era have been marked by every version of the team being just like the previous one.

I think the humor is there, it's the medium that is the challenge. If you could take the spirit and translate it to cartoon form I think you would have something.

The size of offensive linemen? This may now rate as the most esoteric thread to date.

I agree and just before the draft I read an article that said the best place to take a QB, if you believe he can be the guy, is the middle of the first round. You won't over pay and if your right you have an option for a fifth year.

Haven't the Ravens had O line problems for the last few years? Should we be excited about one of their PS guys?

I don't know if this counts, but a few years ago after we had been hit by a couple of hurricanes, I finally got a hurricane shutter company to show up. The guys van had a Dolphins logo on it, which is ok. I went upstairs and saw that on the vans roof was the Bills logo and the word "sucks". I told him I wasn't doing business with him and why.

One name, Booth Lustig.

I'm sorry we're you saying something?

I was not criticizing, I was apologizing, and I'm sorry that you feel I used my 1,000th post improperly.

Clemson a 14 point lead in the third. Then it was all FSU.

I would like to apologize on behalf of Gugny for his over use of spacing key.

Belichick looks like a crazy man.

I love watching New England lose.

Bills need to win some playoff games and have a top five D for Pettine to get serious attention.